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It is PA7, and seller was Aoshida Audio (I think). They never clarified with 2 yr warranty and I know they he has now already invested in another brand monoblock pair.
I will forward this conversation to him if he is willing to go for repair under warranty (but I doubt).
Anyways, thanks.
In this case if it's PA7 it may be worth it for us to investigate the issue and we can pay for the shipping both directions. Or your friend doesn't want that unit anymore we can straight up buy that unit from your friend that should work too.
 
Well that's a huge known issue and that's not going to be solved for some time.(we are trying to prevent that issue for our Professional line) I am not necessarily blaming. But just stating the cause and giving recommendation. The recommendation is to buy from APOS, audiophonics, addicted to audio. It would be a bad response if there's no solution.
I think this information needs to be published in Topping website and/or product pages.

These products aren’t available on most common stores here (like best buy etc) and so another 1st trusted option seems to be Amazon with their 30 day easy return policy.
If Amazon sellers aren’t legit or can’t be trusted then it would an issue for major chunk.
 
I think this information needs to be published in Topping website and/or product pages.

These products aren’t available on most common stores here (like best buy etc) and so another 1st trusted option seems to be Amazon with their 30 day easy return policy.
If Amazon sellers aren’t legit or can’t be trusted then it would an issue for major chunk.
I'll ask for the Amazon situation and come back for another reply. As far as I know there are two types of stores on Amazon.
 
In this case if it's PA7 it may be worth it for us to investigate the issue and we can pay for the shipping both directions. Or your friend doesn't want that unit anymore we can straight up buy that unit from your friend that should work too.
Good deal, I will forward the conversation to owner. I think he was looking to try a local repair shop in Atlanta about 2-3 weeks back but I don’t know for sure.
Your offer and help is very generous and appreciated, I wish if this could be known last month when we got the issue.
 
Good deal, I will forward the conversation to owner. I think he was looking to try a local repair shop in Atlanta about 2-3 weeks back but I don’t know for sure.
Your offer and help is very generous and appreciated, I wish if this could be known last month when we got the issue.
On Amazon, those that shows 'fulfillment by Amazon' are preferred. But still local resellers are recommended.
 
That issue was solved last year. Every new unit should not have that problem.
Starting on which date? Is there a serial number threshold or some other way of knowing if a used unit is part of the bad batch?
 
@JohnYang1997 part of the issue for Americanized and Euro people is they blame the manufacturer for not keeping their accounts in-line. The manufacturer is the source. For the manufacturer to blame game appears shady. I'm just telling you how it appears to some people. :D
Possibly - but I don't understand how people expect to buy from a reseller based in China who doesn't have any local support facilities, and expect to get the same service as if they buy from a local reseller.

As a minimum, they are going to have to return problematic units at their own cost, and this is often prohibitive compared to the new cost of the unit.

Lets face it - the reason people buy from Chinese resellers is to get a lower price. Well, what they are not buying for that price is the possibility of local service and support.
 
Well that's a huge known issue and that's not going to be solved for some time.(we are trying to prevent that issue for our Professional line) I am not necessarily blaming. But just stating the cause and giving recommendation. The recommendation is to buy from APOS, audiophonics, addicted to audio. It would be a bad response if there's no solution.

The issue in Aus, USA, Europe is people see the product cheaper if they order from a Chinese reseller....but then expect local seller service and support...
 
Lets face it - the reason people buy from Chinese resellers is to get a lower price. Well, what they are not buying for that price is the possibility of local service and support.
Well, not everyone lives in EU, US or Australia. For many people importing from china is the only viable option.
 
Issue happens when you buy from resellers that are located in China. I know every time someone contact our service email regarding these issues. It's very not often people come to us for these issues. So it's almost always the issue of the resellers (happened a lot) not giving satisfactory service. As far as I know local resellers like Apos, audiophonics, addicted to audio have very good service overall.
The problem in the USA is that Amazon features SHENZHENAUDIO as the primary seller when we search for TOPPING products.

And nearly 99.9% of the people in the USA do NOT KNOW that they are about the get screwed. They think they are buying a TOPPING product via Amazon. Period. This issue of only later finding out we need to ship it to China (at OUR EXPENSE) reflects very badly on TOPPING.

You are the only product line that I purchase from Amazon with that issue. Over and over and over, only TOPPING.

As the manufacture, please either figure out how to stop having having Amazon in the USA present SHENZHENAUDIO as the seller of your products in this country. Or have Amazon put in a HUGE DISCLAIMER in the text description for every one of your products warning that all warranty must be mailed to China at customer's own expense unless the customer purchases the product from one of the authorized USA retailers (and list who those are). Or please OWN UP to your issue by taking responsibility to fix YOUR PRODUCT here in the USA (and in Europe) regardless of which of YOUR DISTRIBUTORS we purchase from.

Sorry, but this is your issue. And your customers are getting very unhappy. As an owner of a D90, an E30, an A30 Pro, and two D10Bs, I will now only purchase your products that are below $125 USD. Too many bad stories of product issues for me to risk another gamble on an expensive D90-class device if I face the risk of postage to China for repair.

(@TOPPING)
 
The issue in Aus, USA, Europe is people see the product cheaper if they order from a Chinese reseller....but then expect local seller service and support...
That may be true in some cases. But from my experience, the prices for SHENZHENAUDIO, APOS, and HiFi college are generally exactly the same. But take a guess which of those three is used by Amazon when I click "Add to Cart" from the TOPPING product page.
 
That may be true in some cases. But from my experience, the prices for SHENZHENAUDIO, APOS, and HiFi college are generally exactly the same. But take a guess which of those three is used by Amazon when I click "Add to Cart" from the TOPPING product page.
I really have to concentrate when buying via Amazon. I think they could make the source a great deal clearer. Sometimes I would rather pay the higher price for more local distribution and support, but Amazon seems to make that the least favoured option; all other choices requiring many clicks.

I don't think this is the manufacturer's fault though.
 
As the manufacture, please either figure out how to stop having having Amazon in the USA present SHENZHENAUDIO as the seller of your products in this country. Or have Amazon put in a HUGE DISCLAIMER in the text description for every one of your products warning that all warranty must be mailed to China at customer's own expense unless the customer purchases the product from one of the authorized USA retailers (and list who those are).
You seriously overestimate the level of control manufacturers have over Amazon's dubious business practices. And this is on the benign end of the scale - like one recent example:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...-amazon-ruined-a-family-business-report-says/
 
Agreed to what you said, but here is my view as a common buyer in US.

Possibly - but I don't understand how people expect to buy from a reseller based in China who doesn't have any local support facilities, and expect to get the same service as if they buy from a local reseller.
Most of the stuff is made in China, and normally you would expect local services... or al least in US.
Example: Hisense, TCL - There aren't established brands like Sony/LG/Sansung etc., made in China, sell most of their stuff on Amazon or other ePlatforms but still provide local support and services even though they don't have service centers. Most of their support staff is contracted local technicians.

As a minimum, they are going to have to return problematic units at their own cost, and this is often prohibitive compared to the new cost of the unit.
Seller needs to publish this clearly, and then it would be interesting the results.

Lets face it - the reason people buy from Chinese resellers is to get a lower price. Well, what they are not buying for that price is the possibility of local service and support.
Not everyone knows the full picture before buying unless it is clearly said on product or sales post.

I am not saying there aren't informed buyers, all I am saying is that not every common buyer is an informed buyer unless informed.
I would put liability on Seller more than a buyer, might be seen as biased because I am a buyer after all.
 
I am not saying there aren't informed buyers, all I am saying is that not every common buyer is an informed buyer unless informed.
I would put liability on Seller more than a buyer, might be seen as biased because I am a buyer after all.
Note that the Seller here isn't Topping. I'd put the blame on Amazon as they're in a position to enforce minimum service levels for sellers using their service, to draw attention to the difference you're likely to receive between local and international sellers, or otherwise help buyers to pick a seller with friendly warranty terms. Instead they deny responsibility (legally correct - caveat emptor) and do their best to obscure the differences between sellers. eBay at least let you list only sellers in your country or region, even if there are problems with transient companies with fake addresses.
 
Note that the Seller here isn't Topping. I'd put the blame on Amazon as they're in a position to enforce minimum service levels for sellers using their service, to draw attention to the difference you're likely to receive between local and international sellers, or otherwise help buyers to pick a seller with friendly warranty terms. Instead they deny responsibility (legally correct - caveat emptor) and do their best to obscure the differences between sellers. eBay at least let you list only sellers in your country or region, even if there are problems with transient companies with fake addresses.

Noted... thanks
 
Note that the Seller here isn't Topping. I'd put the blame on Amazon as they're in a position to enforce minimum service levels for sellers using their service, to draw attention to the difference you're likely to receive between local and international sellers, or otherwise help buyers to pick a seller with friendly warranty terms. Instead they deny responsibility (legally correct - caveat emptor) and do their best to obscure the differences between sellers. eBay at least let you list only sellers in your country or region, even if there are problems with transient companies with fake addresses.
The manufacture sets the terms for their authorized distributors.
 
I really have to concentrate when buying via Amazon.
Even paying attention, how is the average consumer (who has not read in detail on ASR) even supposed to know that the primary vendor presented by Amazon in USA is the wrong choice? That if their purchase is fulfilled by SHENZHENAUDIO, they will have to return to China; but if their purchase is fulfilled by Apos, they can get it fixed in USA — even though both have the product shipped from China?
 
Even paying attention, how is the average consumer (who has not read in detail on ASR) even supposed to know that the primary vendor presented by Amazon in USA is the wrong choice? That if their purchase is fulfilled by SHENZHENAUDIO, they will have to return to China; but if their purchase is fulfilled by Apos, they can get it fixed in USA — even though both have the product shipped from China?
You are correct. I'm not sure that the average consumer is fully aware of the choices Amazon is offering them. However, a useful heuristic is that the cheapest offer (and perhaps the first offering) does NOT have local support and is a direct import. A second heuristic is the delay on delivery - if it's a few weeks, it's probably in a container on a ship.
 
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