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Whatever the original purpose of ASR, it has (I think unwittingly) become a marketing influencer, and is actively ridden by wave-surfers to sell product.
Don't worry: the sales model is still intact: then, now and always: good reviews in the right places shift boxes.

That being the wave-surfers' model. It's not an indictment of ASR.


One of the stated purposes of ASR is to deflate the hot air surrounding pumped-up claims justifying inflated prices. However, it's often admitted that there's little or no audible difference between quite wide-ranging technical metrics. Why, then, are people rushing to buy the handful of top-rated products in favour of the audibly-identical second-tier ones? It's not meaningfully about 'performance'.

Because that's what (some) people do: they crave the numerical best. Again, not an indictment of ASR.

Having said that, of course - it goes without saying - well designed equipment has intrinsic value. ASR has offered accurate, consistent evaluation of equipment on a previously unseen scale, and the world's a better place for it. It's also become a market-shaper with an opinion, with all the usual attendant pros and cons.

Oh dear. Is there evidence that such vast power [sic] has gone to Amir's head?

Take AsciLab: no question they're good speakers. The ingredients are good – we've been using them ourselves. The implementation is nice. I ike where they're headed. The price is not crazy when you factor in reseller margins and suchlike necessary evils. Will everyone think they 'perform' well? Probably not. Unfortunately, most buyers don't favour neutrality – otherwise a lot more studio monitors would land in living rooms.

A market report on who buys loudspeakers in 2026, and why, would be interesting. I'm not aware one exists. Do you know better?

But are those punters wrong? If a customer buys a product that has less distortion, have they made a mistake? People like imperfection – that's why Alfa Romeo has a fan base and Hyundai has a customer base.

'People like imperfection'? Huh? I doubt if you asked them what they liked in a speaker, that imperfection would be an answer.

And again: this indicts ASR how?

Sorry, but even not splitting your post your like this, I'm having trouble detecting its point.
 
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Unfortunately, most buyers don't favour neutrality – otherwise a lot more studio monitors would land in living rooms.
Far more of them would sell if they looked like domestic speakers. And there was more education which we are bringing. This is why top monitor manufacturers read, participate and provide review samples to ASR. So your hypothesis is quite wrong in that regard.
 
Pre-warning: the conversation has detoured into discussion about marketing audio equipment, not measuring it . . .
You're aiming at targets I haven't presented: ASR isn't being indicted. It's business – inevitable.
People buy things that make them feel. That's why machines with 'character', 'soul', 'life', 'presence' and any numbers of euphemisms for 'imperfect' remain valued.
Apart from the sound it makes, more fundamentally, people get the feels from a brand halo; entry into a special club, acquiring status or peer approval, keeping up with the Jones's – or even having the best stats: but they're all the same thing when it comes to motivating sales.
 
Far more of them would sell if they looked like domestic speakers. And there was more education which we are bringing. This is why top monitor manufacturers read, participate and provide review samples to ASR. So your hypothesis is quite wrong in that regard.
Your hypothesis that sales of studio monitors are only damaged by their appearance isn't entirely wrong. But the larger problems are marketing, and the way they sound. This, in my experience of (maybe) hundreds of customer-focused auditions of studio monitors over two decades.

For many reasons, the market has finally shifted toward a more accommodating view of them, and small active speakers in general - which I hope is progress rather than a fad. There's certainly greater awareness now that 'tone of voice', 'colouration' and 'character' are distortions that can often be pinpointed by technical analysis. ASR has played an important role in this change, which I applaud. And you shouldn't feel shy about acknowledging the reach ASR has when it comes to moving the market.
 
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Your entry to the thread was a reply to the guy who was basically calling Amir a double-dealer and a "laughingstock' .

From which you've launched into a meta tangent about the dance of reviews and markets and consumer psychology.

Can you succinctly express the point you are trying to make?
 
The only hype on ASR is to reward well engineered and objectively well measuring gear.
ASR also tests devices that are objectively well measured but terribly engineered when you look at the device as a whole.
Cheap components, cheap housings, thermal problems.
 
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Your entry to the thread was a reply to the guy who was basically calling Amir a double-dealer and a "laughingstock' .

From which you've launched into a meta tangent about the dance of reviews and markets and consumer psychology.

Can you succinctly express the point you are trying to make?
Well said. " Over two decades" needs some explanation.
 
You're aiming at targets I haven't presented: ASR isn't being indicted. It's business – inevitable.
No, ASR is not a business. There is no business model which would work here where no monetization is attempted. This is why you don't see people copying what I have done with ASR elsewhere. No way are you paying for my time, and experience to say nothing of the capital expenses. This is what makes the ASR experiment unique. And why it has been so effective.

People buy things that make them feel. That's why machines with 'character', 'soul', 'life', 'presence' and any numbers of euphemisms for 'imperfect' remain valued.
Sure. So what? Far more people seem to value objective truth in audio both in research and here. This is why our readership dwarfs sites like stereophile and absolute sound.

And don't forget, plenty of "feel" comes from enjoying the music itself.
 
Apart from the sound it makes, more fundamentally, people get the feels from a brand halo; entry into a special club, acquiring status or peer approval, keeping up with the Jones's – or even having the best stats: but they're all the same thing when it comes to motivating sales.
Such halos are being replaced at accelerated rate with logic and knowledge.

Prior to late 1980s, products were sold with wonderful, technical material. Sony would have a four page, glossy brochure talking about transistors they used, circuit topology, measurements, etc. Audiophiles like myself, ate that up.

Then a transition happened. Folks decide to appeal to human nature of "more expensive, the better the performance must be." So high-end audio was born where empty marketing material claiming hearing the live performance, was the highlight. Magazines decided that this is good for them too. Only they could get the attention of these expensive brands to get loaned products for reviews. Fluff articles talking more about what music the guy played than anything technical took over. "Specifications" for products then turned into size and weight! Nothing about performance.

In the last decade or two, that idea expanded to tiers below. Even a new audiophile started to think that a $400 cable would make his system sound better than a $10 one. Ditto for DACs, amps, etc.

Then 10 years ago, we came around. Started to measure gear, with no motivation to sell anything to anyone. Just sheer interest to speak the truth about performance of products. Folks at first ignored us. Then started to be dismissive. Then angry. Meanwhile, new entrants such as Ascilab decided that there is a business to be had, selling to our very large and educated audience. They came on the heels of many electronics manufacturers who had realized the same and with it, hugely grew their business.

The old guard is there to be sure. But their voices are no longer the loudest or even the next loud. What put us on the map continues to grow. Folks want reliable data to make buy decisions on and we provide it. And we feed their desire to really learn more about audio and sound reproduction. Our expert members are participating without any comparison elsewhere.

So no, we are not a club. We are not here to drink together and watch a game. We are serious about righting the ship and brining control out of fluff marketing to engineering excellence. With products being so reasonably priced to boot, there is little competition going on to get the next expensive thing.

Net, net, your generic comments don't apply here. You are shooting from the hip and are better served to understand where you are and who we are.
 
This is why our readership dwarfs sites like stereophile and absolute sound.
I did not know this. Pleasant surprise. I'm sure you have shared the source of this data already with others, if you don't mind would like to learn more about the source.
 
I did not know this. Pleasant surprise. I'm sure you have shared the source of this data already with others, if you don't mind would like to learn more about the source.
Sure. Source is Similarweb.com. The only site left that provides such tracking (Alexa used to do it as well but got bought by Amazon and service got terminated).

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Sure. Source is Similarweb.com. The only site left that provides such tracking (Alexa used to do it as well but got bought by Amazon and service got terminated).

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It's no wonder they're scared. LOL
 
Sure. Source is Similarweb.com. The only site left that provides such tracking (Alexa used to do it as well but got bought by Amazon and service got terminated).

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This is just amazing Amir. Outstanding job! Very glad to be part of this community.
 
Far more people seem to value objective truth in audio both in research and here. This is why our readership dwarfs sites like stereophile and absolute sound.
That's one of the points I've highlighted. Large readership = large influence = commercial leverage, attracting resellers, creating lucrative brand halos, etc. QED. It's a function of your success. You've been focusing on how and why it happened: I've said: look at what is happening: this thread has become the #1 global promotional tool for AsciLab and their resellers. Which is fine - unless you also believe ASR stands apart from the contaminating influence of commerce and exists purely to pursue knowledge. In which case there's some dissonance. It's a difficult balance to get right, especially when you grow this big. Enough said.
 
AsciLab are successful because of their engineering prowess and their extremely competitive pricing.
ASR celebrates fine engineering, every well engineered component is lauded here.
Keith
 
AsciLab are successful because of their engineering prowess and their extremely competitive pricing.
ASR celebrates fine engineering, every well engineered component is lauded here.
Keith
I'm not your customer, I'm in Italy, can I ask you when the c8c system with bass module is expected to be delivered to you?
 
The first C8C units should be here this week, the first BX8C units to follow, I have no absolutely concrete dates for the BX8C and of course it is Korean New Year next week so I don't really expect any further updates until after the holiday period.
Keith
 
Sure. Source is Similarweb.com. The only site left that provides such tracking (Alexa used to do it as well but got bought by Amazon and service got terminated).

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While surfing over at Archimago's today I came across a posting from Jan on this subject.
Maybe already linked here ? but Archi posted this on ASR,

"Notice the number for Audio Science Review (1.74M). I know that many purely subjective audiophiles try to ignore this site, but let's face the facts! If you've been an audiophile for a little while or if you've searched for product reviews, you know about ASR. More importantly, you know that there's good information on this forum about the technology and it's a good place to see if objective-leaning audiophiles consider certain products snake oil. In modern audiophilia, objective testing has carved out a substantial amount of traffic which is not going to go away. I believe that this is reflecting an important shift in consumer sentiment and appetite - a cultural shift among hobbyists.
Stereophile, TAS, and HiFi+ as traditional print audiophile magazines one might still find at the local bookstores have combined web traffic of only 55% of ASR as of late 2025."

Bolding was done by Archi
Good stuff showing the muscle of ASR acorss all Hi-Fi sites.
 
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