AsciLab speakers are about to launch

[ScottySmallsMom]

Browsing for about 5 minutes:

Cinetor-Evo, Monitor | Heimkinolautsprecher

Monitor und Heimkinolautsprecher mit herausragenden Eigenschaften, bestückt mit Scan-Speak Discovery D2604/833000 (+Waveguide) und 18W/4434G00

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Heissmann-Acoustics | Disco-M | 20l Referenzlautsprecher

geschlossener Kompaktlautsprecher mit Waveguide, bestückt mit Scan-Speak Discovery D2604/833000 und 22W/4534G00.

heissmann-acoustics.de

But don't worry, those don't fool newbies with phrases such as "FEA" or "Klippel".. so no need to even look.

Both of these examples have much narrower directivity than the C6B. Those off the shelf waveguides don't appear to be cutting it, man.

@testp yeah the Audio First Fidelia is very nice. Not really a better value though considering the time and materials it would take to put them together. If I wanted to build another DIY that would be top choice.

 

[AudioJester]

Lots of speculation about support/parts availability. Ascilab should clarify their strategy, particularly if Amir as a dealer is uncertain.

I feel the C8C is easier to fix than my 8361a - as in I can swap drivers, plate amps, wiring myself in the C8C, but not the 8361a. C8C parts are more accessible in some ways as well, if out of warranty - it was part of the attraction, not just performance and price.

Also, is the US really the biggest market for Asilabs? More than 60% of the worlds population live in Asia . China alone has more than double the number of new car sales. An emerging Asian company probably has different focus.

Still, Ascilab needs to respond more appropriately to Amir's grievences - with actions not just words. He does not deserve this kind of treatment as a backer.

 

[Thighsofsteel]

For those people not from the UK, Gerald Ratner trashed his company by saying on record that it was selling "total crap" (jewellery) to the public. So not particularly relevant.

I think you are missing the general point.

 

[Mocie]

I think you are missing the general point.

Judging from the people agreeing with @sqrl I'd say your comparison was just low IQ and you were looking for some easy karma.

 

[Thighsofsteel]

Judging from the people agreeing with @sqrl I'd say your comparison was just low IQ and you were looking for some easy karma.

If you say so.
What happened to the Ratners business? What is likely to happen to the ACSILab business if they dont fix this?

 

[NTK]

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I feel the C8C is easier to fix than my 8361a - as in I can swap drivers, plate amps, wiring myself in the C8C, but not the 8361a. C8C parts are more accessible in some ways as well, if out of warranty - it was part of the attraction, not just performance and price.
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But don't forget the crucial step of loading the required parameters onto the DSP. Repairers not only need to know how to replace boards and drivers, but will also need to know how to load the DSP filter parameters. The Hypex software is not known for its user friendliness, and mishaps can easily result in fried drivers.

 

[DSJR]

Browsing for about 5 minutes:

Cinetor-Evo, Monitor | Heimkinolautsprecher

Monitor und Heimkinolautsprecher mit herausragenden Eigenschaften, bestückt mit Scan-Speak Discovery D2604/833000 (+Waveguide) und 18W/4434G00

heissmann-acoustics.de

Heissmann-Acoustics | Disco-M | 20l Referenzlautsprecher

geschlossener Kompaktlautsprecher mit Waveguide, bestückt mit Scan-Speak Discovery D2604/833000 und 22W/4534G00.

heissmann-acoustics.de

But don't worry, those don't fool newbies with phrases such as "FEA" or "Klippel".. so no need to even look.

Good to see. No UK representation methinks?

Gawd, the general domestic audio retail industry generally is lagging behind so hugely here in the UK now and for this older timer, it's so sad to see

 

[AudioJester]

But don't forget the crucial step of loading the required parameters onto the DSP. Repairers not only need to know how to replace boards and drivers, but will also need to know how to load the DSP filter parameters. The Hypex software is not known for its user friendliness, and mishaps can easily result in fried drivers.

Good point!
I cant speak for others, but I have used these amps before and upgraded complex firmware in other devices - my early version Okto dac upgrade still makes me shiver

 

[leManu]

I can't help but feel we've all become a mob of selfish entitled sheeple.

You just realize that?
Outside this forum Amir and his cult followers are now laughing stock.
No reviewer should be involved in any business part of the industry. Like none, ever.

 

[Power Pop 23]

You just realize that?
Outside this forum Amir and his cult followers are now laughing stock.
No reviewer should be involved in any business part of the industry. Like none, ever.

I think receiving compensation for advertising or viewings via YouTube constitutes being involved in 'any business part' of the industry.

 

[Mocie]

What is likely to happen to the ACSILab business if they dont fix this?

Probably nothing, I suspect what is going on here is the result of AsciLab finding the value proposition of fulfilling other orders more beneficial than the ten units sold through Amir. It's bad business practice for sure, but I suspect it'll change nothing if people want to buy from them direct rather than go through a forum operator. They're a Korean company scaling to meet demand out of their domestic market, they can ultimately just retreat back into that market at will.

If they fail to deliver ANYTHING on a global scale then sure the issues are more grave, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

I think receiving compensation for advertising or viewings via YouTube constitutes being involved in 'any business part' of the industry.

Fortunately I think most spaces consider affiliate farmer reviewers a joke, so it's pretty telegraphed what you're getting into if you're taking advice from dudes like Josh Valour or Passion For Sound.

 

[amirm]

OK, I woke up this morning (I get up late ), to a very nice email and resolution of the immediate issues from company CEOs. I will leave out the details for now, just in case they want to announce it. But it is all behind us and we are on track to get more product.

Thank you for all of you who supported us/me. For those of you who didn't, may you not find good music to listen to for the next week!

 

[amirm]

No reviewer should be involved in any business part of the industry.

I have had my company, Madrona Digital in the "industry" before the inception of this forum. The success of this forum, being in top 3 audio sites in the world, is an indication that I know how to manage conflicts of business. Beauty of objective assessment of audio gear instead of personal opinions masquerading as "reviews."

 

[goat76]

OK, I woke up this morning (I get up late ), to a very nice email and resolution of the immediate issues from company CEOs. I will leave out the details for now, just in case they want to announce it. But it is all behind us and we are on track to get more product.

Thank you for all of you who supported us/me. For those of you who didn't, may you not find good music to listen to for the next week!

Great, but doesn’t that mean the other dealers around the world will get less units for their waiting customers, or did AsciLab just decide to manufacture more loudspeakers than what they were capable to do before the conflict?

 

[amirm]

Great, but doesn’t that mean the other dealers around the world will get less units for their waiting customers, or did AsciLab just decide to manufacture more loudspeakers than what they were capable to do before the conflict?

I don't know for sure. Seems like it is a future production.

 

[leManu]

I think receiving compensation for advertising or viewings via YouTube constitutes being involved in 'any business part' of the industry.

Getting paid to review is unacceptable. Having a product lend for review and making money out of your own YouTube channel or advertisement on your blog is perfectly fine. Having a store, being a distributor, or any other direct involvement that makes you money from sales is not. Everyone here would be screaming on top of your lungs if stereophile or the absolute sound were doing it.

 

[Dueprocess]

OK, I woke up this morning (I get up late ), to a very nice email and resolution of the immediate issues from company CEOs. I will leave out the details for now, just in case they want to announce it. But it is all behind us and we are on track to get more product.

Thank you for all of you who supported us/me. For those of you who didn't, may you not find good music to listen to for the next week!

 

[AudioJester]

Had a feeling the good guys would get together and resolve this.

Only better things will evolve from this.

Well done Amir and Ascilabs!

 

[pablolie]

Getting paid to review is unacceptable.

One can be impartial and get paid for being a trusted voice. Specialized companies - for example- that certify standards compliance and such do that all the time. And yes, you pay them to certify you, and yet if you fail there's no amount you can pay them to change the result. Your premise is very flawed, IMO.

I actually think and have experienced "influencers" being way more corruptible than professional reviewers. Give them good champagne and canapes and you can tell them what to write. You can't do that with respected industry reviewers people trust.

 

[krabapple]

You just realize that?
Outside this forum Amir and his cult followers are now laughing stock.
No reviewer should be involved in any business part of the industry. Like none, ever.

A laughing stock among whom, pray tell? People on Audio Asylum? What's Best Forum? The playground in your mind?

(I'm laughing at you.)