AsciLab speakers are about to launch

[stoneeh]

@stoneeh you know of dozens of DIYers using FEA and Klippel for their designs?

FEA is completely superfluous for the task of developing a compact 2way speaker, and a DIY turntable and a calibrated microphone, which any serious private speaker designer has access to, leaves you with little to nothing you can't do without Klippel hardware.

You can find at least a couple of dozen examples for the point I'm making at -> https://diyspeakerdb.com/

Then again, judging by your post, you're probably not qualified to determine the capabilities of a speaker based on objective data. Best stick to regurgitating empty marketing phrases

 

[stigger]

What makes you so sure?

Because it does make sense, just not at the current stage of their business development.

 

[Chr1]

Ideally yes, but I still question what makes you sure it will be so?

And when? If it's five years from now, not much good for a lot of potential customers. YMMV.

 

[ScottySmallsMom]

@stoneeh that's a cool database, even if I can't read German.

Looking through just the 2-ways I'm not seeing anything as linear as the C6B or with similarly impressive directivity. Can you point out specific contenders with similar cost, and could do so without baseless insult?

 

[sqrl]

For those people from the UK, this situation has a ring of the Gerald Rather moment, or at least could turn that wayvery quickly, if Ascilab aren’t careful.

For those people not from the UK, Gerald Ratner trashed his company by saying on record that it was selling "total crap" (jewellery) to the public. So not particularly relevant.

 

[pablolie]

Because it does make sense, just not at the current stage of their business development.

"Too small to fail" is not how the saying goes... :-D

 

[kharan]

Anyone expecting the same level of service as Genelec, a brand that has been established for decades, employing hundreds of people directly and likely relying on a similarly sized dealer network is vastly over estimating the capabilities of a start up without VC backing.

And even with the efficiencies of scale and having amortised a lot of investment, Genelec remains very expensive. They provide a lot of ancilllaries around theirs speakers, software support, fast repairs, known reliability... But if you care about that, the Genelec 8040 is available at Thomann for 1900€ and at Sweetwater for 2500$, and I have no doubt that its measured performance at in the realm of the C6B and a decent class D amp.

If you wanted Genelec levels of service, it was already available at Genelec pricing. And to be fair, plenty of people and businesses have made that choice because they needed or wanted that level of service and polish. It is an excellent choice.

On the higher end of the price range, from everything I know, D&D offers outstanding service, and their 8C is directly comparable with the C8C with some added niceties, but it's also nearly three times more expensive. The same goes for Kii.

As for well measuring DIY speakers, they exist and are numerous, how many of them are available for purchase (even with a delay) at 1300€ (Audiophonics pricing for C6B)?

 

[Chr1]

One of the main reasons I bought my Neumann KH310s is their long served and proven reliability. (I don't want to have to ship them anywhere.) Plus their performance obviously.

Colour, appearance, Being "the latest thing". Not so much.
How much risk you are prepared to take with service and reliability varies, I guess.

 

[stoneeh]

@stoneeh that's a cool database, even if I can't read German.

Looking through just the 2-ways I'm not seeing anything as linear as the C6B or with similarly impressive directivity. Can you point out specific contenders with similar cost, and could do so without baseless insult?

Browsing for about 5 minutes:

Cinetor-Evo, Monitor | Heimkinolautsprecher

Monitor und Heimkinolautsprecher mit herausragenden Eigenschaften, bestückt mit Scan-Speak Discovery D2604/833000 (+Waveguide) und 18W/4434G00

heissmann-acoustics.de

Heissmann-Acoustics | Disco-M | 20l Referenzlautsprecher

geschlossener Kompaktlautsprecher mit Waveguide, bestückt mit Scan-Speak Discovery D2604/833000 und 22W/4534G00.

heissmann-acoustics.de

But don't worry, those don't fool newbies with phrases such as "FEA" or "Klippel".. so no need to even look.

 

[pat355]

Anyone expecting the same level of service as Genelec, a brand that has been established for decades, employing hundreds of people directly and likely relying on a similarly sized dealer network is vastly over estimating the capabilities of a start up without VC backing.

And even with the efficiencies of scale and having amortised a lot of investment, Genelec remains very expensive. They provide a lot of ancilllaries around theirs speakers, software support, fast repairs, known reliability... But if you care about that, the Genelec 8040 is available at Thomann for 1900€ and at Sweetwater for 2500$, and I have no doubt that its measured performance at in the realm of the C6B and a decent class D amp.

If you wanted Genelec levels of service, it was already available at Genelec pricing. And to be fair, plenty of people and businesses have made that choice because they needed or wanted that level of service and polish. It is an excellent choice.

On the higher end of the price range, from everything I know, D&D offers outstanding service, and their 8C is directly comparable with the C8C with some added niceties, but it's also nearly three times more expensive. The same goes for Kii.

As for well measuring DIY speakers, they exist and are numerous, how many of them are available for purchase (even with a delay) at 1300€ (Audiophonics pricing for C6B)?

I think you are only considering the cost of purchase angle. Total Cost of Ownership is what I think people are concerned about over the lifetime of the speakers.

 

[pat355]

@stoneeh that's a cool database, even if I can't read German.

Looking through just the 2-ways I'm not seeing anything as linear as the C6B or with similarly impressive directivity. Can you point out specific contenders with similar cost, and could do so without baseless insult?

you got 50% of your desired answer I guess...

 

[Audionaut]

This thread is really entertaining for outsiders who have no ambition whatsoever to buy a product from this company.
Their business practices remind me a little of the Apple products hyped by the Apple community—including the customers who are ready and willing to buy, who purchase the products on suspicion alone because everyone else thinks they're great.
Something tells me that Apple's approach only works if you're as big a company as Apple.
But of course, I could be wrong, so I'll just sit back with my popcorn and watch what happens from a safe distance.

Hang in there, Amir!

 

[kharan]

I think you are only considering the cost of purchase angle. Total Cost of Ownership is what I think people are concerned about over the lifetime of the speakers.

I suggest you read my post again.

Anyone expecting the same level of service as Genelec, a brand that has been established for decades, employing hundreds of people directly and likely relying on a similarly sized dealer network is vastly over estimating the capabilities of a start up without VC backing.

And even with the efficiencies of scale and having amortised a lot of investment, Genelec remains very expensive. They provide a lot of ancilllaries around theirs speakers, software support, fast repairs, known reliability... But if you care about that, the Genelec 8040 is available at Thomann for 1900€ and at Sweetwater for 2500$, and I have no doubt that its measured performance at in the realm of the C6B and a decent class D amp.

If you wanted Genelec levels of service, it was already available at Genelec pricing. And to be fair, plenty of people and businesses have made that choice because they needed or wanted that level of service and polish. It is an excellent choice.

On the higher end of the price range, from everything I know, D&D offers outstanding service, and their 8C is directly comparable with the C8C with some added niceties, but it's also nearly three times more expensive. The same goes for Kii.

As for well measuring DIY speakers, they exist and are numerous, how many of them are available for purchase (even with a delay) at 1300€ (Audiophonics pricing for C6B)?

I do not think for a moment that AsciLab would provide that level of service. What I do expect from any company is to say they are going to make the situation right and explain fully what is going on. Neither of which has occurred here. The requirements people are asking for is not done naively or with ignorance. I have tried to contact AsciLab through forums and their official channels on several occasions with no response. That does not inspire confidence and this discussion with them being on a peninsula around the globe has made me rethink.

Trust is easy to break but hard to gain.

I have nothing to say about what occurs between Ascilab and their dealers.

My comment was just about the comparison that was being made between Ascilab and more established brands.

 

[pat355]

I suggest you read my post again.





I have nothing to say about what occurs between Ascilab and their dealers.

My comment was just about the comparison that was being made between Ascilab and more established brands.

I did (before answering) - I missed the point then because...we don't know what we don't know with AsciLab, esp with actives. So we're not comparing anything, we're merely speculating.

 

[Purité Audio]

This thread is really entertaining for outsiders who have no ambition whatsoever to buy a product from this company.
Their business practices remind me a little of the Apple products hyped by the Apple community—including the customers who are ready and willing to buy, who purchase the products on suspicion alone because everyone else thinks they're great.
Something tells me that Apple's approach only works if you're as big a company as Apple.
But of course, I could be wrong, so I'll just sit back with my popcorn and watch what happens from a safe distance.

Hang in there, Amir!

AsciLab don’t ‘hype’ their products at all, just exemplary engineering with the measurements to prove it.
Keith

 

[krabapple]

What is the bit about "fun" and watching the show??? What about this is fun?

Translated that way it reads like standard 'let it all burn while I watch lol' edgelordism -- an internet/social media malady common among the young and male and partnerless. (Not to mention certain political factions in the USA.)

FWIW I'd still buy a pair of Ascilab speakers (passive). They're loudspeakers, how many ways can they break? ;>

 

[krabapple]

As SI ( science) labs.
Keith

ass-eye lab? Ick. Sounds like something Ken Russell or David Cronenberg would put in a movie.

 

[Audionaut]

Please note that this community is relatively informal—similar to Reddit—rather than a formal platform.

Let me put it this way: you could also see it differently.

 

[stigger]

He was comparing the korean forum to reddit, not ASR

 

[krabapple]

He/She called ASR "reddit", sorry that's just crazy
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called ASR "reddit" (x)
called DC inside "reddit" (o) : South Korea's community

I get tired of doing it , but again, in its defense -- Reddit is a huge comment galaxy. There are plenty of nice planets in it, they aren't all given over to the dark side. I consult them occasionally for various innocuous bits of information and advice. And it has comment upvoting/downvoting, a good feature for burying trash.