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The way this is written, it sounds like a serious problem. Several months each time is a lot, right?
It's drivers.
Combine the existing demand with the reputation they got about making a nice speaker with them and boom.

On the other hand, long ETA's are usual in audio, remember the time Purifi drivers took to hit the market.
 
It's drivers.
Combine the existing demand with the reputation they got about making a nice speaker with them and boom.

On the other hand, long ETA's are usual in audio, remember the time Purifi drivers took to hit the market.
The way I read it is that problems will only compound with new market penetration aka lack of focus as per Amir’s analysis plus expectations from a completely different set of customers (pros). Long ETAs seem to be the tip of the iceberg
 
I’m currently using speakers from this company, and to be clear, the product itself is exceptional. In terms of performance and sound quality, there is very little to criticize.

The issue lies elsewhere.

This company operates at what feels like a near hand-built, cottage-industry level. Waiting periods of six months or more are not uncommon. It appears to be a brand founded and driven almost entirely by engineering passion, with limited capital and little structural preparation for scaling or operating in the global market.

In Korea, many customers have been unusually patient. People often say things like, “For the price, the level of engineering is remarkable,” or “The fact that a Korean company is making something this good is already worth supporting.” As a result, customers wait months, sometimes quietly, out of goodwill rather than contractual expectation.

From an outsider’s perspective, the company feels heavily engineer-driven, with little evidence of a dedicated business, logistics, or customer-relations function. This becomes especially noticeable when customers are asked not to make delivery or communication issues public, rather than being met with transparent explanations or even a simple apology.

Another concern is the pace and volume of new product announcements. New models are introduced frequently, even while existing products have significant backorders. From a customer’s point of view, it would make far more sense to first fulfill current orders, stabilize production, and then move forward step by step. Instead, the company appears far more focused on product development than on how those products are actually sold, delivered, and supported.

This creates the impression of a strong engineering mindset without a corresponding business mindset. It is difficult to avoid the feeling that the leadership itself may come from a purely engineering background, with limited real-world experience in running and scaling a commercial business.

The irony is that this is a company whose products deserve global attention—but global business requires more than world-class engineering. Clear communication, realistic lead times, disciplined product rollout, and basic accountability are just as important. Without those, even the most patient customers will eventually reach their limit.
 
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The way I read it is that problems will only compound with new market penetration aka lack of focus as per Amir’s analysis plus expectations from a completely different set of customers (pros). Long ETAs seem to be the tip of the iceberg
That's true.
If they don't get the most fundamental mentality about this market "customer must feel like a king" pre and after sales, for the smallest details, game is lost.
 
I’m currently using speakers from this company, and to be clear, the product itself is exceptional. In terms of performance and sound quality, there is very little to criticize.
The issue lies elsewhere.

This company operates at what feels like a near hand-built, cottage-industry level. Waiting periods of six months or more are not uncommon. It appears to be a brand founded and driven almost entirely by engineering passion, with limited capital and little structural preparation for scaling or operating in the global market.

In Korea, many customers have been unusually patient. People often say things like, “For the price, the level of engineering is remarkable,” or “The fact that a Korean company is making something this good is already worth supporting.” As a result, customers wait months, sometimes quietly, out of goodwill rather than contractual expectation.

From an outsider’s perspective, the company feels heavily engineer-driven, with little evidence of a dedicated business, logistics, or customer-relations function. This becomes especially noticeable when customers are asked not to make delivery or communication issues public, rather than being met with transparent explanations or even a simple apology.

Another concern is the pace and volume of new product announcements. New models are introduced frequently, even while existing products have significant backorders. From a customer’s point of view, it would make far more sense to first fulfill current orders, stabilize production, and then move forward step by step. Instead, the company appears far more focused on product development than on how those products are actually sold, delivered, and supported.

This creates the impression of a strong engineering mindset without a corresponding business mindset. It is difficult to avoid the feeling that the leadership itself may come from a purely engineering background, with limited real-world experience in running and scaling a commercial business.

What adds to the frustration is the apparent prioritization of U.S. shipments. From a business standpoint, this may be understandable given market size and visibility. However, with such limited production capacity, this approach risks alienating early supporters who helped sustain the brand before international recognition.

The irony is that this is a company whose products deserve global attention—but global business requires more than world-class engineering. Clear communication, realistic lead times, disciplined product rollout, and basic accountability are just as important. Without those, even the most patient customers will eventually reach their limit.
Great perspective.
The underlying concern I have about all this is the “why” this is happening. Sure we can say it’s growing pains or an engineering led company. however lack of focus and constantly chasing new markets remind me of how I (wrongly) ran my first company: chasing volume at all cost to make up for small margins.
I have no idea whether that is the case here but I just hope that’s not the reason…
 
Finally, I apologize to readers for any fatigue caused by issues that should be resolved within the direct conversation between you and us as dealer and manufacturer.
You make it sound like I have not tried that and repeatedly so with your CEO this weekend. Every time he said he consulted with the team and came back with pushback across just about every issue. I explained for example, that it is critical, per promise back in December, that we get our next shipment of C6Bs in February. I even quoted the email communication. I had waited patiently for this delivery as C6B is extremely popular product for us. His answer? That stock is already spoken for and that is that.

Didn't any of you think, "let's save a few units for US market" before selling off the inventory? Was the memory already forgotten that I had wanted the next shipment and was promised this time frame?

But you did remember a week ago to post here that you have full stock of C6B/F6B/F6Bs to sell on your site. Right?

You still think the problem is too much demand and not poor decision making? And that I continue to be at fault for telling you all this?
 
You make it sound like I have not tried that and repeatedly so with your CEO this weekend. Every time he said he consulted with the team and came back with pushback across just about every issue. I explained for example, that it is critical, that per promise back in December, that we get our next shipment of C6Bs in February. I even quoted the email communication. I had waited patiently for this delivery as C6B is extremely popular product for us. His answer? That stock is already spoken for and that is that.

Didn't any of you think, "let's save a few units for US market" before selling off the inventory? Was the memory already forgotten that I had wanted the next shipment and was promised this time frame?

But you did remember a week ago to post here that you have full stock of C6B/F6B/F6Bs to sell on your site. Right?

You still think the problem is too much demand and not poor decision making? And that I continue to be at fault for telling you all this?
I said he is busy so he can’t answer now and we are discussing about your last email.
Do you want to keep this conversation here?
We need time to prepare proper answer for you and us to solve this problem.

Please kindly wait for our next answer. I can’t answer you now about full of your questions. alone.
 
My experience with my Smyth A16 Realizer should give food for thought. In early 2020, I had an issue where my new A16 would not respond to its' remote. I would up shipping it back to Bristol in Northern Ireland, in early January. That was at the start of the Covid epidemic. I didn't wind up getting it back until around Labor Day, and I had a major hassle with Customs requiring I fill out a declaration. I received the declaration on a Friday, and didn't puzzle out how to fill it out until Monday. In the meantime, DHL sent it back to Northern Ireland, and it had to be reshipped to get it back. Such are the vicissitudes of buying a boutique product made abroad with no US based infrastructure. I hold my nose and tolerate it with Smyth Research because the A16 is a genuine unicorn that does something that no other product in the world can match, and does it stunningly well.

Loudspeakers are another matter. Lots of great loudspeakers out there. I remember I was very interested in GGNT M2's for the longest time because it looked like they could provide genuine cardioid response to 100 hz for half the price of the D&D 8C's, albeit without their bottom octave. Unfortunately, over a five year period, it looks like they are making and will make zero effort to establish a US dealer network or a US based service center. They won't be getting my business now or ever by the look of things.

Now I'm finding Asci Lab may be challenged to provide the infrastructure (spare parts, spare inventory) to support its US dealer. To me that's very serious. I remember around 15 months ago I posted something on this very thread asking what was taking them so much time to release product in the US, given they had already at that time not met their initial product launch projections, and was told in no uncertain terms to "cool it". Well, I think the viability of a manufacturer as well as the technical excellencies of its products are fair game for discussion. Things like how well their supply chain functions, how long it takes them to do warranty service, how available parts are represent important considerations (or should be) in any would be customer's buying decision. It can't just be about how a speaker does on the Klippel, it really can not.

A lot of us would like to buy product from Asci, myself included, but it's imperative that when I make an investment of multiple thousands of dollars, I know that I'm buying something I can confidently believe is coming from a stable company able to provide a full warranty and support system and a quality customer experience.

I really hope Asci Labs is that company, but right now I really need to see more evidence it can meet the challenge of growing from a lab producing remarkable protypes into a company that can translate that into a well run international business able to smoothly meet the expectations of its prospective customers.
 
I also was planning on ordering a pair of C6Bs in the near future, and if/when they are ever available for immediate purchase and delivery I probably will still do so. However, this thread has made me wonder if that will ever happen.

Is anyone else a little concerned about the statement "all of our staff—regardless of their usual roles—have been assigned to production"? I can see potential issues here like speakers being wired out of phase, etc.

@amirm, I for one appreciate your transparency a great deal. That's something you don't often see in situations like this.
 
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I said he is busy so he can’t answer now and we are discussing about your last email.
Do you want to keep this conversation here?
As long as you are repeating the same non-starter arguments your CEO made in email this weekend, yes. As I sit here, I have no indication that you are working on responding to anything. You haven't sent me any communication to that effect. It is first I hear that you are working on "this problem."

Your tone and style of communication is consistent with what I read this weekend so please excuse me for not keeping up hopes that the proper resolutions are forthcoming. But maybe you surprise me when I wake up tomorrow and I hear we have something to sell for the next few months as you and others will.
 
But you did remember a week ago to post here that you have full stock of C6B/F6B/F6Bs to sell on your site. Right?

I remember, and I nearly pulled the trigger that night. If not for the fact that I just bought another new pair of speakers 3 weeks ago I likely would have that night.

If I had, I'd be be extremely angry about it right now...
 
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To make a simple comparison with the C6B:

For the C6B, one person can assemble and finish one speaker in about one hour. In contrast, the C8T requires two people working for approximately three hours to complete a single speaker. In practical terms, while six C6B units can be produced, only one C8T can be completed in the same amount of time.

This difference in production time and labor is the single largest factor in the pricing.
I hope this production time is just a figurative word.
 
In my professional life, I accompany and support companies in setting up and developing their organisations. Sales is particularly close to my heart: firstly, because that's where I grew up, and secondly, because how you treat your customers (and partners) is ultimately the decisive factor for success.

In most cases, companies are founded on the basis of a good product – by people who are primarily technicians and tinkerers and, unfortunately, in very few cases understand how important ‘the other side’ is.

I currently have another case like this: a technology start-up founded by three guys in their mid-twenties, a great product, stable financing, a clear market need... and no clear sales strategy.

I was fascinated by AsciLab's products and their vision of developing technically outstanding products at a fair price from the very beginning. So much so that I applied to become a partner/distributor for AsciLab in Germany and still hope that this will work out in the future.

Hence my appeal here: take one step at a time. Slow and steady wins the race. Accept feedback from people who deal with you and have experience in this business with gratitude and humility – they usually mean well.

That being said, in conflicts, try to put yourself in the other person's position: what would I feel, think and say in their place? Stubbornly insisting on your own point of view has rarely led to a good and sustainable solution.

And whatever is important in international business: for one side, the language of choice is still a foreign language – no matter how well they speak it – and cultural differences must not be ignored either.

cheers,
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This is becoming a nightmare. I ordered from Audiophonics in early January because stock was expected by the end of the month. Then it got pushed to mid-March, which killed my enthusiasm. I cancelled and almost bought the Polk R600—which I could literally have delivered this Friday if I wanted to—but I cancelled those too because I really wanted the C6B/F6B.

I saw stock on AsciLab's website just 5 days ago, but it vanished before I could grab a pair. Now, seeing that @amirm (the US dealer) has been waiting since last summer for his shipment, I have zero confidence in the dates shown by EU dealers. I’m stuck with my TV speakers, I have the money ready, but I have no idea if the next restock is in days or in 6 months. This situation is incredibly frustrating for a first-time Hi-Fi buyer. It's hard to stay loyal to a brand when the alternative is sitting in a warehouse ready to ship right now."
 
Update: I couldn't wait anymore. The lack of clarity and the constant delays pushed me to pull the trigger on the Polk R600 today. They will be in my living room this Thursday.
I still think AsciLab makes incredible products, and I might get a pair for another room in the future once the supply chain is stabilized. But for my first real system, I just wanted to finally experience that 'impact' and high-quality sound without waiting for months. Too bad for AsciLab, but I'm excited to finally start my Hi-Fi journey!"
 
IMO the right thing to do now is to close all new orders, both AsciLab direct and distributors, of all models, until the current orders are fulfilled. No need to add more people to the queue and keep them anxiously waiting with further delays.
 
IMO the right thing to do now is to close all new orders, both AsciLab direct and distributors, of all models, until the current orders are fulfilled. No need to add more people to the queue and keep them anxiously waiting with further delays.
sounds right
 
I just bought the Polk Reserve R600 and they're arriving this Thursday. Since I'm new to the hobby, I'd love to get your technical take: aside from AsciLab, is there anything that actually beats the Polk Reserve series in this price bracket? From all the reviews and measurements I’ve seen, they seem to be an incredible value and very well-engineered. Did I make a solid choice for a first 'serious' system?"
this is an AsciLab thread...you may want to move it to a different topic in the speakers area
 
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