AsciLab speakers are about to launch

[Purité Audio]

D&D and Kii, the 8cs through their app and the kiis via their ‘control’.
I don’t believe either choice of filter will add significant latency but AsciLab will confirm .
Keith

 

[Grimoire]

Well, probably not the speakers for you then if you want that kind of functionality.

Actually, not sure what speakers would meet your needs.....
You seem to criticise every aspect lol
What other speakers offer to switch between minimum and linear phase?

That was my first criticism. The Kii controller allows you to do it. And I've already ordered to C8C from Keith and that allows you to do it with the button on the back, and I was considering adding BX8C in a few months.

Perhaps you should apologise.

 

[AudioJester]

That was my first criticism. The Kii controller allows you to do it. And I've already ordered to C8C from Keith and that allows you to do it with the button on the back, and was considering the BX8C in a few months.

Perhaps you should apologise.

Its just a discussion, apologies if it offended you - was not my intent.

 

[Curvature]

Better looking, yes.

Great engineering gives the Ascilabs a special aura. Love the curves on the waveguide.

 

[Grimoire]

D&D and Kii, the 8cs through their app and the kiis via their ‘control’.
I don’t believe either choice of filter will add significant latency but AsciLab will confirm .
Keith

The latency is 30ms; whether that will be a problem I don't know. I don't know the latency of the WiiM Ultra that I will be using. I'll find out in the fulness of time...

 

[Curvature]

For the C8C, by some degree, it measures better, but not by a large amount, and there are some aspects to the measurements where I think the Buchardt measures as good or better.

Besides, it also costs almost the same as the C8C alone, C8C+B8XC is much pricier.

I disagree. Although the Buchardt products have good results by traditional standards, the Ascilabs represent something new and superior, particularly in directivity control.

 

[AudioJester]

I disagree. Although the Buchardt products have good results by traditional standards, the Ascilabs represent something new and superior, particularly in directivity control.

To me the big difference in vertical directivity is the better low frequency control of the C8C - less SBIR. In an average poorly treated room, would any speaker in that price range better the C8C? At least that was part of my thinking when ordering.

Both are great speakers, the price difference is bigger for me in Australia, as I can buy directly from AsciLab. Buchardt do make beautiful looking speakers though.

 

[amirm]

Does anyone know why the Audiophonics January batch was pushed to March?

Because the factory is in no position to supply any C6Bs until end of February. This is the information i got I think back in December when I asked when we could have more.

February, if the date stands, means product in hand in March.

 

[kharan]

I disagree. Although the Buchardt products have good results by traditional standards, the Ascilabs represent something new and superior, particularly in directivity control.

Fair enough.

Personally, I think that Buchardt's active designs are very good and that Ascilab's designs are better by a quantitative margin rather than a qualitative margin.

TBH, it's what Ascilab manages to do with their passive designs that impresses me most, especially the C8T which I would agree is something new and superior.

 

[Curvature]

Fair enough.

Personally, I think that Buchardt's active designs are very good and that Ascilab's designs are better by a quantitative margin rather than a qualitative margin.

TBH, it's what Ascilab manages to do with their passive designs that impresses me most, especially the C8T which I would agree is something new and superior.

If we take the smaller speakers, the Ascilab's horizontal directivity control extends ~150Hz lower using the -6dB trace, while the vertical is in another class entirely, something seen only in coaxials.

Measurements for speaker AsciLab A6B Passive

www.spinorama.org

Measurements for speaker Buchardt Audio A10

www.spinorama.org

Every model they've released is competitive with the best in its type and size, regardless of price. That's a qualitative leap in my book.

 

[Matt_Holland]

In black/black the looks are the same, not?
But what about cardioid at this price tag?

I prefer the looks of Buchardt, but very little can touch Ascilab for audio performance. They are in a very exclusive club of engineering excellence.

 

[kharan]

If we take the smaller speakers, the Ascilab's horizontal directivity control extends ~150Hz lower using the -6dB trace, while the vertical is in another class entirely, something seen only in coaxials.

Measurements for speaker AsciLab A6B Passive

www.spinorama.org

Measurements for speaker Buchardt Audio A10

www.spinorama.org

Every model they've released is competitive with the best in its type and size, regardless of price. That's a qualitative leap in my book.

Ascilab's waveguide is indeed outstanding, it provide enough loading to make ultra low crossovers possible.

 

[Curvature]

To me the big difference in vertical directivity is the better low frequency control of the C8C - less SBIR. In an average poorly treated room, would any speaker in that price range better the C8C? At least that was part of my thinking when ordering.

Both are great speakers, the price difference is bigger for me in Australia, as I can buy directly from AsciLab. Buchardt do make beautiful looking speakers though.

In that size and price range? Nothing comes to mind.

Price aside, it's easier to compare the C8C+BX8C. They are as good or better than the Genelec W371A+8351B, Kii Three+BXT and GGNTKT M3. They are probably even comparable to the D&D 15c.

If we include other kinds of speakers, they are competitive with the directivity control and output of the JBL M2, Grimm LS1c+SB1 and KEF Blade 2 Meta.

 

[Chaos01]

For most casual homes, at least Europe, the look of Buchardts will be a big Point to prefer them for the living room. The Wood Finishes, the grills, and so on. Also the direct selling and Option to send them Back after 30 days. Would the E50 have the Performance Like the s400mk2 or the A10, i would have buy them. But the E50 Performance imho is sad.

So i Hope for Wood finishes from AsciLab and Grills for the A6B for all woofers

@AsciLab, did you See my question about waterfall Plot/ burst decay Graph? Will you provide some for the A6B or have i wait to Erin to review them, If i He will, i dont know?

 

[Morla]

spinorama does not show them, yet? (c8c, etc)

 

[829]

If we include other kinds of speakers, they are competitive with the directivity control and output of the JBL M2, Grimm LS1c+SB1 and KEF Blade 2 Meta.

Well, certainly not with the output capabilities of the JBL M2 (which is not cardioid, to be fair).

This is where the M2 still stands out (being released in 2013!) and while not offering that smooth a frequency response out of the box - their excellent directivity control and even lower distortion down to below 20 Hz in-room, really allow to play around with room EQ.

JBL M2 Master Reference Monitor

JBL M2 Master Reference Monitor

www.erinsaudiocorner.com

Maybe what is shown as the S6C + BX10C on the 2025 Development Timeline might touch these waters. *fingerscrossed*

 

[staticV3]

Well, certainly not with the output capabilities of the JBL M2 (which is not cardioid, to be fair).

The distortion measurements which Asci shared here are likely with the system in Standard cardioid mode.

Setting the BX8C to Max SPL mode will result in lower bass distortion than what's shown in the graphs.

Whether that'll suffice to keep THD at 96dB below 1%, like the M2, remains to be seen.

The BX8C has some 15% more woofer area than the M2, so it's not completely unfeasible.

 

[829]

The BX8C has some 15% more woofer area than the M2, so it's not completely unfeasible.

I certainly would welcome such a surprise! Although I highly doubt it, especially with regards to the huge remaining headroom of the JBL M2. AsciLab provides us with a state-of-the-art closed-box (cardioid) design with entirely different power handling etc. But it's okay, there simply is not - and never will be - the best loudspeaker that ticks all the boxes. It always is about compromises, right?

As of now, probably only the Genelec 8381A will outperform the M2 but at a much higher cost (and granted, with additional features). Unfortunately, nobody has sent it in for testing yet... I would help lifting!

 

[Purité Audio]

This outperforms what exactly?

 

[staticV3]

This outperforms what exactly?View attachment 506645

This outperforms anything we've seen from Ascilab so far: