Would love to visit aswell. It's going to be a well treated room I assume @Times?
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I haven't heard anything new from Audiophonics regarding my order, but at the same time I haven't done anything beyond just checking the order page which at this time reports between 27th February and 6th March.
At this stage, I don't think Audiophonics can provide a more definitive shipping date than what's already on display. Ascilab is still in the process of building the speakers, and the date when they send their speakers overseas is yet to be determined. The duration of that shipment is only an estimate, and once it arrives in France, the size and the heavy content of the shipment will likely mean there is a processing delay.
Each step has some variability built in its estimated duration, and unforeseen delays could happen. This is what happens when we are pre-ordering the first run of an item. Generally, it means that the actual date when we receive it is going to be uncertain. Having said that, I do agree that people who have asked Audiophonics should receive some form of answer, even in the form of an uncertain estimation. In the past, when going through their submission form, I've received an answer 24 to 48h after.
Now, what I do hope is that considering the increased weight and the electronics of the C8C and BX8C, Ascilab has built their packaging to account for harsh and careless handling from shipping companies.
At this stage, I don't think Audiophonics can provide a more definitive shipping date than what's already on display. Ascilab is still in the process of building the speakers, and the date when they send their speakers overseas is yet to be determined. The duration of that shipment is only an estimate, and once it arrives in France, the size and the heavy content of the shipment will likely mean there is a processing delay.
Each step has some variability built in its estimated duration, and unforeseen delays could happen. This is what happens when we are pre-ordering the first run of an item. Generally, it means that the actual date when we receive it is going to be uncertain. Having said that, I do agree that people who have asked Audiophonics should receive some form of answer, even in the form of an uncertain estimation. In the past, when going through their submission form, I've received an answer 24 to 48h after.
Now, what I do hope is that considering the increased weight and the electronics of the C8C and BX8C, Ascilab has built their packaging to account for harsh and careless handling from shipping companies.
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It's going to be a room with roundabout 25 square meters, with wooden flooring and a window front in one corner, so it resembles a typical living room situation, at least here in (southern) Germany. I'm planning to treat the room with acoustic measures to an extent that would also be appropriate in a (somewhat) normal living space, in order to give customers a feel for the results they can expect in their own homes:
A large carpet on the floor, selected absorbers and diffusers on the walls / ceiling, and (living space suitable) bass traps.
In addition, I plan to do a Dirac Live / ART measurement for all “major” speakers and create a corresponding project in the software, so demos can be done with “no correction,” “correction up to ~500Hz,” and “full range”.
I'll post pictures as soon as everything is set up.
I got an email from Audiophonics that says I can expect delivery at the beginning of May.
You should definitely stop by. It's wonderful here, especially in spring.
The whole stack? I only have the bookshelves on order.
Yes, the whole stack. I noted on my order that I prefer one shipment for everything.
The C8C alone should be available a couple of weeks earlier.
Yes, that is expected since Ascilab will only deliver the bass stands from mid april if I recall correctly. Add in shipping by boat (likely), processing at the dealer's location, and may is a what I would expect when Audiophonics starts shipping the stack.
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Speaking of room treatment, is a different approach required for cardioid compared to conventional speakers?
Just in terms of basic principles.
For conventional speakers the received wisdom/basic advice might go along the lines of; first reflections, corners, rear wall (not my advice, stolen from GIK Acoustics).
Just in terms of basic principles.
For conventional speakers the received wisdom/basic advice might go along the lines of; first reflections, corners, rear wall (not my advice, stolen from GIK Acoustics).
Not really. You probably don't struggle that much with modal Freq.Resp. and Reverb.time (thats one of the reason to use cardioid afaik?) and wont need to use much volume of acoustic wool.
But above the cardioid dispersion, so from the upper bass till high frequency the reflections are more or less the same. But that varies with your distance to the front wall because of SBIR. With cardioid the distance isn't that important, but non cardioid should placed nearest possible to the front wall or minimum 1,2-1,5m away.
I would go for the classic dead/live end. So around the speaker, on the side walls, ceiling, floor using absorbers. In the back end (walls, ceiling) you can use diffusors if you can maintain a minimum distance to your listening position of around 1m (better more). If not, I'd also go for slightly dampening materials (homogenous is most important. You dont want to kill your highs while your bass/mids are over-present. A constant reverberation time is quite important for long listening sessions ).
You can vary the dead/live end depending on your listening position or use a mix of them. You'll find literature for that.
Traditional designs with a rough off-axis need first reflection absorption the C8C’s don’t.
Measure with REW always the first step.
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Actually, nothing changes with regards to room acoustic treatment. The excellent off-axis response of Ascilab loudspeakers allows for very predictable room EQ, if software like Dirac is additionally used, as opposed to a less controlled directivity. Narrower horizontal beam width will certainly energize early side wall reflections less but also norrows sweet spot area.
The general recommendation to not over-absorb in the HF/MF, while still creating a reflection-free zone -- which also is possible through favouring geometrical room shapes and loudspeaker placement -- around the listening position, but to absorb as much energy in the LF as possible remains valid. The cardioid design helps with lower excitement of room modes in its usable range (down to 80Hz for the C8C and 50Hz +BX8C), of course.
Genelec has some good information available and their loudspeakers are not worse.^^
(Also follow the "Find more information..." link at the bottom of the article.)
PS: What are "conventional speakers"? Is this the category for poorly engineered products?
GIK Acoustics has good information. Else, look through their acoustics articles like for RFZ: https://realtraps.com/rfz.htm
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If you participated in the S6B pre-order, shipments are scheduled to begin from late January to early February.
The A6B restock is expected around mid-February.
The S6B restock is scheduled for April.
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We are sharing approximate reference images of the upcoming 2-way center speaker and 3-way center speaker currently under development.
The 2-way center speaker features an MTM configuration with two 5-inch drivers.
The 3-way center speaker adopts a WTMW configuration, incorporating two 8-inch woofers, one 5-inch midrange driver, and one tweeter.
The 2-way center speaker is planned for release first, around April–May.
The 3-way center speaker requires additional unit design work, so it is expected to be unveiled after the summer.
The 2-way center speaker features an MTM configuration with two 5-inch drivers.
The 3-way center speaker adopts a WTMW configuration, incorporating two 8-inch woofers, one 5-inch midrange driver, and one tweeter.
The 2-way center speaker is planned for release first, around April–May.
The 3-way center speaker requires additional unit design work, so it is expected to be unveiled after the summer.
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To simplify option selection, reduce inventory burden for dealers, and streamline the manufacturing process, we ship the products with waveguides and trim rings in the same color as the enclosure.
I mean, can I purchase this at the same time as a C8C? Or is it limited to F6B, F6Bs and C6B?
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Can we expect the horizontal dispersion of the 2-way to be marginally better than the vertical dispersion of the C8C? In other words narrower than ideal? Or have you implemented some trick solution like 2.5-way?
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