Yes, we are discussing this because it makes sense, and Ascilab reacted accordingly. the price now is corrected. the pre-order re-opened.
Thank you Ascilab!
No reason to rage against people in this forum.
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Thank you Ascilab!
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Good post, I mostly agree with you. I think people expect a bit much, not realising enough how special it is how involved Ascilab is and how far they go to deliver. I don't think it's fair you're calling the discussion about the price of audiophonics as douchebag behaviour. For me it was the feeling of unfairness. Although some posts of people were maybe a bit gnarly, it's fine to adress some concerns.
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So they don't come with power cables?
Do you think I’m a douchebag for pointing out I think it’s wrong to end the pre-order price earlier than what was announced?
I did that to help AsciLab as a sudden decision like that could have turned really ugly for them, with potential customers sitting on the fence waiting to make a decision to buy or not. It was simply not a very good move business-wise, and had the potential risk of actually pushing away those on-the-fence customers for good.
If AsciLab had said from the beginning it was a limited number of speakers going for the pre-order price, it wouldn’t be a problem to end it early.
They do come with power cable.
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Thanks. Do you happen to know how long they are? I just want to be prepared for the speakers' arrival.
I don't know? The Audiophonics webpage only says "1x AC power cable". I would guess it's the standard length of 1.5 meters or so.
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I saw that, but they say only one power cable for two speakers and the connection diagram is full of errors so I didn't trust it.
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No need for name calling.
Its just a discussion and probably helps AsciLab and distributors get a feel for what they are getting into.
Once the speaker is out there and there are some reviews and real world feedback - its going to snow ball!
The grace that AsciLab demonstrates here will only draw in customers!
Its just a discussion and probably helps AsciLab and distributors get a feel for what they are getting into.
Once the speaker is out there and there are some reviews and real world feedback - its going to snow ball!
The grace that AsciLab demonstrates here will only draw in customers!
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Power cords come in a variety of lengths these days from 1 metre to 2. In effect you can make up your own to suit your requirements in the light of powering active speakers in your preferred location.
A major issue could be the location of power outlets in your room do not match your speaker location distance. Most room outlet locations would mean an extension cord maybe required for one speaker or both. Personally in the light of these issues you need to be prepared to make do until new cords are prepared.
Note that these days supplying a power cord is not mandatory for manufacturers but is helpful.
Mind you the cost is very low as almost all electronic appliances(PC's, HiFi) have IEC-C13 power input sockets.
Robert
A major issue could be the location of power outlets in your room do not match your speaker location distance. Most room outlet locations would mean an extension cord maybe required for one speaker or both. Personally in the light of these issues you need to be prepared to make do until new cords are prepared.
Note that these days supplying a power cord is not mandatory for manufacturers but is helpful.
Mind you the cost is very low as almost all electronic appliances(PC's, HiFi) have IEC-C13 power input sockets.
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I just want to be prepared so that I do not have to 'make do'.
I could just buy some appropriate cables but that would be silly waste if appropriate cables happen to be supplied with the speakers.
But it's not the end of the world either way. I just thought I'd ask in case the information was out there. It appears that it is not.
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In every instance I've witnessed, pre-order pricing or pretty much any sale offer is until time-lapses or stock lasts; It's not wrong for them to have ended it as the latter applied here, but it's gracious that they've extended it. Still, we aren't entitled to a pre-order pricing, so holding on to how it was offered as the basis for if you decide to be a customer or not, or as a measure of good business, or if they're deserving of "customer trust" is.... weird (and honestly just a mask for your desire to get the lowest price possible).
Also, it's absolutely okay for customers to be on the fence. I'm not sure it's Ascilab's responsibility to offer more than all they're doing already - at a ridiculous price I should add - to be more convincing. After all, options like the Kii three bxt, Dutch 6c + 6s and Sigbergs exists, which we could very well all consider should we decide Ascilab's pre-order policy sucks.
Personally, I think if Ascilabs were in this purely for the business, or making "good moves" business wise as you say, they shouldn't be offering prices anywhere close to what they're offering, or even put themselves in a position to be recipients of some of these naggings, much less respond to them. I think they'll do very well playing exclusively in the premium spaces, where customers are much less...weird. But I appreciate that they're deciding not to, and I realise that comes with some little compromises around capacity/production efficiency in the short term, so the least I can do in appreciation is offer the most grace possible, and some more.
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prepare by having a couple of extension leads at the ready.
Amazing! And really glad you stick to your word and re-opened preorders as initially promised.
Will we receive an order confirmation in due time before shipping, to crosscheck the data submitted is correct? PayPal just issued statements with incomplete address data.
Also please explain "Break-in for Optimal Performance: 24 hours" on your website graphics for C8C. What changes and are these changes backed up by measurements pre and post break-in?
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"My desire to get the lowest price possible"?
I personally don't plan on purchasing any new loudspeakers at this point. I'm just participating in the discussion.
I just saw the reaction of some people here who seem interested in buying these speakers, and who were clearly surprised (and even seemed a bit angry) that AsciLab ended their pre-sale price offer earlier than what was announced. I share their surprise, because AsciLab never informed anyone that the pre-sale had a quantity limit and therefore could stop earlier than what was announced.
If this were just a dealer or a HiFi store offering a product on sale for a limited time, I wouldn't be as surprised if they ran out of stock if the demand were higher than expected. But as this is the manufacturer, which most likely will keep on manufacturing more of these speakers after the first batch runs out, why would anyone expect them to end their pre-sale price offer earlier when they never announced it was limited to the first batch of speakers?
cutting the pre-order short was not great indeed, but it has been fixed. As has been fixed the problem with Audiophonics.
AFAIC what was odd were the voices "expecting" @AsciLab to post this or that in order for them to make a decision. With all that's already been shared - which is a ton more than other manufacturers do anywhere - it's been a bit surprising to see this. Was a case of "here are the measurements" followed by "good. Now show me more", "there you go", "good. Now show me more"...ad nauseam. The proverbial "transparency" is a rabbit hole.
AFAIC what was odd were the voices "expecting" @AsciLab to post this or that in order for them to make a decision. With all that's already been shared - which is a ton more than other manufacturers do anywhere - it's been a bit surprising to see this. Was a case of "here are the measurements" followed by "good. Now show me more", "there you go", "good. Now show me more"...ad nauseam. The proverbial "transparency" is a rabbit hole.
Your standpoint is not comprehensible.
It would have been completely okay if it was clearly announced at the beginning of the pre-ordering phase.
It was not.
Ascilab reacted prompt to complaints and corrected their mistake. This is absolutely exemplary and - again - I thank them for doing that!
At this point I really suspect some AI disguised as users.. maybe I'm paranoid but the way users picked up arguments from posters before made me thinking.
@AsciLab: I don't know if this was covered in previous posts... What is the max. input level for analog RCA and XLR and the sensitivity of the speaker for a given input level (incl. digital input)?
E.g.:
max. input level XLR = x dBu;
acoustic output level = y dB SPL @ 1m @ z dBu input level
What is the max. acoustic output level @ 0 dBFS digital input level?
Is there a inbuilt user settable master volume and/or volume limiter?
Please excuse the maybe silly questions, however, I am not experienced with the Fusion plateamp, and manufacturers like Neumann or Genelec provide such information. This information makes it easier to plan proper level matching with existing active speakers (e.g. subwoofers) and connection to audio interfaces.
E.g.:
max. input level XLR = x dBu;
acoustic output level = y dB SPL @ 1m @ z dBu input level
What is the max. acoustic output level @ 0 dBFS digital input level?
Is there a inbuilt user settable master volume and/or volume limiter?
Please excuse the maybe silly questions, however, I am not experienced with the Fusion plateamp, and manufacturers like Neumann or Genelec provide such information. This information makes it easier to plan proper level matching with existing active speakers (e.g. subwoofers) and connection to audio interfaces.
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