AsciLab speakers are about to launch

[Matt_Holland]

Sure, and they should have probably done so (and maybe they have, and this is what it comes to). What leaves an especially bad taste is that as an EU resident you are excluded from direct order. If we could make a choice of direct ordering, or buying from the EU distributor with the benefits that has (easier warranty handling, 14 day mandatory return rights, for example), this would be a non-issue.

But no dealer/distributor would take on a brand that competes directly with them at a lower price.

 

[Mort]

What would be the common causes of higher overhead in this business for a dealer with no retail listening space vs a dealer with only an online presence and, apparently, less hands on customer service?

Uh, one word. France.

 

[sqrl]

Sure, and they should have probably done so (and maybe they have, and this is what it comes to). What leaves an especially bad taste is that as an EU resident you are excluded from direct order. If we could make a choice of direct ordering, or buying from the EU distributor with the benefits that has (easier warranty handling, 14 day mandatory return rights, for example), this would be a non-issue.

If we could make a choice of direct ordering, or buying from the EU distributor with the benefits that has (easier warranty handling, 14 day mandatory return rights, for example), this would be a non-issue.
Ascilab is providing a '30 day return in original condition for full refund minus round trip shipping' policy for direct customers. In case anyone thinks their terms and conditions are actually worse than a 14 day right of return.

 

[slaweks]

Uh, one word. France.

 

[napfkuchen]

Not to mention.. 1000 bucks "overhead". And we have to assume audiophonics gets the product CHEAPER than an ordinary international customer, too. It's not like the UK distributor makes no profit. That would be insane.

In my setup, I don't think the C8C+BX8C combo would be a significant upgrade in terms of measurements; room acoustics could certainly yield better results. What's the problem with ordering from Purite Audio, or is that not possible due territorial distributor restrictions?
The approximately €1000 overhead is not really significant compared to competing products. The Genelec 8341a+w371a costs around €23,000, the Kii Audio BXT more than €30,000, the Sigberg Audio Manta Sub €25,000, and the Saranna €21,500. Sigberg uses the same plate amplifiers as Ascilab, and the coaxial driver costs less than €100 wholesale... So in absolute terms, the price/performance ratio of Ascilab — regardless of the distributor — is by far better than that of the competition.

 

[Mort]

So in absolute terms, the price/performance ratio of Ascilab — regardless of the distributor — is by far better than that of the competition.

Except we now know they are cheaper elsewhere and we can't get that out of our heads. Anchoring.

 

[slaweks]

Except we now know they are cheaper elsewhere and we can't get that out of our heads. Anchoring.

 

[Matias]

Except we now know they are cheaper elsewhere and we can't get that out of our heads. Anchoring.

Maybe you should smuggle them from another country outside the EU... What a situation to be in...

 

[slaweks]

Maybe you should smuggle them from another country outside the EU... What a situation to be in...

A weekend trip to London?

 

[RexrothPigeon]

here where ascilabs is based, we're used to everything imported costing at least twice as much as it does in the US and/or Europe, so shrug emoji

 

[Morla]

What's the problem with ordering from Purite Audio, or is that not possible due territorial distributor restrictions?
The approximately €1000 overhead is not really significant compared to competing products.

#1 afaik EU cannot order from UK distributor?

#2 And not to be nitpicking here but it's actually more than then the 1000€ if you take the c8c+bx8c pair. The 1000€ is just the c8c. So we are talking 10570€ shipping included versus 13228€ without shipping.

If 3k+ is no money for you that's ok.
Now that reseller who happens to be the only source for EU customers seems to have such huge expanses that It cannot make the same offer as the UK distributor. That has nothing to do with the quality of the product

 

[staticV3]

@AsciLab
Any idea what could explain these results?


Sources:
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/radiant_acoustics_clarity62/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...eakers-are-about-to-launch.54794/post-2454735

• Ascilab S6B:
  1x 6.5" Purifi Woofer + 2x 8" Purifi PR
• Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2:
  1x 6.5" Purifi Woofer + 2x 6.5" Purifi PR

So the Radiant has smaller radiators and a smaller cabinet (link), and yet pulls ahead in bass distortion by some 10-15dB?

OTOH, it is suspicious how THD on the Radiant is basically unaffected between 86 and 96dB. Perhaps a measurement error?

 

[AsciLab]

@AsciLab
Any idea what could explain these results?
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Sources:
https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/loudspeakers/radiant_acoustics_clarity62/
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...eakers-are-about-to-launch.54794/post-2454735

• Ascilab S6B:
  1x 6.5" Purifi Woofer + 2x 8" Purifi PR
• Radiant Acoustics Clarity 6.2:
  1x 6.5" Purifi Woofer + 2x 6.5" Purifi PR

So the Radiant has smaller radiators and a smaller cabinet (link), and yet pulls ahead in bass distortion by some 10-15dB?

OTOH, it is suspicious how THD on the Radiant is basically unaffected between 86 and 96dB. Perhaps a measurement error?

There are two differences.

1. AFAIK, Erin sets the distortion measurement level with averaged over 300-3000Hz. Then the sensitivity of 6.2 will be 84dB while S6B is 82dB. It makes 6.2 have 2dB lowered at bass range.

2. PR resonance frequency is different. S6B is 30Hz and 6.2 is 35Hz. It means above the 30Hz, S6B active woofer has more longer excursion than 6.2. It is same with A6B(35Hz tuned).

Distortion data have to be compared with absolute plot. Comparing related plot might make misleading. So that’s the reason why we upload our distortion datas with two kinds (absolute/related).

 

[LoyalCui]

I am in China, and my friend bought a c6b on the official website several months ago for only 1145 USD, but now the dealer wants 1685 USD, and the price of the f6b has reached 1200 USD, which is even higher than the c6b. I can't even imagine how pitiful it is to buy from the dealer later, and in fact, the dealer did not do any publicity work in the mainland at all, so that I could not search for whether they were authorized to sell ascilab using google and bing. I don't understand the dealer model.

 

[Pritaudio]

Check out these for comparison:

https://www.presentdayproduction.com/product-page/pdp-mum-8-studio-monitor-pair

Beryllium tweeters. Dome midrange. Hypex amp. Purifi woofer.
Mum 10, mum 8, mum 6.

Also available worldwide.
Based in uk.

 

[Pritaudio]

Is the c8t a 2ohm, 4ohm, 8ohm speaker?

 

[AsciLab]

Is the c8t a 2ohm, 4ohm, 8ohm speaker?

4~8ohm in bass range.

 

[napfkuchen]

#1 afaik EU cannot order from UK distributor?

k, makes sense

#2 And not to be nitpicking here but it's actually more than then the 1000€ if you take the c8c+bx8c pair. The 1000€ is just the c8c. So we are talking 10570€ shipping included versus 13228€ without shipping.

If 3k+ is no money for you that's ok.

Since 9,500 British pounds is approximately 10,890 euros, the difference is less than 2,500 euros. Furthermore, you are not prevented from further negotiating the price with Audiophonics. But you are right about the facts and 3k+ is (unfortunately) money for me. Fortunately, I have no intent of switching gear (gear aquisition syndrome is healed) any time soon.
But whether you like it or not:
Various Ascilab speakers are regularly sold out, so the "problem" doesn't seem to be the pricing. Ascilab appears to offer the most affordable products in this segment (endgame) as well. At most, there might be a temporary price reduction for EU customers. In the long term, price trends only go in one direction.

 

[RexrothPigeon]

Ascilab appears to offer the most affordable products in this segment (endgame)

Really worth repeating: Ascilab measures up with much, much more expensive endgame speakers. Their value proposition is astonishing imo.

 

[Pritaudio]

Is the c8t a 2ohm, 4ohm, 8ohm speaker?

Thank you.
4-8ohm for pairing Amplifier purposes.

Is the 6 inch ceramic midwoofer the same being used in the c6b and active c8c models.
And the force cancelling 8 inch subwoofers either side paper based.