AsciLab @ Purité Audio

[Purité Audio]

Kii THREE versus Dutch&Dutch 8C

As to physics remmeber the Kii's have six drivers, two rear facing units ( like the Dutch&Dutch although I believe the 8C are 8" ) two at the sides and two at the front. Now if you remember how to caluculate the area of a circle.... Kii 3s have 4 woofers at a spec'd 6.5 in. Don't remember the...

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[Grimoire]

Kii THREE versus Dutch&Dutch 8C

As to physics remmeber the Kii's have six drivers, two rear facing units ( like the Dutch&Dutch although I believe the 8C are 8" ) two at the sides and two at the front. Now if you remember how to caluculate the area of a circle.... Kii 3s have 4 woofers at a spec'd 6.5 in. Don't remember the...

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Keith

Kii THREEs speakers placed in same positions,microphones in same positions.



Keith


Normal shit, then.

 

[Dialectic]

I haven’t had the Kii/BXT combination here for several years, were they here when you visited?
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No, the bass bins had not come on the market yet.

 

[pablolie]

I am very hopeful that AsciLab will allow me to represent their new loudspeaker range.
You have seen the measurements here ( see the AsciLab thread).
As a company. they exhibit everything I hold dear, fine, measurement led engineering.

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Keith

Didn't you already? Are they revising their reseller network?

 

[AsciLab]

To help those curious about how cardioid speakers perform in real rooms, I’ll be measuring the BX8C, C8C, and C6B in the same environment and sharing the results.

In addition, since we’re preparing a C8C demo for K-pop composers and engineers here in Korea, we’ll be gathering in-room measurement data across several different spaces. I’ll share that as well once it’s ready.

 

[Grimoire]

To help those curious about how cardioid speakers perform in real rooms, I’ll be measuring the BX8C, C8C, and C6B in the same environment and sharing the results.

In addition, since we’re preparing a C8C demo for K-pop composers and engineers here in Korea, we’ll be gathering in-room measurement data across several different spaces. I’ll share that as well once it’s ready.

Great! I would be great if you would get your UK dealer to do the same.

Even better, get him to deliver the speakers as agreed.

 

[AudioJester]

To help those curious about how cardioid speakers perform in real rooms, I’ll be measuring the BX8C, C8C, and C6B in the same environment and sharing the results.

In addition, since we’re preparing a C8C demo for K-pop composers and engineers here in Korea, we’ll be gathering in-room measurement data across several different spaces. I’ll share that as well once it’s ready.

I shared some poorly taken measurements of my C8C and C8C/BX8C in the main thread. Meant to take some more proper controlled measurements with REW - but have been busy enjoying the speakers too much!

 

[AsciLab]

Great! I would be great if you would get your UK dealer to do the same.

Even better, get him to deliver the speakers as agreed.

I think that, as a dealer carrying not just our brand but several others, opening up comparative measurements could be a burden in one sense or another.
What truly needs to be made public is not the difference between brand’s models, but the difference in in-room response behavior arising from differences in directivity—so we will be the ones to publish that.

We are not in a position to force or dictate the agreement between the customer and dealer in that region. We ask for your understanding. We hope the two of you can reach a smooth arrangement, and if there is anything we can help with, we will gladly do so.

 

[Grimoire]

I think that, as a dealer carrying not just our brand but several others, opening up comparative measurements could be a burden in one sense or another.
What truly needs to be made public is not the difference between brand’s models, but the difference in in-room response behavior arising from differences in directivity—so we will be the ones to publish that.

We are not in a position to force or dictate the agreement between the customer and dealer in that region. We ask for your understanding. We hope the two of you can reach a smooth arrangement, and if there is anything we can help with, we will gladly do so.

There is no smoothing that can be done. The damage was done by him not honouring the agreement between us, I can provide conclusive proof by DM if you would like.

I alerted you to the problems at the time, yet received no help from you, not even a reply.

The shit treatment that I received from your "dealer" means that I cannot buy any of your products again, because he won't provide a decent and previously agreed service, he cancelled the order which I had paid for months earlier, and you won't allow me to buy from anyone else as he is your sole UK dealer.

Imagine my disappointment, when I had already paid for your wonderful speakers and waited months for them! I had already bought appropriate stands and cables, etc, all of which are now useless to me.

 

[AsciLab]

The speaker position is far from the front wall 1.6M.
And speaker to lintening distance is 3M.
C8C,BX8C cardioid extension is that P1(100Hz), P2(50Hz), P3(40Hz).
The excess group delay means it's cancelled out by room reflection.
If there is a peak in excess GD, it means that it can't be fixed by EQ.
So reduced excess GD also means that the room reflection is reduced and can be fixed now.

 

[Grimoire]

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The speaker position is far from the front wall 1.6M.
And speaker to lintening distance is 3M.
C8C,BX8C cardioid extension is that P1(100Hz), P2(50Hz), P3(40Hz).
The excess group delay means it's cancelled out by room reflection.
If there is a peak in excess GD, it means that it can't be fixed by EQ.
So reduced excess GD also means that the room reflection is reduced and can be fixed now.

No mention of where those measurements were taken.

 

[Dialectic]

There is no smoothing that can be done. The damage was done by him not honouring the agreement between us, I can provide conclusive proof by DM if you would like.

I alerted you to the problems at the time, yet received no help from you, not even a reply.

The shit treatment that I received from your "dealer" means that I cannot buy any of your products again, because he won't provide a decent and previously agreed service, he cancelled the order which I had paid for months earlier, and you won't allow me to buy from anyone else as he is your sole UK dealer.

Imagine my disappointment, when I had already paid for your wonderful speakers and waited months for them! I had already bought appropriate stands and cables, etc, all of which are now useless to me.

A customer best avoided.

 

[AsciLab]

No mention of where those measurements were taken.

This is our show room. Where do you think we have those full AsciLab speakers with prototype?

 

[Grimoire]

This is our show room. Where do you think we have those full AsciLab speakers with prototype?

I wouldn't know. But we want the measurements that he claims to have in his own untreated room, which he said he would post, and hasn't.

Not yourmeasurements in your treated room, which we've seen before.

Now please reply to my previous post #770

 

[AsciLab]

I wouldn't know. But we want the measurements that he claims to have in his own untreated room, which he said he would post, and hasn't.

Not you measurements in your treated room, which we've seen before.

Now please reply to my previous post #770

I wrote the reason why I shared the measurements above. It can be an answer for your first claim.

For second we’ll discuss with Keith to find any other way.

 

[Grimoire]

I wrote the reason why I shared the measurements above. It can be an answer for your first claim.

For second we’ll discuss with Keith to find any other way.

Keith is the one who cancelled the order, not me, after he'd received the shipment and I'd paid months before. I do not trust him, and with good reason.

 

[zonk]

I had them on a desk about 160x100 cm on either side of a monitor. Just plonked them down, only while I was waiting for BX8Cs for living room. Sitting back from the desk OK, working at desk, I'd have wanted them behind the desk.

Can you post a picture of that desk setup?

 

[goat76]

I think that, as a dealer carrying not just our brand but several others, opening up comparative measurements could be a burden in one sense or another.
What truly needs to be made public is not the difference between brand’s models, but the difference in in-room response behavior arising from differences in directivity—so we will be the ones to publish that.

@Purité Audio doesn't have to make comparative measurements between different brands; it’s completely okay to keep his comparative measurements of only AsciLab speakers as this thread is about AsciLab speakers at Purité Audio.

It's nice to see your in-room measurements from your demo room. At least we have something to look at while waiting for the promised in-room measurements from Keith and his room, which looks more like a normal-sized living room with the speakers positioned closer to the boundaries.

 

[Purité Audio]

Patience is a virtue, I have been waiting for ATC to publish measurements of their speakers for decades.
Below are AsciLab’s C6B in ‘Modern Grey’, price is £1100.00 per pair inc. vat and delivery.
UK pricing strictly in line with AsciLab.

 

[IngMishael]

A customer best avoided.

not sure I'd even call them a customer lol