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[Cogito]

Both valid opinions, but offering the option tends to increase costs, because inventory has to be manufactured and held for each color option, or color options have to be applied on demand / JIT, which is more expensive than just doing them all at once. This is why you see the same "safe" colors from almost every small manufacturer where fashionability is not the point.

Nobody ever got fired for shipping the black colorway first, white second, grey third, blue fourth...

Variety definitely sells. Just like the automobile industry, some color options come at a premium. Imagine a world with just black and white vehicles...

 

[Grotti]

Variety definitely sells. Just like the automobile industry, some color options come at a premium. Imagine a world with just black and white vehicles...

If I look down our street nearly all of the cars are of black, silver and grey colour despite the fact, that they are also available in green, red, yellow, blue colour. Just saying.

 

[Cogito]

I appreciate not having to pay for fancy cosmetics that I don't care about.

If I look down our street nearly all of the cars are of black, silver and grey colour despite the fact, that they are also available in green, red, yellow, blue colour. Just saying.

Wood paneled station wagons were very popular when I was a kid

 

[kemmler3D]

Variety definitely sells. Just like the automobile industry, some color options come at a premium. Imagine a world with just black and white vehicles...

Variety only sells when aesthetics are the deciding factor in a purchase. Otherwise variety just multiplies the manufacturer's inventory cost by the number of colorways they offer. I'd love to see more variety in speaker colors but for most brands and models the economics are prohibitive.

Nobody thinks black and grey are the best possible colors, but experience shows that they are the least objectionable to the most people out there - they don't kill the sale so they're the safe bet.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

Nobody thinks black and grey are the best possible colors...

I do. My top 2 picks, in that order Black or Silver/Grey. I'm a Sonus Faber, gorgeous wood, convert... it was a phase that I went through... lol.

 

[Cogito]

Variety only sells when aesthetics are the deciding factor in a purchase. Otherwise variety just multiplies the manufacturer's inventory cost by the number of colorways they offer. I'd love to see more variety in speaker colors but for most brands and models the economics are prohibitive.

Nobody thinks black and grey are the best possible colors, but experience shows that they are the least objectionable to the most people out there - they don't kill the sale so they're the safe bet.

I would say that MOST speaker manufacturers offer finishes other than the "least objectionable" black and gray. There is a substantial demand for "other" finishes. While I'd like to believe that sound quality is the most important reason to choose one speaker over another, many find aesthetics to be important too.

 

[kemmler3D]

I would say that MOST speaker manufacturers offer finishes other than the "least objectionable" black and gray. There is a substantial demand for "other" finishes. While I'd like to believe that sound quality is the most important reason to choose one speaker over another, many find aesthetics to be important too.

Oh, yes, I don't mean to imply other finishes are a bad idea or that aesthetics aren't make or break for many sales. The only reason I have LS60s and not something else is the blue color was deemed "cute" by the 'design committee'.

But as a rule of thumb manufacturers will go with basic colors first until they have reason to believe they can sell through that color as well as some others. It's costly to have units sitting around that don't move, so introducing other colors is a bit of a risk unless looks are a key part of the offering.

 

[Esprit]

many find aesthetics to be important too.

Matte black is perfect

 

[Cogito]

Matte black is perfect

Yuck! For a subwoofer, maybe...

 

[Deleted member 43957]

Absolute Black easily becomes invisible. I wonder if anyone offers that as an option. The paint itself is pretty expensive. "

• Vantablack: A substance composed of vertically aligned carbon nanotubes that absorbs up to 99.965% of visible light, making it one of the darkest man-made substances known. Its ability to absorb light is so high that objects coated in it can appear two-dimensional or like a void.

 

[Esprit]

Yuck! For a subwoofer, maybe...

When watching movies or TV shows, the speakers need to disappear from view and not reflect light...

 

[Cogito]

When watching movies or TV shows, the speakers need to disappear from view and not reflect light...

My subwoofer has a matte black finsh. It's way too big to dissapear into the room. In fact, it's pretty much an eyesore. If it had a nice wood veneer, I could at least disquise it as an big end-table.

 

[WeekendWarrior]

@SCPB1967 how does your LA90D get on with the C6B, given their low sensitivity?

Comparing the C6B with the A6B, the main difference seems to be low end extension. Would adding a sub to the C6B get them close to the A6B, or am I missing something important in the data.

Finally @AsciLab what about speaker stands. Are you making any, or have any recommendations?

 

[AsciLab]

@SCPB1967 how does your LA90D get on with the C6B, given their low sensitivity?

Comparing the C6B with the A6B, the main difference seems to be low end extension. Would adding a sub to the C6B get them close to the A6B, or am I missing something important in the data.

Finally @AsciLab what about speaker stands. Are you making any, or have any recommendations?

A6B has better midrange too. And If you use subwoofer, I’d like to recommend to use stereo subs with higher crossover like 100~120Hz.

And I start to feel a bit sick of seeing someone saying C6B is low sensitivity.
It is moderate or mean sensitivity amongst 6” woofer bookshelf.

Well, there are a lot of speaker stands.
I recommend heavy and no baffle extending shape stand.

 

[WeekendWarrior]

A6B has better midrange too. And If you use subwoofer, I’d like to recommend to use stereo subs with higher crossover like 100~120Hz.

And I start to feel a bit sick of seeing someone saying C6B is low sensitivity.
It is moderate or mean sensitivity amongst 6” woofer bookshelf.

Well, there are a lot of speaker stands.
I recommend heavy and no baffle extending shape stand.

Thanks for your reply.

About sensitivity, I was picking up on comments suggesting that a "meaty" amplifier was required, noting that the LA90D is relatively low powered, and querying if that would be sufficient.

Fortunately I have two subs, and I'm looking forward to partnering them with either your C6Bs, or maybe A6Bs.

 

[AsciLab]

Thanks for your reply.

About sensitivity, I was picking up on comments suggesting that a "meaty" amplifier was required, noting that the LA90D is relatively low powered, and querying if that would be sufficient.

Fortunately I have two subs, and I'm looking forward to partnering them with either your C6Bs, or maybe A6Bs.

It has a bit lower impedance, but required wattage is not that huge. For example, we tested PA5II to drive C5B and C6B to the maximum output. It was not that big different with C298 Purifi Amp. LA90 would be enough to drive them.

 

[WeekendWarrior]

It has a bit lower impedance, but required wattage is not that huge. For example, we tested PA5II to drive C5B and C6B to the maximum output. It was not that big different with C298 Purifi Amp. LA90 would be enough to drive them.

Thanks again, and I appreciate (as I'm sure other forum members do), you taking time to answer us!

Can I just clarify, when you say the LA90D will drive them are you referring to the C6B, the A6B or both (to moderate levels of around 80dB at 2.5 metres) supported by a pair of active subs.

 

[AsciLab]

Thanks again, and I appreciate (as I'm sure other forum members do), you taking time to answer us!

Can I just clarify, when you say the LA90D will drive them are you referring to the C6B, the A6B or both (to moderate levels of around 80dB at 2.5 metres) supported by a pair of active subs.

To driver A6B fully enough I’d like to recommend to use more than 200W power amp.

 

[OnAir]

Yuck! For a subwoofer, maybe...

Ascilab already made a matte black subwoofer

 

[Cogito]

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Ascilab already made a matte black subwoofer

That would look so much nicer in a glossy olive burl finish!