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[Purité Audio]

Is a ‘y’ plug what I would call a ‘spade’ a ‘U’ shaper connector with two legs?
The terminals on the C6B ( and other passive AsciLab designs) are completely standard, so you can use bananas, spades, bare wire whatever you like.
I made up some cables with banana connectors.
Keith

 

[cusx]

Is a ‘y’ plug what I would call a ‘spade’ a ‘U’ shaper connector with two legs?

Yup.

The terminals on the C6B ( and other passive AsciLab designs) are completely standard, so you can use bananas, spades, bare wire whatever you like.

Oh, got it! Thank you. This is my first pair of passive speakers, lots to learn. Is there a name for this standard terminal?

 

[Purité Audio]

I expect there is but I don’t know it!
It is just designed to fit most methods of termination, and ubiquitous, occasionally you see a design which will only accept bananas.
Keith

 

[NTK]

Yup.


Oh, got it! Thank you. This is my first pair of passive speakers, lots to learn. Is there a name for this standard terminal?

It's often called 5 way speaker binding posts.

Ultimate Guide to 5 Way Binding Post: Uses & Installation

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[Matt_Holland]

Yup.


Oh, got it! Thank you. This is my first pair of passive speakers, lots to learn. Is there a name for this standard terminal?

Binding Post is a common name. Sometimes known Multi-way Binding Posts.

 

[Langestijn]

Well, I got my C6Bs a few months ago but am still waiting for the grills (I'm in the UK)! Between us we have a complete set, although I think I've got the better outcome.

Good luck, I'm sure you'll think they're worth the wait when you get them.

You sure have the better deal haha. I hope the wait isn't that long anymore

 

[The French]

I think they are overrated, it's a simple two way bookshelf nothing more, nothing less.

What do you mean by overrated ?
You can't overrate measurements.

And their measurements are exceptionnaly goods regarding their prices.

On a more subjectives side, the two persons I know who were lucky enough to already have a pair, are both stunned.
One I barely know.
The other being the kind of person who kinda hates ASR, because he, for years, blindly thought higher quality goes with higher prices. Until now.

 

[Purité Audio]

Admittedly a very small sample but everyone has been delighted with the AsciLab loudspeakers and we haven’t had one pair returned which is in my experience highly unusual.
Actually one customer borrowed a pair and didn’t purchase he said their bass interacted with his room, I did offer to visit and REW.
Purely personally I really like the timbre/tonal balance, the sound they make, just beautifully balanced.
Keith

 

[Marin]

What do you mean by overrated ?
You can't overrate measurements.

And their measurements are exceptionnaly goods regarding their prices.

On a more subjectives side, the two persons I know who were lucky enough to already have a pair, are both stunned.
One I barely know.
The other being the kind of person who kinda hates ASR, because he, for years, blindly thought higher quality goes with higher prices. Until now.

Yes it measured very well, some say so well that the sound is kind of "plastic".
I love messures as much as the next guy, but we don't look with our ears....
You need to look for bass extension, and sensitivity... which is not good, also I think Erin measured this bass, midrange and it has 3mm linear XMAX,so not much headroom...
Maybe because I am from Europe and we don't see much value in book shelf even if we live in small apartments.

 

[Roy_D]

Considering purchasing the F6B to replace my Kef Q100, but having dusted off my old Kef Q60 this week and really enjoying them again I wonder how the low end compares.
8" woofer on the Q60 w forward firing bassport vs 6" and rear passive radiator of the F6B and the more sizable cabinet of the Q60.. These Q60's are so old I can't find a single graph of them out there just general specs XD
Anyone?

 

[Purité Audio]

Yes it measured very well, some say so well that the sound is kind of "plastic".
I love messures as much as the next guy, but we don't look with our ears....
You need to look for bass extension, and sensitivity... which is not good, also I think Erin measured this bass, midrange and it has 3mm linear XMAX,so not much headroom...
Maybe because I am from Europe and we don't see much value in book shelf even if we live in small apartments.

Neutral, natural, well balanced, dynamic, transparent, as far as I am aware no one has described their sound as ‘plastic’!
Keith

 

[MarkS]

as far as I am aware no one has described their sound as ‘plastic’!

It has happened:

For AsciLab, I didn't like the choice of the bass driver in the C6B(too weak, just like the BMR Monitor V2; same driver, I believe), the tonality was a bit plasticy/artificial/off compared to Sierra-1 V2, and the rough, plastic cabinet was quite goofy.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-speakers-recommendations.68073/#post-2467971

 

[Matt34]

It has happened:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-speakers-recommendations.68073/#post-2467971

I believe that is the same person that did a YT video, one of the strangest subjective takes on known quality speakers I’ve seen in recent memory.

 

[ScottySmallsMom]

does a slight bump ~5.5kHz == plastic? Staring at the frequency response for the C6B and struggling to see where plastic lives

 

[The French]

Yes it measured very well, some say so well that the sound is kind of "plastic".
I love messures as much as the next guy, but we don't look with our ears....
You need to look for bass extension, and sensitivity... which is not good, also I think Erin measured this bass, midrange and it has 3mm linear XMAX,so not much headroom...
Maybe because I am from Europe and we don't see much value in book shelf even if we live in small apartments.

Your comment looks like what we were reading on audio forums 15 or 20 years ago.
Totally subjective, with a bit of generalisation, and a bit of nonsense.

They measure so well they sound plastic. What kind of argument is that ?
Have you got any links where we could read that ?
Because I've indeed read they looks plastic (I've said that myself), I've never read they sound plastic.
And how on earth good measures could ever lead to a plasticy sound ? It makes absolutly no sense, unless you want to find an argument without having one.

If we don't look with our ears, we also know that our ears are really bad are being objectives.
If they were, the Audiophile industry wouldn't be the scamming world it is for so long.

Regarding bass extention, most bookshelves speakers are limited, and need a sub to cover full range.
These makes no exception

You are talking about Erin's measurements, pointing our 1 possible downside.
You seems to totally dismissed what he says about them. "Game Changer". Better than speakers 2, 3, 4 and even 5 times to cost.

Your comments really reminds me of comments from importers and resellers, those I was reading 20 years ago, when the first Chinese products started to hit the western markets. With absolutly no objectivity at all.

I'm also from Europ, I live in a house, have both tower speakers and bookshelves speakers.
Don't generalise about Europeans Vs Americans, apartments vs houses.
There are both on each sides of the ocean.

Regarding low sensitivity, yes you need some power. It is a valid argument. But it's not 2005 anymore. Power is really cheap now.

 

[Marin]

Your comment looks like what we were reading on audio forums 15 or 20 years ago.
Totally subjective, with a bit of generalisation, and a bit of nonsense.

They measure so well they sound plastic. What kind of argument is that ?
Have you got any links where we could read that ?
Because I've indeed read they looks plastic (I've said that myself), I've never read they sound plastic.
And how on earth good measures could ever lead to a plasticy sound ? It makes absolutly no sense, unless you want to find an argument without having one.

If we don't look with our ears, we also know that our ears are really bad are being objectives.
If they were, the Audiophile industry wouldn't be the scamming world it is for so long.

Regarding bass extention, most bookshelves speakers are limited, and need a sub to cover full range.
These makes no exception

You are talking about Erin's measurements, pointing our 1 possible downside.
You seems to totally dismissed what he says about them. "Game Changer". Better than speakers 2, 3, 4 and even 5 times to cost.

Your comments really reminds me of comments from importers and resellers, those I was reading 20 years ago, when the first Chinese products started to hit the western markets. With absolutly no objectivity at all.

I'm also from Europ, I live in a house, have both tower speakers and bookshelves speakers.
Don't generalise about Europeans Vs Americans, apartments vs houses.
There are both on each sides of the ocean.

Regarding low sensitivity, yes you need some power. It is a valid argument. But it's not 2005 anymore. Power is really cheap now.

Folks, I'm just expressing my opinion and something I've read.That's all.
I've never heard speakers.
Like many of you, so I believe more a customer than a sailman.
My opinion is that 1100 dollars and more for shipping...is too much for small 6 kilogram box is too much.
And messures can be snaik oil as well as like GR research thick cable and Uber madness...
Small inconsistencies like this(see picture)are inaudible to us humans.
There are no need to chase some audio nirvana 100 db SINAD and "rezolution", come on I am still happy with 1080p blue ray and refuse to go UHD 4k since most movies are filmed and mastered in full HD!
And this is pictures we are talking about...
I am perfectly happy with my Yamaha AVR and cheap Andrew Jones tower of 500 dollars.(Still need small subwoofer...)
All it has to do is have neutral sound and good directivity.
Small inconsistencies like this are inaudible to us humans.
Listen to what magazine Low beats has to say about same sensitivity speaker with 4 Ohm nominal impedance speakers.
"And indeed: the LowBeats test lab measured 83 decibels.
The small nuVero nova 9 achieves a sustained SPL of 103 dB, and with a dynamic music signal it reaches 115 dB. Both figures are good, but pushing them to the limit requires amplifiers capable of delivering over 250W per channel (into 4 ohms). For this we used our two Cambridge Audio 840W amplifiers from our reference range, which, bridged as monoblocks, can deliver almost 500W. It It was a perfect match.

Since the impedance and phase response of the nuVero nova 9 are so linear and tolerant, Nubert also suggests tube amplifiers. So why not? But it should also have enough s With a power output of around 20 watts, you won't get far with the nuVero nova 9.
So you see people has to know about these things, not just because of love for tube amps but because my Yamaha is rated 100 watts per channel,I think Amirm measured 120 watts 8 Ohms loud and not much more with 4 Ohm's so no power is not cheap.

 

[Purité Audio]

I wouldn’t believe anyone as everyone has an agenda but I do believe in corroborated measurements .
Keith

 

[Matt34]

Folks, I'm just expressing my opinion and something I've read.That's all.
I've never heard speakers.
Like many of you, so I believe more a customer than a sailman.
My opinion is that 1100 dollars and more for shipping...is too much for small 6 kilogram box is too much.
And messures can be snaik oil as well as like GR research thick cable and Uber madness...
I am perfectly happy with my Yamaha AVR and cheap Andrew Jones tower of 500 dollars.
All it has to do is have neutral sound and good directivity.
Small inconsistencies like this are inaudible to us humans.
Listen to what magazine Low beats has to say about same sensitivity speaker with 4 Ohm nominal impedance speakers.
"And indeed: the LowBeats test lab measured 83 decibels.
The small nuVero nova 9 achieves a sustained SPL of 103 dB, and with a dynamic music signal it reaches 115 dB. Both figures are good, but pushing them to the limit requires amplifiers capable of delivering over 250W per channel (into 4 ohms). For this we used our two Cambridge Audio 840W amplifiers from our reference range, which, bridged as monoblocks, can deliver almost 500W. It It was a perfect match.

Since the impedance and phase response of the nuVero nova 9 are so linear and tolerant, Nubert also suggests tube amplifiers. So why not? But it should also have enough s With a power output of around 20 watts, you won't get far with the nuVero nova 9.
So you see people has to know about these things, not just because of love for tube amps but because my Yamaha is rated 100 watts per channel,I think Amirm measured 120 watts 8 Ohms loud and not much more with 4 Ohm's so no power is not

Yes some of us do own them, along with many other well regarded speakers. No, they don’t sound or measure like plastic. They do however, push the envelope of what’s possible with state of the art measurement technology and a real understanding of psychoacoustics.

 

[Marin]

Mislim da je to ista osoba koja je snimila YT video, jedan od najčudnijih subjektivnih pogleda na poznate kvalitetne zvučnike koje sam vidio u posl.

Da, neki od nas ih posjeduju, zajedno s mnogim drugim cijenjenim zvučnicima. Ne, ne zvuče niti se mjere kao plastični. Međutim, pomiču granice onoga što je moguće uz najsuvremeniju tehnologiju mjerenja i stvarno razumijevanje psihoakustike.

Are you opening a store or something...

 

[RexrothPigeon]

I am perfectly happy with my Yamaha AVR and cheap Andrew Jones tower of 500 dollars.(Still need small subwoofer...)

ah, that avr sounds terrible, way too much like Bakelite, and that speaker--especially without a subwoofer--sounds like corrougated cardboard slathered in a thin layer of turkey gravy. Overrated.

(see? anyone can play this dumb game!)