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Ascilab C8C Active Speaker Review

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Kiis are pretty much full-range anyway and of course they have their own dedicated sub-modules albeit at a price.
Keith
yeah but pretty much any speaker can benefit from subwoofers

and that's what im saying, they sell their own sub modules which are ludicrously expensive. No wonder people hate subwoofers/chasing sub freqs when getting sub bass is so expensive.
 
yeah but pretty much any speaker can benefit from subwoofers

and that's what im saying, they sell their own sub modules which are ludicrously expensive. No wonder people hate subwoofers/chasing sub freqs when getting sub bass is so expensive.

Not necessarily at all.

Decent subs and DSP for room integration is no longer super expensive.
 
yeah but pretty much any speaker can benefit from subwoofers

and that's what im saying, they sell their own sub modules which are ludicrously expensive. No wonder people hate subwoofers/chasing sub freqs when getting sub bass is so expensive.
As I understand the Kii as well as the Ascilab bass module is much more than a subwoofer.
 
As I understand the Kii as well as the Ascilab bass module is much more than a subwoofer.
yea but the other bloke said the delay is so bad it's hard to integrate, seems like intentionally made to be annoying for a consumer to get anything outside of the company's portfolio
 
Kii I believe see their products as a complete system within itself, speakers/BXT subs/ controller just add source.
Again I believe they are aiming at the B&O customer demographic.
Keith
 
Not necessarily at all.

Decent subs and DSP for room integration is no longer super expensive.
firstly i was talking about kii, ascilab, genelec, etc. who have their proprietary subs that are multiple times more expensive, any reasonable person is going to always look at the same offerings from the company first.

Secondly, dsp is still really hard to find for cheap, for no reason whatsoever. Bass management for example is only available in a few things and only the Wiim Ultra/Wiim Amp Ultra have proper EQ + bass management for a reasonable price. What else is there? the Minidsp stuff dont measure as well as alternatives, cost more and are more barebones usually.

It's still all unnecessarily difficult to have proper dsp for cheap. A Topping mini300 + smsl su-1 are great stuff for 2.0 channel listening, but just to add a sub and integrate you need to spend triple the amount more overall, not to mention getting a mic AND a subwoofer.
 
yea but the other bloke said the delay is so bad it's hard to integrate, seems like intentionally made to be annoying for a consumer to get anything outside of the company's portfolio
Only if you try to mix and match LP and MP filters.
Which you do not do when building a 3-way as is C8C and its bass module (different animals than just plain subs and satellites, and different use) .
 
Kii BXTs are £14k a pair, AsciLabs BX8C are £5k not quite in the same bracket.
Keith
 
The stand is rated for 35kg load, 10kg over the C8C weight.
Yes. I checked the specs after commenting! The tripod base looks reasonably wide, but overall it's only 4.68kg. My main concern would be the tipping moment/point. For a studio setup, stands like that are ideal, but for a home setup I would want some very heavy stands.
 
yea but the other bloke said the delay is so bad it's hard to integrate, seems like intentionally made to be annoying for a consumer to get anything outside of the company's portfolio
If you want cardioid and phase corrected response, then high latency is the unavoidable trade off. That has nothing to do with OEM lockdown or the like.

For those that can't manage the delay, the Three has a Minimum phase setting which removes it:
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Nothing nefarious going on here.
 
Yes. I checked the specs after commenting! The tripod base looks reasonably wide, but overall it's only 4.68kg. My main concern would be the tipping moment/point. For a studio setup, stands like that are ideal, but for a home setup I would want some very heavy stands.
It wobbles slightly if nudged. I’ve been using it for over a month without any issues, but I wouldn’t recommend it if you frequently walk near the speakers.
 
Can you please elaborate on that? I thought that high frequencies have a higher absorption at increasing distances so at these where sound power/off-axis start to play a bigger role such a behaviour would be counterproductive?
Directivity / size (area) of HF radiator compensates absorption to long distances. Larger domes, rings, planars, HF line arrays etc. "cut the air" to longer distance and reduce reflections acoustic keeping resolution up. Too steep tilt in power is also bad due to limited listening area so we should know or find suitable compromise especially if listening distance is not fixed.

Maybe you already have searched the message I referred, but here is a bit longer replay:
Frequency response of human ear depends on direction. Relative level of high frequencies varies quite much when sound source moves from 0 to 80 deg. 0 deg is the center speaker or listening test in mono in front of single speaker. Angle of default/fixed listening triangle in stereo is usually ca. 50 deg. Some speakers and listeners tolerate more, and some less because physical tolerance and preference is personal.
Close to ideal constant directivity i.e. horizontal flat directivity index is not the most usable in stereo if listening distance is not constant but speakers are at fixed locations and aimed to the longest common listening point. Some day you may want to listen at the far point to relax and avoid "too high" acoustic resolution causing brain-tiring, or long distance suits for some genres or recordings. Some other day you move the chair much much closer to enjoy full acoustic resolution and envelopment. In that case HF would be clearly emphasized with constant directivity speakers, without new aiming or EQ. Too high relative subjective level at HF increases the risk of sound stage collapsing. Especially with conventional speakers with sharp edges having diffraction problems. Also timing error (long excess group delay at LF...MF) increases the risk for sound stage collapsing with multi-ways. Larger heavily rounded and actual half space concept can be quite close to zero diffraction system. It can be fun experience to listen close to perfect balance and sound stage, head almost between the speakers. For example constant directivity at LF...MF + conventional 1" dome without wave guide and minimal diffraction concept can do that trick.

We have also seen many kind of room correction target curves. Harman's and dirac etc. Most of those have some level drop at HF. 11 listeners (below) should not override anyone's personal preference but room curves commonly dropping at HF indicate that too constant directivity up to 20k may not be the most adaptable option especially without tilting on-axis down. Tilt in factory setting could be difficult to explain to potential customers, and questionable/subjective judgements and conclusions in reviews don't help.
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yea but the other bloke said the delay is so bad it's hard to integrate, seems like intentionally made to be annoying for a consumer to get anything outside of the company's portfolio
You're mixing your apples and oranges. It was clear to me the kii owner was referring to subs not bass modules. I doubt any Kii owner or ascilab c8c owner would refer to the bass modules as subs.
Although there is a small overlap of functionality, producing sound at less than 80hz, there is significant additional functional capabilities with the bass modules. Much different (higher and wider) frequencies let alone the cardioid functionality. Imho, much less to do with locking out the end user from matching their own subs vs delivering the cardioid functionality below the monitor.
My $0.02. I could be wrong.
 
Only if you try to mix and match LP and MP filters.
Which you do not do when building a 3-way as is C8C and its bass module (different animals than just plain subs and satellites, and different use) .
was talking about the kii speaker
 
You're mixing your apples and oranges. It was clear to me the kii owner was referring to subs not bass modules. I doubt any Kii owner or ascilab c8c owner would refer to the bass modules as subs.
Although there is a small overlap of functionality, producing sound at less than 80hz, there is significant additional functional capabilities with the bass modules. Much different (higher and wider) frequencies let alone the cardioid functionality. Imho, much less to do with locking out the end user from matching their own subs vs delivering the cardioid functionality below the monitor.
My $0.02. I could be wrong.
pretty sure either you or he was wrong
 
If you want cardioid and phase corrected response, then high latency is the unavoidable trade off. That has nothing to do with OEM lockdown or the like.

For those that can't manage the delay, the Three has a Minimum phase setting which removes it:
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Nothing nefarious going on here.
hm yeah i remember there being a different filter for that

i read up on erin's post and there seems to be a negligible difference in low end performance if one has a subwoofer, was the other guy misinformed then?
 
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