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AsciLab C5B Review.

Nuyes

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Today, I’ll be reviewing the AsciLab C5B, which features a 5.25-inch woofer along with two passive radiators.

For this review, I measured one official sample provided by the manufacturer and another pair owned by an individual who had purchased the product personally.






Impedance
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The impedance drops as low as approximately **2.2 ohms** at its minimum.

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Frequency Response

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Before delving into the frequency response graph, there’s an important matter to address.

As I reside in the same country (South Korea) as the manufacturer, I was able to obtain a reference sample directly from AsciLab to ensure an accurate comparison with their official performance data. Fortunately, the manufacturer was generous and promptly agreed to this request.

However, an issue arose during the measurement process: the frequency response curve I obtained showed significant discrepancies compared to the manufacturer’s official data, especially in the high-frequency range.

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Given that the manufacturer uses Klippel’s NFS system, this discrepancy was concerning.

I immediately reached out to them, and they were incredibly cooperative. This collaboration allowed us to:
1. Compare the responses of my microphone against theirs.
2. Verify the NFS measurements using my microphone.

The results were enlightening:

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I was able to overlay the curve measured with my microphone (red) onto the curve measured with the NFS system using my microphone (black). This reassured me of the validity of my measurement method.

It turns out my microphone exhibited a slight attenuation in the high frequencies, while their microphone showed a slight boost. Both microphones were within Earthworks' trusted tolerance range but were coincidentally skewed in opposite directions.

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After compensating for the relative differences between the two microphones, the resulting curve closely aligns with the manufacturer’s performance specifications.

I’ve taken the time to explain this situation in detail, as it is crucial for understanding the context. Now, let’s return to the main discussion.

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The overall balance is remarkably flat, with the bass slope gently tapering off around 40Hz. This suggests the speaker is capable of delivering substantial low-frequency extension in typical indoor settings.

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Nearfield Measurement
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Each component performs its role cleanly, without any signs of resonance or unwanted artifacts. The crossover point is estimated to be around 1kHz, which is quite low. Achieving durability and sound quality at this frequency would require high-quality materials and advanced design expertise. It’s worth evaluating the distortion performance in this context.

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Directivity
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The horizontal directivity is outstanding. The transition between the tweeter and the woofer is exceptionally smooth, with no noticeable crossover artifacts. Additionally, diffraction caused by the enclosure shape is well-managed. Truly impressive.


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The vertical directivity is nothing short of stunning. Despite being a two-way design and not utilizing a coaxial structure, the drastically lowered crossover point has resulted in an exceptional vertical dispersion pattern.

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Beamwidth
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Beamwidth remains consistent and smooth across both horizontal and vertical planes.

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Polar Plot
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The polar plots reveal smooth and uniform attenuation across all directions, both horizontal and vertical. This naturally leads to a soft and even directivity index (DI).

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THD
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No audible distortion or uncomfortable harmonic distortion (HD) artifacts were observed. The results are exceptionally clean.

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In the lower midrange and below, the second harmonic predominates. For high SPL applications, pairing the speaker with a subwoofer would likely yield better results. Above approximately 600Hz, harmonic distortion becomes almost negligible, to the point of being virtually unobservable. Despite concerns about the tweeter’s behavior due to the low crossover point, it performed flawlessly, demonstrating incredible robustness.

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95dB SPL (@1m)
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Multitone Test
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There is a noticeable rise in distortion just before the crossover frequency. Beyond that, the performance of the tweeter’s range is highly impressive.

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Compression Test
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Compression performance is also exceptionally stable.

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Deviation Between Two Samples
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The deviation measurements are based on the data from the pair provided by the individual owner.
Aside from minor sensitivity differences, the speakers demonstrate an exceptional level of pair matching, pushing the boundaries of what is achievable in passive speaker design.

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The most remarkable aspect of the C5B is its ability to maintain impressively low distortion levels despite lowering the crossover point between the woofer and tweeter to around 1.1kHz. This achievement is a testament to the thoughtful design. It’s a true triumph of engineering.
 
It's remarkable for such a small speaker to do 96dB at such low distortion starting fairly low (not the lowest,physics are at play still)
It's compression test doubles that.

Thanks Nuyes!
 
Hi @Nuyes thank you for your excellent work. I do have a few questions.

1. How would you judge the accuracy of your THD measurements? I noticed some oscillation in the frequency response for the fundamental in the THD measurement which are not there for the on-axis response (different gating/reconstruction I think), would it impact the resulting THD measurements?

2. In the Multi-tone response, you have a very high Q suck out at 780 Hz, and a corresponding rise in in the distortion figure. What is the cause for this suck out, this looks to be a measurement artefact as the frequency response is very flat in that region. Unless it's the tweeter? Fs is at 690 Hz, and at 790 Hz, it's only 10 dB down from reference.

3. Unrelated to measurement considerations, what physical phenomenon leads to a speaker playing louder than reference at higher volume over an extended range, intuitively, it would play lower if it's not able to handle high volumes. For example, the C5B play 0.5 dB to 1 dB louder in the 100-1500 Hz range than in the trebles at 96 dB, it's not a resonance considering the width of the range, so why is it louder?

Also, any listening impressions? I can't say I've ever heard that kind of dispersion characteristic, KEF is the closest in term of narrower horizontal but wider vertical dispersion, but KEF has a more tilted slope towards the trebles. Genelec coax are also fairly close, but they are coaxial.
 
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Thank you Nuyes excellent work as always.
Keith
 
I am now really, really excited to see tests of the Purifi models….

Great work all around.
 
Looks alright.

Only real concern is multitone distortion is pretty high at moderate levels in the midrange (up around 5% at 85dB/1m at 500hz).

I hope they have some sort of limiter on the tweeter or else that 1khz crossover point might prove hazardous to its continued function even with that deep waveguide doing a bunch of LF reinforcement.

3. Unrelated to measurement considerations, what physical phenomenon leads to a speaker playing louder than reference at higher volume over an extended range, intuitively, it would play lower if it's not able to handle high volumes. For example, the C5B play 0.5 dB to 1 dB louder in the 100-1500 Hz range than in the trebles at 96 dB, it's not a resonance considering the width of the range, so why is it louder?
You're reading the chart backwards (not on you, Klippel doesn't lay this chart out in an intuitive way at all) - it's compressing by about a dB.
 
Looks alright.

Only real concern is multitone distortion is pretty high at moderate levels in the midrange (up around 5% at 85dB/1m at 500hz).

I hope they have some sort of limiter on the tweeter or else that 1khz crossover point might prove hazardous to its continued function even with that deep waveguide doing a bunch of LF reinforcement.


You're reading the chart backwards (not on you, Klippel doesn't lay this chart out in an intuitive way at all) - it's compressing by about a dB.
Regarding the compression, that makes sense.

Regarding IMD, I do have questions, 500 Hz is about where the Schroeder frequency is in many rooms. As far as I'm aware, do correct me if I'm wrong, the multitone signal used to test distortion isn't a fast signal that can be gated before the reflections come into play. Same goes for the THD measurements and the sine sweep.

I don't know how Klippel does it actually. Haven't read it.
 
Hi @Nuyes thank you for your excellent work. I do have a few questions.

1. How would you judge the accuracy of your THD measurements? I noticed some oscillation in the frequency response for the fundamental in the THD measurement which are not there for the on-axis response (different gating/reconstruction I think), would it impact the resulting THD measurements?

2. In the Multi-tone response, you have a very high Q suck out at 780 Hz, and a corresponding rise in in the distortion figure. What is the cause for this suck out, this looks to be a measurement artefact as the frequency response is very flat in that region. Unless it's the tweeter? Fs is at 690 Hz, and at 790 Hz, it's only 10 dB down from reference.

3. Unrelated to measurement considerations, what physical phenomenon leads to a speaker playing louder than reference at higher volume over an extended range, intuitively, it would play lower if it's not able to handle high volumes. For example, the C5B play 0.5 dB to 1 dB louder in the 100-1500 Hz range than in the trebles at 96 dB, it's not a resonance considering the width of the range, so why is it louder?

Also, any listening impressions? I can't say I've ever heard that kind of dispersion characteristic, KEF is the closest in term of narrower horizontal but wider vertical dispersion, but KEF has a more tilted slope towards the trebles. Genelec coax are also fairly close, but they are coaxial.
Thank you for your detailed questions and interest. Let me address them below:

1.Since I measure indoors rather than in an anechoic chamber, I provide various THD plots for a comprehensive view. These include:
  • CHD plots, which calculate relative percentages based on the average level between 100Hz and 10kHz.
  • EIHD (Equivalent Input Harmonic Distortion), which removes the effects of linear distortion, allowing for a more accurate examination of the lower-midrange.
The "some oscillation" you mentioned stems from a dip in the fundamental response due to indoor measurement conditions.


2.The sharp dip error observed in the multitone response is an issue I occasionally encounter.
Klippel’s multitone module, which gradually increases output levels, does not produce signals that are entirely identical to those of the static multitone module.
Unfortunately, I have yet to identify the exact cause of this phenomenon. (It is a measurement-related error.)


3.The "Compression" plot examines the degree of compression.
The further up the Y-axis you go into positive values, the more "compressed" the signal is, meaning it is reproduced at a lower level compared to the reference, not louder.
This is the default setting in Klippel. If you've seen other compression plots (e.g., in Erin’s reviews), it is likely that they have been post-processed differently.
 
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Great speaker, thanks for the review!
 
Thank you for your detailed questions and interest. Let me address them below:

1.Since I measure indoors rather than in an anechoic chamber, I provide various THD plots for a comprehensive view. These include:
  • CHD plots, which calculate relative percentages based on the average level between 100Hz and 10kHz.
  • EIHD (Equivalent Input Harmonic Distortion), which removes the effects of linear distortion, allowing for a more accurate examination of the lower-midrange.
The "some oscillation" you mentioned stems from a dip in the fundamental response due to indoor measurement conditions.


2.The sharp dip error observed in the multitone response is an issue I occasionally encounter.
Klippel’s multitone module, which gradually increases output levels, does not produce signals that are entirely identical to those of the static multitone module.
Unfortunately, I have yet to identify the exact cause of this phenomenon. (It is a measurement-related error.)


3.The "Compression" plot examines the degree of compression.
The further up the Y-axis you go into positive values, the more "compressed" the signal is, meaning it is reproduced at a lower level compared to the reference, not louder.
This is the default setting in Klippel. If you've seen other compression plots (e.g., in Erin’s reviews), it is likely that they have been post-processed differently.


1. I did wonder how you removed the room from the measurement of the distortion. I didn't exactly know that EIHD was. This is quite interesting.
If other people want to read about it, here you go, https://www.klippel.de/products/rd-system/modules/trf-transfer-function-measurement.html

2. Noted, that dip in the signal, and rise in the MD is nothing to worry about.

3. I see, dfuller also corrected me earlier, and yes, it looks like Erin provides two compression plot, one for instantaneous which has "more compression" if the line goes more negative, and a transfer function compression plot which is more like what you have.
 
That's one hell of a tweeter! 1 Khz with low distortion? Wow!
Yeah, and to do to 96db as well! with "what looks to be" just a HP 2nd order roll off, almost unbelievable??.

Cheers George
 
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Well done! Can you provide estimated in room response?
 
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