funny that you brought this up... I recently switched back to emotiva b1 mods (Dennis Murphy version) from jbl530's (horn wave guide) , and that was the very first thing I noticed:wide dispersion , so your thoughts really hold true to my experience...
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Ascend Acoustics Sierra LX Review
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Yeah Im drooling over that right now. I wonder if its worth it to bite the bullet and save up for the elx though.The Ascend Sierra Tower V2 with the Titan Dome tweeter is $3K/pair
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This reminds me of recently when my buddy got a JBL avr with 60wpc. He turned up the dail almost all the way and his speakers klipsch 8000fs started clipping. Now according to most cases, 60wpc should be more than enough for even 100 db on these things, but it wasn't. It's possible something similar happened with Erin and his assessment of the LX. Sierras are rated up to 350 watts at 8 ohm only, but they can drop down to 4 ohms.
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Speakers don't clip; the amplified signal to the speaker can clip (peaks truncated). And I would presume the Klippel NFS would have guardrails against that which would result in invalid data. The impedance of every speaker varies (shown on the spin graphs).
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I don't don't like an ultra wide soundstage, but I am not super crazy over it neither. I am willing to sacrifice some soundstage for razor sharp imaging.
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What speakers offer a good soundstage but with razor sharp imaging?
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We were talking about the Denon 1700NE, not Erin, anyway the data is all there and there were no fact based objections from Dave to my response.
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while i think some people might prefer wide dispersion, there will always be some that don’t.
ELX, broad soundstage, good imaging. Yep, save up for the ELX.
They are incredible in all respects. It's the Sierra LX on steroids (two LX's high excursion 6" bass woofers), same LX mid-woofer with phase plug. You'll need a good amp capable of decent current as ohm dips to just above 3 ohms. I cross over to subs at 70 Hz and stuff the ports but on its own the bass is strong, deep and clean at high volume. Smooth as silk, sweet, for the softest music passages, kicks butt for movies such as Dune at extreme volumes.
Port plugged with closed cell foam.
Plugged (yellow) and unplugged port, in room response. Still measures a strong bass response via ARC's Quick Measurement drill, about 1 foot off the front wall.
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PristineSound
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Neumann has a razor imaging, so sharp it can cut you. Soundstage is good, can be better, but good enough for me.
nothing wrong with that.. i'm just used to wide soundstage and real decent clarity ...the JBL (530) is fun to listen to for a while but every time I go back to the emo's I ask myself "why was I listening to the jbl's? ".. if I had to guess I would think the emo's are very similar to the cbm 170se2's....but I would love to a/b them and see for myself...that's actually on my hobby "to do" list.. I might throw in the sierra 1 v2's or philharmonic ceramic mini's as a "wild card" to see if the next level upgrade is even worth it to me since i'm about 80% interested in SQ only ...my "end game" speaker remains BMR monitors if my situation ever permits...
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I hear you but my wallet is begging me not to.
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What about wide dispersion along with a waveguide like the wharfedale super lintons. Has anybody heard those and can compare to Sierras and Neumans?
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I got things really dialed in, though it required a spot that makes all non-triangle spot listening have boomy bass, and use of a lightweight camp chair and not a regular chair. I need to revise my opinion about using these with a sub 100% of the time.
I did test tracks, I listened for a week, no problems. Sounded good. Bass great of course. A week later things above the bass started to become.... more defined. More stick/mallet strike point definition, for example. So I pulled them out 10' and went no sub and listened. I also broke out a not good pair of 5.5" speakers, just to see if what I remembered about them still held.
For my room, even with a sub, I think a 6" driver is minimum. True I could have cut costs there with a smaller driver, and on my amp, saved maybe 1/3 of my budget given the market at the time. And been very happy 90% of the time. The LX with sub? 98%, because I do not flinch at the 92-96dB level in room distortion.
The other 2% of listening involves 100dB levels, so no on the LX for that.
So, for the part of the year when the house can be open, they will be crossed with the sub. When the house is sealed for winter (amplifies my bouncy floor), no sub,10 ft into the room.
I guess I get the best of both worlds!
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