Arylic LP10 Budget Streamer Review

[NHL99]

A benchmark which might be hard to beat, could try with

BTW, have anyone conducted a blind-test on the product? No, I meant the Arylic!

 

[MacP]

I had this device in my system for a month and listened to it paired with the optical output to a Sabaj A30a amplifier. Amir's measurements do indeed indicate a lack of refinement, but its sound was simply decent. As a digital transport, it sounded no worse than, say, a Wiim Mini. The device is quite responsive. I didn't experience any issues. As part of a budget system, it might be sufficient and doesn't deserve such devastating reviews. Of course, it also has some rather unfortunate flaws: the USB port, limited to 1000 files, is a completely unnecessary addition, and the display, even in the "desktop" category, is almost unreadable and could easily be omitted. The savings made here would have been better spent on improving other components. But marketing probably prevailed: we have a display and USB!

 

[OldTimer]

I had this device in my system for a month and listened to it paired with the optical output to a Sabaj A30a amplifier. Amir's measurements do indeed indicate a lack of refinement, but its sound was simply decent. As a digital transport, it sounded no worse than, say, a Wiim Mini. The device is quite responsive. I didn't experience any issues. As part of a budget system, it might be sufficient and doesn't deserve such devastating reviews. Of course, it also has some rather unfortunate flaws: the USB port, limited to 1000 files, is a completely unnecessary addition, and the display, even in the "desktop" category, is almost unreadable and could easily be omitted. The savings made here would have been better spent on improving other components. But marketing probably prevailed: we have a display and USB!

I’m thinking to use it as AirPlay receiver to be added as new room in my Apple Home app..

 

[Robbo99999]

Looks like measurement philosophy didn't figure in the creation & design of this product! Always good to find ones to avoid!

 

[Mnyb]

Third party measurements are always important. Engineers know how to do this perfectly. But here we are with a surprising amount off duds cheap and expensive ( Google totaldac for high end crap )

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

… ( Google totaldac for high end crap )

€46,000 for a DAC that is in four separate pieces. Talk about the opposite of simplification!

 

[Mnyb]

Here is review of an older product https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...and-measurements-of-totaldac-d1-six-dac.8192/

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Here is review of an older product https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...and-measurements-of-totaldac-d1-six-dac.8192/

We need to hook up the Audalytic LP10 to the TotalDAC D1-Six and then output to a tube preamp feeding a tube power amp and see how we measure!!!

 

[pehu63]

I had this device in my system for a month and listened to it paired with the optical output to a Sabaj A30a amplifier. Amir's measurements do indeed indicate a lack of refinement, but its sound was simply decent. As a digital transport, it sounded no worse than, say, a Wiim Mini. The device is quite responsive. I didn't experience any issues. As part of a budget system, it might be sufficient and doesn't deserve such devastating reviews. Of course, it also has some rather unfortunate flaws: the USB port, limited to 1000 files, is a completely unnecessary addition, and the display, even in the "desktop" category, is almost unreadable and could easily be omitted. The savings made here would have been better spent on improving other components. But marketing probably prevailed: we have a display and USB!

This my experience as well, great sound, not even a big difference with an external DAC.
Based on the measurements, I might better skip arylic, even when sound seems great now.
Right now, I use the built-in DSP to correct the REW room mode measurements.
Also requires a separate DSP, I do not see streamers with built-in DSP like arylic.

I would be interested in understanding the contributions of the entire chain.
From harmonic distortion, TIM, noise, hum, what makes it go perceivably bad?
Audio industry might not be interested to optimize bang-for-the buck, for consumers.

 

[john61ct]

I’m thinking to use it as AirPlay receiver to be added as new room in my Apple Home app..

That was my OG use case, feeding recent Wiim like Ultra which no longer support AP2. I avoid iFruit in general but my teen daughter is in the cult

I do not see streamers with built-in DSP like arylic.

Wiim Ultra and Ultra Amp

 

[somebodyelse]

I do not see streamers with built-in DSP like arylic.

All the Wiim streamers? Many of the free software streamers, whether PC, Pi or other SBC?

 

[pehu63]

That was my OG use case, feeding recent Wiim like Ultra which no longer support AP2. I avoid iFruit in general but my teen daughter is in the cult


Wiim Ultra and Ultra Amp

Thanks! These have room correction as well. And adjustable sub out, seldom found with that control.
Not cheap, but all integrated, great! What else do you need, one piece of equipment, and some speakers.

 

[john61ct]

What else do you need? one piece of equipment, and some speakers.

Apple Play input, hence this thread.

Also, old Wiim or Apple TV units are cheap, can ARC output to Wiim Ultra

 

[pehu63]

Apple Play input, hence this thread.

Also, old Wiim or Apple TV units are cheap, can ARC output to Wiim Ultra

Exactly. So, one tiny streaming unit with the required protocols, and a few speakers.
WiiM amp ultra for passive, and Wiim ultra for active speakers.
NAD, yamaha, denon and marantz (==denon) also have these products.

 

[OldTimer]

Apple Play input, hence this thread.

Also, old Wiim or Apple TV units are cheap, can ARC output to Wiim Ultra

No Qobuz app on Apple TV.

 

[chelgrian]

Exactly. So, one tiny streaming unit with the required protocols, and a few speakers.
WiiM amp ultra for passive, and Wiim ultra for active speakers.
NAD, yamaha, denon and marantz (==denon) also have these products.

If you mean add on streaming boxes, I can’t find the NAD CS1 stocked anywhere so it may be discontinued. All the Yamaha MusicCast add on boxes are discontinued. The HEOS Link HS2 may still be available.

 

[SoySalsaPicante]

Exactly. So, one tiny streaming unit with the required protocols, and a few speakers.
WiiM amp ultra for passive, and Wiim ultra for active speakers.
NAD, yamaha, denon and marantz (==denon) also have these products.

Indeed. Furthermore, Marantz M1 and Denon Home Amp have full-fledged DIRAC Live support (without the gain issues present in the NAD devices) along with AirPlay and ARC inputs and subwoofer output/bass management.

 

[pehu63]

Indeed. Furthermore, Marantz M1 and Denon Home Amp have full-fledged DIRAC Live support (without the gain issues present in the NAD devices) along with AirPlay and ARC inputs and subwoofer output/bass management.

With traditional speakers, nothing else needed. I settled for genelec, active. So, I just need streamer with DSP or dirac. From sound perspective, neumann would be great as well. However, neumann gear is much deeper. Active speakers avoid the production tolerances of passive cross-over components, not seen that discussed here. Combined with tolerances of drivers, this can add up to significant cross-over issues. Proper cross-over is critical for good spinorama. My first manager (1990, after his acoustical research career) explained to me how to do design cross-overs, minimizing the impact of component tolerances. In the early days, they used a concept called echo chamber, measuring energy instead of a full spinorama.

Hehe, I read the PCM5102 docs again, it has PLL, compensates for clock jitter according to the docs and/or marketing. Shortly, I will add this via I2S to my arylic pro in plexiglas, and call it the day:

https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005006012626189.html

 

[jareinertson]

Another option for Airplay is to attach a DDC like an SMSL PO100 Pro to the USB output of an iPad or a modern iPhone w/USB-C, then optical from the PO100 Pro to the WiiM Ultra's optical input

or Apple TV's ARC outputs lossless Apple Music to WiiM Ultra

Eve Play also provides lossless Apple Music via its digital outs.