Arendal 1528 high end speakers

[Oddball]

With very limited data, we can consider quite interesting engineering: very similar extension for both sizes with the smaller one getting less SPL. That seems to be quite good design, to be honest.

Well depends on preferences. Certainly good for consumers looking at the mighty monitors. But for the towers, 5dB more and all that bulk? Might be high five for monitors and thumbs down for the towers?

I wonder if we will ever get a real in-room measurements of these speakers. That might help people align their expectations and preferences.

And yeah, not to forget, nothing new on Arendal’s tilting solution for 80kg center. So indeed, lighter might be better in some cases.

 

[Looneybomber]

But would be interested to hear exactly what is meant by “going lower” as I can’t dig that from the graphs? And pls don’t just say it’s the F3.

I am confused. The reason why it plays lower is also what you don’t want us to say? How are any of us supposed to explain it without using math/science?

The monitor is less efficient (by about 5db) and has a slightly lower F3. Turn up the monitor (by about 5db) so output from 80-20khz is roughly the same as the tower and you also end up with more low end output. Notice 30hz is now 3-4db louder with the monitor than with the tower? Would you say the monitor is “going lower” or would you say it’s “going higher” than the tower?

 

[MarcT]

I am confused. The reason why it plays lower is also what you don’t want us to say? How are any of us supposed to explain it without using math/science?

The monitor is less efficient (by about 5db) and has a slightly lower F3. Turn up the monitor (by about 5db) so output from 80-20khz is roughly the same as the tower and you also end up with more low end output. Notice 30hz is now 3-4db louder with the monitor than with the tower? Would you say the monitor is “going lower” or would you say it’s “going higher” than the tower?

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Lol, this is basically what I've been writing here for a couple days now, to no avail.

 

[Oddball]

I am confused. The reason why it plays lower is also what you don’t want us to say? How are any of us supposed to explain it without using math/science?

The monitor is less efficient (by about 5db) and has a slightly lower F3. Turn up the monitor (by about 5db) so output from 80-20khz is roughly the same as the tower and you also end up with more low end output. Notice 30hz is now 3-4db louder with the monitor than with the tower? Would you say the monitor is “going lower” or would you say it’s “going higher” than the tower?

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Not really sure what’s the point. The measurements were at the same voltage so obviously tower can play louder and reach equally low. F3 is not really a valid data point here, but happy to stay corrected. You can’t just turn up the monitors and say they play louder. You can also turn up the towers and get the same result?

To what extent and to what distortion you can play both monitors and towers is to be seen, but from the looks of what we have now, monitors will be limited in SPL output, which might or might not be relevant depending on use case. We would need some in room distortion graphs, but not sure if these will be coming.

Done arguing that he point that is pretty obvious - at least to me. Obviously other people are always free to have their view.

 

[Looneybomber]

Lol, this is basically what I've been writing here for a couple days now, to no avail.

If I stepped on your feet, I apologize. I didn’t read every post.

 

[Looneybomber]

Not really sure what’s the point. The measurements were at the same voltage so obviously tower can play louder and reach equally low. F3 is not really a valid data point here, but happy to stay corrected. You can’t just turn up the monitors and say they play louder. You can also turn up the towers and get the same result?

To what extent and to what distortion you can play both monitors and towers is to be seen, but from the looks of what we have now, monitors will be limited in SPL output, which might or might not be relevant depending on use case. We would need some in room distortion graphs, but not sure if these will be coming.

Done arguing that he point that is pretty obvious - at least to me. Obviously other people are always free to have their view.

The F3 or F5.7 or whatever arbitrary FX you want to use is a valid data point, but more importantly, the graphs of each response act to show the magnitude of the transfer function - it’s a relationship between the input signal to the output. It doesn’t tell you max output, it doesn’t tell you distortion at various outputs, it just tells you the output compared to the input using a standardized signal strength so it can be compared with all other speakers tested with the same standardized signal strength and testing method.

 

[sigbergaudio]

Perhaps this helps?

 

[sigbergaudio]

What this tells us is that yes the monitor goes lower (has more deep bass) anechoically. I am not sure it necessarily tells the whole story about what happens in-room.

 

[Vacceo]

Listening to a Q&A with Arendal designers, they are quite in favor of using EQ and room correction.

Could these speakers be designed to take advantage of Dirac ART? I am wondering due to how low the bookshelves (even the flat speaker) can reach.

 

[Pearljam5000]

 

[Oddball]

Not sure what is worse in the whole release campaign. Slow burn at the front end or at the back end. Nothing really concrete - like we will get back to you.

Absolutely time wasting and IMO completely inappropriate. A lot of people who can spare $15K for their mega LCR setup don't really have much time as they work hard to afford these offerings.

The first reaction this invokes for me is to order the darn set and return it just for the heck of it.

 

[Vergiliusma]

The first reaction this invokes for me is to order the darn set and return it just for the heck of it.

Yeah, that'll show 'em.

I'm not sure why all the consternation. I'd like to see the impedance graphs, but it looks from the available info. that they overdamped the tuning(tuned lower than would normally be called for), kinda like a ported version of a sealed roll-off, which relies on the room to help out.

It's a throwback that some of the old-timers will appreciate.

 

[Vacceo]

Not sure what is worse in the whole release campaign. Slow burn at the front end or at the back end. Nothing really concrete - like we will get back to you.

Absolutely time wasting and IMO completely inappropriate. A lot of people who can spare $15K for their mega LCR setup don't really have much time as they work hard to afford these offerings.

The first reaction this invokes for me is to order the darn set and return it just for the heck of it.

Agreed: more data, less infomercials.

 

[Oddball]

Yeah, that'll show 'em.

This did not come out quite right on my end. The full thought was that they should by now have full data and reviews published so that they don't face significant returns and consumers hassle of returns. But you are right, that is mostly their problem.

On my end looks like I might be going for Revel 228 Be towers for half the price and keep the "modest" Revel C426 Be centre.

 

[sigbergaudio]

This did not come out quite right on my end. The full thought was that they should by now have full data and reviews published so that they don't face significant returns and consumers hassle of returns. But you are right, that is mostly their problem.

On my end looks like I might be going for Revel 228 Be towers for half the price and keep the "modest" Revel C426 Be centre.

Why would they face returns and consumer hassle because data and reviews aren't published?

 

[Shimrra Jamaane]

I do agree that the rollout has been really scattershot but at the same time consumers aren’t getting these shipped to them until January so I ASSUME a lot more info will be out by then.

 

[DearSX]

Having more concrete data would be great, like that Ascend Audio does. $10k is a lot of money for most people that demand a speaker like this.

 

[Oddball]

Why would they face returns and consumer hassle because data and reviews aren't published?

Because ultimately people might not think the product is worth it? Their LCR big combo competes with Revel Be 328 and C426 (when on sale) - and that is a tall task.

 

[sigbergaudio]

Because ultimately people might not think the product is worth it? Their LCR big combo competes with Revel Be 328 and C426 (when on sale) - and that is a tall task.

So people will purchase the product, and then data and reviews will come out, and then they will change their minds? As you expect the data and reviews to be problematic when they are published?


Not trying to be difficult, genuinely not sure I understand what you are getting at.

 

[Oddball]

So people will purchase the product, and then data and reviews will come out, and then they will change their minds? As you expect the data and reviews to be problematic when they are published?


Not trying to be difficult, genuinely not sure I understand what you are getting at.

Same here - not really getting you point either.