Are you using a subwoofer/subwoofers?

[MakeMineVinyl]

In the natural world, infrasonics are the way to check for earthquakes. Reproducing the sound that reaches you before the ground tears apart is a very cool thing to experience.

When I lived in California, a somewhat regular occurrence were earthquake survey trucks which went down the street and every 100' feet or so they would put down these big plungers which shook the ground. Next best thing to an actual earthquake.

 

[Vacceo]

Not necessarily music though...

Sure! But if you have an amazing system (like you do), why using it only for music?

 

[Vacceo]

When I lived in California, a somewhat regular occurrence were earthquake survey trucks which went down the street and every 100' feet or so they would put down these big plungers which shook the ground. Next best thing to an actual earthquake.

I experienced infrasonics "not canned" (recorded) in a party/celebration that involved a lot of fireworks, firecrackers and gunpowder (Fallas from Valencia, google it and enjoy!). The next was a Prodigy gig. Jeez, that feeling is more addictive than crack.

 

[Flaesh]

Fazenda et al. Subjective Preference of Modal Control Methods in Listening Rooms

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281663153_Subjective_preference_of_modal_control_in_listening_rooms

For @wacomme in particular

 

[ryanosaur]

Not necessarily music though...

If it happens at a determined frequency... why can it not be musical? That is a stunningly absurd statement.
Here's the bottom Octave:

Note	Frequency (Hz)	Wavelength (cm)
C0​	16.35​	2109.89​
C#0/Db0​	17.32​	1991.47​
D0​	18.35​	1879.69​
D#0/Eb0​	19.45​	1774.20​
E0​	20.60​	1674.62​
F0​	21.83​	1580.63​
F#0/Gb0​	23.12​	1491.91​
G0​	24.50​	1408.18​
G#0/Ab0​	25.96​	1329.14​
A0​	27.50​	1254.55​
A#0/Bb0​	29.14​	1184.13​
B0​	30.87​	1117.67​
C1​	32.70​	1054.94​

You can make use of that.
Musically.
See Saint-Saëns. Or others. Pipe Organ has a long, musical history.

 

[Bamyasi]

If it happens at a determined frequency... why can it not be musical? That is a stunningly absurd statement.
Here's the bottom Octave:

Note	Frequency (Hz)	Wavelength (cm)
C0​	16.35​	2109.89​
C#0/Db0​	17.32​	1991.47​
D0​	18.35​	1879.69​
D#0/Eb0​	19.45​	1774.20​
E0​	20.60​	1674.62​
F0​	21.83​	1580.63​
F#0/Gb0​	23.12​	1491.91​
G0​	24.50​	1408.18​
G#0/Ab0​	25.96​	1329.14​
A0​	27.50​	1254.55​
A#0/Bb0​	29.14​	1184.13​
B0​	30.87​	1117.67​
C1​	32.70​	1054.94​

You can make use of that.
Musically.
See Saint-Saëns. Or others. Pipe Organ has a long, musical history.

You have to live in church to really appreciate pipe organ lower ranges.

 

[phoenixdogfan]

LS 50 Metas, OG LS 50 surrounds and Kef HTC 3001 SE for my center channel. Just got the second sub and I will be in the process of setting it up over the next few days.

Oh yeah, the subs are SB 2000's--which are excelllent, excellent performers. But if you want to know why I truly ;ove SVS, consider this: I bought the second sub used and it arrived without a grille, so I called SVS to buy a new one. The SVS rep sent me an original grille free of charge via FED EX. I just received it today. Contrast that with some of the customer service stories you will read about where some companies won't even return emails. Me, I got to talk to a live SVS person who exceeded all my expectations for service. Makes a huge difference in overall satisfaction, IMHO.

Know that if you buy something from SVS you can be certain they will stand behind their product and put you, their customer, first. I can't say enough good things about them.

 

[Vacceo]

You have to live in church to really appreciate pipe organ lower ranges.

For me, it's a 3 minute walk to a gothic cathedral.

 

[wacomme]

You could try a Presonus Sub8. It has balanced inputs and outputs (you'd connect it in-line, between your DAC and TV5;s), it's working well with my MTMs and is relatively cheap.

Do you mean dac - sub - monitors for both L & R channels? Would I be able to EQ in this fashion using EQ filtering?

 

[Berwhale]

Do you mean dac - sub - monitors for both L & R channels?

Yes, like this...

Would I be able to EQ in this fashion using EQ filtering?

Yes, i'm using eAPO/PEACE on Windows with PEQ generated by REW.

 

[sarumbear]

If it happens at a determined frequency... why can it not be musical? That is a stunningly absurd statement.
Here's the bottom Octave:

Note	Frequency (Hz)	Wavelength (cm)
C0​	16.35​	2109.89​
C#0/Db0​	17.32​	1991.47​
D0​	18.35​	1879.69​
D#0/Eb0​	19.45​	1774.20​
E0​	20.60​	1674.62​
F0​	21.83​	1580.63​
F#0/Gb0​	23.12​	1491.91​
G0​	24.50​	1408.18​
G#0/Ab0​	25.96​	1329.14​
A0​	27.50​	1254.55​
A#0/Bb0​	29.14​	1184.13​
B0​	30.87​	1117.67​
C1​	32.70​	1054.94​

You can make use of that.
Musically.
See Saint-Saëns. Or others. Pipe Organ has a long, musical history.

First of all my comment was to this post:

In the natural world, infrasonics are the way to check for earthquakes. Reproducing the sound that reaches you before the ground tears apart is a very cool thing to experience.

Besides, can a melody be played only using infrasonic notes? Do you know any musical piece that does that?

 

[CapMan]

2 x SVS3000 Micro with Harbeth P3s.

Have a small odd-shaped room and this setup gives me more flexibility on placement to get a reasonably flat response and take a load off the P3s (x over is 120Hz).

I use REW to determine how to align the subs; implemented with the DSP in my Devialet Expert which manages the high and low pass filtering, plus delays on the mains. Roon to add EQ below 200hz only.

Works well.

 

[Vacceo]

First of all my comment was to this post:


Besides, can a melody be played only using infrasonic notes? Do you know any musical piece that does that?

By definition, It cannot be a melody as, infrasonics are not heard, only perceived.

They key here is sound: unlike ultrasonics, infrasonics can be "felt", not heard.

 

[sarumbear]

By definition, It cannot be a melody as, infrasonics are not heard, only perceived.

They key here is sound: unlike ultrasonics, infrasonics can be "felt", not heard.

Hence it is not musical.

 

[MakeMineVinyl]

Hence it is not musical.

Any sound in support of a musical note is 'music'. One cannot hear the lowest "C" on a pipe organ with 32' ranks of pipes - it can only be felt. Yet there is no debate that it is in support of the music more than the rumble of a bus passing by.

This is the problem when engineers try to wrap their heads around artistic endeavors like music, rather than just sitting back and enjoying it. Alternately, one can do what I did; go to college twice, once for electrical engineering and once for music composition.

 

[ryanosaur]

Hence it is not musical. Why have you said my statement was "stunningly absurd" then?

He didn't.
I did.
As a trained musician I disagree with the assertion that any note cannot be used musically, even if it is below the range of hearing.
Whether it is Melodic or Harmonic, it is part of the sound and feel of the composition, a deliberate choice of the Composer.
Do you really think Saint-Saëns just said,"Fcuk it, nobody can hear it anyways!," when he wrote his Symphony No 3? He made a deliberate choice, no different than a Composer deciding on Flute Solo or Duet with an Oboe.

To the point, whether you hear it directly or through the harmonics of the note and the feel or pressure of the soundwave, it is Musical.

 

[MakeMineVinyl]

Do you really think Saint-Saëns just said,"Fcuk it, nobody can hear it anyways!," when he wrote his Symphony No 3? He made a deliberate choice, no different than a Composer deciding on Flute Solo or Duet with an Oboe.

Saint Saens didn't, but Rimsky Korsakov did in instances where he felt that some instruments wouldn't be heard in the orchestration of a given piece, so he omitted them.

But.

In his 1812 overture, the infasonic blast from the cannon were deemed essential to the intent of the piece. Would someone care to debate with him whether they were 'music'?

I didn't think so.

 

[sarumbear]

I didn’t want to argue further but the definition of music, or musicality is debated in the art world. I’m not musician but that Yoko Ono album was not music even though many call it that. It may well be art but not music as I define it. Call my views absurd if you must. I won’t try to come back with various authorities who define music as a melody attached to a rhythm.

 

[DanielT]

I find this interesting. Four good budget subwoofers vs two good ones that cost the same?
Partly a mathematical exercise, how much air can these two different solutions pump?

We are not that sensitive to distortion in the sub-bass area but on the other hand subwoofers can really produce a lot of distortion. Four subs that help each other, higher sensitivity on the entire 4 sub bass system, each one does not have to exert themselves (distortion) then but then the subwoofer itself must have reasonably good performance (dig as deep as you want, level distortion single sub, FR which is EQ friendly ).So little back and forth to think about.

I'll leave aesthetic aspects there, that is, fill the combined listening room, the living room with many ugly cubes.
In practice, it can of course play a big role in choosing the number of subwoofers you want to fill the living room with.

Tip:

Edit:
Easier with more subwoofers to solve bass problems that MAY arise. Prerequisite for acoustics in the room and subwoofers that can cause problems, that is.

 

[krabapple]

I didn’t want to argue further but the definition of music, or musicality is debated in the art world. I’m not musician but that Yoko Oma

There's disrespect, and there's *managing to misspell two letters of a three letter name"

Beatles fans are funny.

album was not music even though many call it that. It may well be art but not music as I define it. Call my views absurd if you must. I won’t try to come back with various authorities who define music as a melody attached to a rhythm.

Good, because no one with the slightest clue about the history of music should take such 'authorities' seriously on that matter.