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Are you satisfied with your home Audio System?
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I was listening to my system the other night (classical recordings of a composer called Panufnik) and thinking how it actually sounded like I was at a concert - I really think I experienced a performance as though I was there. Then later I played some electro based music and thought how it sounded as though I was in a night club.
I like to play music at 'realistic' volume and I find that a 16/44.1 digital source, two three-way speakers with 8" sealed woofers, active DSP crossovers and a beefy multichannel amplifier are easily up to the task. IMO, the setting up of the crossovers and EQ should be done with 'minimal intervention' to get a valid setup of the source in terms of frequency response and time domain, without much fussing over the interaction with the room.
Anyway, the result is 'real music'. It is so good, so rich, that all thoughts of 'upgrading' go out of the window. If you are getting a thoroughly authentic, visceral experience from your system, why would it even enter your head to go through the palaver of fiddling about with stuff? And if you are an observant type you will also be wary of the mental traps that await those who become obsessed with the exact type of sand they pour into their speaker stand supports etc.
I can't say I'll never change my system in future, but if I do change it, it will not be on the grounds of the sound. It could be to do with the looks of it, or the size, or the convenience factor, and being a DIY type there is always a desire to make things. However, I am happy that the 'Kii Three' formula is the ultimate solution for the sound itself, and that it is easily reproducible and scalable.
I like to play music at 'realistic' volume and I find that a 16/44.1 digital source, two three-way speakers with 8" sealed woofers, active DSP crossovers and a beefy multichannel amplifier are easily up to the task. IMO, the setting up of the crossovers and EQ should be done with 'minimal intervention' to get a valid setup of the source in terms of frequency response and time domain, without much fussing over the interaction with the room.
Anyway, the result is 'real music'. It is so good, so rich, that all thoughts of 'upgrading' go out of the window. If you are getting a thoroughly authentic, visceral experience from your system, why would it even enter your head to go through the palaver of fiddling about with stuff? And if you are an observant type you will also be wary of the mental traps that await those who become obsessed with the exact type of sand they pour into their speaker stand supports etc.
I can't say I'll never change my system in future, but if I do change it, it will not be on the grounds of the sound. It could be to do with the looks of it, or the size, or the convenience factor, and being a DIY type there is always a desire to make things. However, I am happy that the 'Kii Three' formula is the ultimate solution for the sound itself, and that it is easily reproducible and scalable.
The Kiis and Beolabs are capable of things that other speakers simply can't manage , I believe they are the future.
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I voted "YES, but...". The only reason I did so is because I have yet to find a cartridge (within my means) that I'm 100% happy with. Perhaps I'll never find one.
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Buy two that you are 50% happy with?
Ah, do you recommend only eating half of your chocolate bar.. Then half again ... Then half of that...
Infinite chocolate bar or just republican propaganda??
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Eight month bump...
Maybe some new folks haven't voted...
Maybe some new folks haven't voted...
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Yes, but my integrated amp trips when playing partylevels. Can only play up to ~12 - 1 o'clock on the dial. According to my speaker designer Dr Roland Gauder "any amp will trip before my speakers do". Wondering what that statement means in technical terms i.e. how is this accomplished in his filter designs?
Amp should have sufficient power, 36A cont & 150A peak.
Amp should have sufficient power, 36A cont & 150A peak.
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Back on audio for a second, member Pano on diyAudio - someone who "gets" what I'm on about
Pano is great , just enuff objective and subjective analysis without the typical internet Nazi type dogma ..
Thanks for the link , now on to address the dry sounding flat soundscape typical of most digital playback ..
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Norma Revo IPA-140 integrated amp - - > http://www.normaudio.com/normaudio/en/prodotti/revo-ipa-140/
Same happens with my ShengYa A17-CS integrated amp (150W hybrid amp).
Gauder Akustik Arcona 100 speakers:
- High pass filtered
- Symmetrized crossover
- Ultra-high slope crossover of 50dB/octave
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Do you have an actual impedance mag/phase measurement on the speakers , I'm assuming low sensitivity ( hence low z's) with big phase angles....
The usual culprits to under hestsinked amplifiers.... that Norma looks like a well built unit ..
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The usual culprits to under hestsinked amplifiers.... that Norma looks like a well built unit ..
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He identifies the correct problem. That is, what people think is the "problem" with digital is that it maintains all the high frequencies that is in the source and that can be grating to ears. That is just what a high fidelity system is supposed to do but folks will opt for different sources that roll that off for a solution.
They just need to turn down the Treble control or push the High Cut button to find analog nirvana.
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The Arcona 100 says 86dB @2W sensitivity
86db = 2W
96dB = 20W
106dB = 200W - That (peak SPL, anyway) is party level here...
Amp specs:
Close to the edge?
Do they get hot?
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My little amps claim 700W/4Ohm. I have seen 140F/60C on the (exposed) heat sinks
They've never shut down playing music.
Loudish - roughly equivalent to levels on CD - right now, vocal and piano, Akiko Yano, via Amazon streaming, cuts off at 17kHz.
Right now 128F/53.3C on the heat sinks, 80F/26.6C ambient.
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34dB gain on the amp is kinda high.
Mine have 26dB gain.
Now playing at 74 (out of 151) on the dial. What o'clock would that be?
74/151 = .49 = about 11:45:03.6 o'clock.
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It says 1 watt but that is usually measured at mid frequencies. For parties, what counts is the bass and I suspect its efficiency is much lower than that there.
Dry sounding, flat used to be rife - I noted in the last Sydney audio show that things have improved; there were at least half a dozen systems that got most of the key things right.
As Amir says, digital will deliver all the treble content - but it also can get that wrong, badly wrong. The solution used to be to throw away that treble in many high end rigs - of course, instant flatness; retaining the distorted treble doesn't work either - the smartest solution is to sort out the causes of that dodgy treble, and fix 'em. Voila, beautifully rich, full sound - still not happen' much of the time ...
There's a new audio show coming up in a week or two - should be interesting!! In particular, Kii will be there - a chance to kick the tyres ...
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