• WANTED: Happy members who like to discuss audio and other topics related to our interest. Desire to learn and share knowledge of science required. There are many reviews of audio hardware and expert members to help answer your questions. Click here to have your audio equipment measured for free!

Are there any audiophile electronics companies who have a transparent, honest marketing as a priority?

Willem

Major Contributor
Joined
Jan 8, 2019
Messages
3,717
Likes
5,343
I don't know but I don't think there is any point in being cynical about Peter Walker. Anyway, their phono input board for the Quad 33 already had a range of different input sensitivities as well, depending on the way you inserted the board. Peter Walker was not only a brilliant audio engineer but also a very practical man.
 
Last edited:

Swtoby

Active Member
Joined
Jun 13, 2018
Messages
192
Likes
287
http://www.dcmspeakers.com/

DCM speakers. I had a pair of the TFE 200 for a period. I was clued in to this brand by David Rich from a publication I miss, the "Sensible Sound". I remember window rattling bass. They were big and not domestic friendly, but a good speaker and fairly priced
 
  • Like
Reactions: 617

jsrtheta

Addicted to Fun and Learning
Joined
May 20, 2018
Messages
947
Likes
1,008
Location
Colorado
I looked at some battery bias cables being sold commercially. I did ten recordings with them, randomized for power on and off, then sent them to the peddler to sort by ear (he had previously agreed, telling me the usual night-and-day difference story). Unsurprisingly, after I sent them to him, he became enraged and accused me of manipulating the files to obscure the differences.
http://www.dcmspeakers.com/

DCM speakers. I had a pair of the TFE 200 for a period. I was clued in to this brand by David Rich from a publication I miss, the "Sensible Sound". I remember window rattling bass. They were big and not domestic friendly, but a good speaker and fairly priced

David Rich did very good work at the Audio Critic. He was a huge fan of Monitor Audio at the time.
 

JJB70

Major Contributor
Forum Donor
Joined
Aug 17, 2018
Messages
2,905
Likes
6,151
Location
Singapore
I don't know but I don't thonk thete is any point in being cynical about Peter Walker. Anyway, their phono input board for the Quad 33 already had a range of different input sensitivities as well, depending on the way you inserted the board. Peter Walker was not only a brilliant audio engineer but also a very practical man.

In the old days of the original Quad company and Peter Walker they were an engineering led company and were well known for their down to earth attitude. I don't think Peter Walker ever had any time for the sort of nonsense mumbo jumbo that entered the hi-fi lexicon.
 

hvbias

Addicted to Fun and Learning
Joined
Apr 28, 2016
Messages
577
Likes
419
Location
US
Indeed. The James Moir experiment was a neat one. As for the Naim sound, it has been argued that their signature sound is in fact due to their high input sensitivity: they clip easily. The compression/distortion that follows is viewed as PRAT.

In the turntable realm this "PRAT" is from turntables running too fast, fairly common with Rega and Linn and maybe some other British companies.
 

Sal1950

Grand Contributor
The Chicago Crusher
Forum Donor
Joined
Mar 1, 2016
Messages
14,156
Likes
16,843
Location
Central Fl
http://www.dcmspeakers.com/

DCM speakers. I had a pair of the TFE 200 for a period. I was clued in to this brand by David Rich from a publication I miss, the "Sensible Sound". I remember window rattling bass. They were big and not domestic friendly, but a good speaker and fairly priced
Whenever DCM is mentioned I think of the media frenzy over the DCM Time Windows back in the (70-80s?)
Never had the chance to actually hear a pair

Agreed. I've owned various Dr Hsu's products for 30 years and spoken with him a number of times on the phone plus via emails. He's always been a very honest straight forward type of person attempting to create products that offer the highest value for the dollar.
 

jsrtheta

Addicted to Fun and Learning
Joined
May 20, 2018
Messages
947
Likes
1,008
Location
Colorado
Fully agree on the old Quad products. A modern product line I will throw in the mix is Yamaha, now they may have an odd stinker or two but they really are a full range company making instruments, consumer and professional audio and home theater.

Second that.
 

bigx5murf

Addicted to Fun and Learning
Joined
Nov 6, 2018
Messages
522
Likes
343
http://www.dcmspeakers.com/

DCM speakers. I had a pair of the TFE 200 for a period. I was clued in to this brand by David Rich from a publication I miss, the "Sensible Sound". I remember window rattling bass. They were big and not domestic friendly, but a good speaker and fairly priced

I just repaired a pair of DCM TF600, been listening to them almost exclusively for a couple weeks. Fairly impressed, so I've been curious about their modern products. Their current line is much more traditional in design though. Part of the charm of the TF600 is how well they use such cheap drivers, with a cabinet design so unorthodox they look like panel speakers at first glance.

Also, https://swanspeakers.com/ includes a printed frequency sweep with each of their powered speakers.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 617

restorer-john

Grand Contributor
Joined
Mar 1, 2018
Messages
12,674
Likes
38,770
Location
Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Whenever DCM is mentioned I think of the media frenzy over the DCM Time Windows back in the (70-80s?)
Never had the chance to actually hear a pair

More than 20 years ago, I bought a mint pair of Timewindow 1as to play with, as I too had witnessed the hype back in the day (early 80s) and was curious as to how good (or not) they were. Also grabbed a few pairs of Timewindow 1s in poor cabinet condition to compare (in case I needed "parts" etc)

The 1s used two types of Philips woofers and a very cheap Philips polycarbonate tweeter. The 1as used a different Philips woofer and the Vifa D19 tweeter. They were so cheaply and poorly put together, made of cardboard tube and particle board, both on the first two series and the 1as. The best part was the American Oak tops on the 1as, except the method for securing the top to the bottom was flawed and most of them fell to pieces. (a big threaded rod top to bottom)

My 1as were perfect condition wise and I initially thought they were a very special speaker. That quickly wore off. Mine clearly had a midrange balance issue (shifting image with freq) and it was only when I peered through the brown grille fabric with a torch, I noticed one woofer was different to the others. They were all original, had the DCM chalk marks for matching, same nasty black sealing original glue on them all (they'd never been apart) and yet one appeared to have a smaller dustcap and cone colour. Ran an impedance sweep and found one speaker was different to the other. (S/Nos were matching) Dismantled them only to find one woofer was a 5 ohm and the others were 7 ohm.

They used to describe them as "hybrid transmission line". Not true at all, unless a "transmission line" is just a whole lot of wadding and a couple of ports at the bottom offset on each face.

Wrote to Mitek (they had DCM at that point) and they confirmed that a) they had no woofers left and b) DCM had mixed up towards the end of a woofer type run putting 5 ohm on the inside faces to change the overall balance. They sent me a nice letter and a brochure. Mine were a pair, and yet they left the factory all those years before, not matching. Poor in my opinion.

Anyway, I gutted (smashed up) the Timewindow 1s and sold off the crossovers and tweeters. The woofers are all in a bucket in the storeroom if anyone ever needs Timewindow 1 woofers to rebuild (rubber rolls surrounds have perished last time I looked)
 

Bear123

Addicted to Fun and Learning
Joined
Nov 27, 2019
Messages
796
Likes
1,370
Mini DSP
Klipsch
March Audio
Nord

"Klipsch" and "honest" don't belong together. Find any review of a Klipsch speaker in which sensitivity was measured and compare it to their marketing spec. Or just subtract 6-7 dB from the advertised sensitivity of every speaker they make. What's sad is that lying works...most people truly believe all Klipsch speakers have extremely high sensitivity. Most of the time, they are actually slightly above average.
 

kevinh

Senior Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2019
Messages
338
Likes
274
I ha
"Klipsch" and "honest" don't belong together. Find any review of a Klipsch speaker in which sensitivity was measured and compare it to their marketing spec. Or just subtract 6-7 dB from the advertised sensitivity of every speaker they make. What's sad is that lying works...most people truly believe all Klipsch speakers have extremely high sensitivity. Most of the time, they are actually slightly above average.

I've only dealt with the Heritage line. Don't know about their HT stuff.
 

Koeitje

Major Contributor
Joined
Oct 10, 2019
Messages
2,306
Likes
3,960
Go into a shop which specializes in recording studio equipment.

Those that I know, in alphabetical order:
  • Speakers: Genelec, Neumann
  • DACs: Benchmark, Motu, RME
  • Amplifiers: Bryston, Classé
Are there any measurements available for Classé? I've always been tempted to try a second hand Classé power amplifier.
 
Top Bottom