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Are there any amplifiers you can recommend that are 300W or higher in the $5,000 to $10,000 range?

@Uranus simply distortion on speakers will be much higher than one from amplifier and DAC. Secundly there's room and received response which is most important. It's not about class of amplifier but how much engineering hard work is put into it. There are masterpieces regarding performance and with classy look in every popular class in past 50 years. You need to learn basics like; Vx2=+6 dB or Wx2=+3 dB. This tells you how if you want louder you better get more sensitive SPL/W speakers than power amplifier with little more output. For example a 84 dB SPL/W driver will need 4x more power to get to 90 dB that one with 90 dB sensitivity. On high SPL it makes difference between 100W amplifier which is still standard for home use to one giving 400W. You have a lot to learn, start slowly watching hosts (Amir's) videos about measurements on his YouTube chenel. https://youtube.com/@audiosciencereview?si=6il7dJtCulIQa7im
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To put things a little more bluntly:
First choose your speakers. They need to match your room. If you have a dedicated room, physical treatments can also be considered. Speakers include not only the main speakers (although you may only have a main pair) but subwoofers to improve the bass response in the room.

When you know what speakers you are going to use, only then should you think about the amplification. After that, really, comes the source and whatever device you may use for room correction/equalisation.

If you are not sure about speakers, you can ask (again) here. Include budget, room size, and what candidates you can actually buy. It's difficult for us when people are coy about their location and "Asia" is a big place. Judging by what your friends seem to have, I presume you are relatively well off and in a location where there is at least a market for higher priced items. Some posters who come here from different places appear to have little idea of what they can buy, prices or anything else.

You have the cart before the horse, as it were. I certainly would not want to be the person who got you to buy a $10000+, kilowatt per channel amp, when you then choose a speaker that runs happily on a tenth of that power or less. Do things the right way round and you will be happier, faster.
 
Personally, I'd like to find a 1,000W Class AB type, but that's absolutely not possible at this price, right? It would cost over $30,000.

Of course it is. You can either shell out a ridiculous amount for it, audiophile style, or track down a used Yamaha Pro power amplifier since they are all Class D today.
Easy.. :D
 
It's abow us in proto Sanskrit. Zeus is just overture of Perun. What they alude at is ass so yes, you should. My language has a (only) living root with Sanskrit.
Let’s behave like adults. His username is the name of a Planet. If you see Ass Jokes that’s on you. Move on please and leave this new member alone.
 


Specifically this OP has exhibited very un-troll-like behaviour. He has changed his posting style when it was pointed out to him it looked like AI, and he has adapted his statement of what he is looking for, based on what he has learnt here. This is not what trolls do.
Thank you Sir. :cool:
 
Thank you!

When I tested preamps, I changed multiple preamps in one system and checked things like noise and dynamic range, leaving aside sound qualities like harmonic balance. I didn't delve deeply into the theoretical reasons or causes!

Preamps require more attention to cables and increase variables, so they cost more. That's why I don't use them.
Just the time gap making those changes nullify your results, tho. How did you measure noise and dynamic range by ear? Let alone "sound qualities like harmonic balance" whatever that is supposed to mean? Like I said, you have a lot of mis-conceptions.

ps let alone level matching or blind....(and quick switching obviously not even possible)
 
The era of big imposing amplifiers is over when you can get similar or better performance for a fraction of a price with a hypex or purify amplifier.
I have listened to mine all day and they barely get warm if at all.



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Hypex NCx500 2-Channel​


$995.00BUY NOW

Power​

  • 700 watts @ 2 ohm
  • 700 watts @ 4 ohm
  • 380 watts @ 8 ohm
  • (per channel, 1kHz, 1% THD)

Fidelity​

  • S/N: 128dB
  • FR: 0 - 75KHz
  • THD: 0.0006% (350W, 4Ω, 20Hz-20kHz)
Without looking up the test results, that would be around 175Wx2 8Ω low distortion?
 
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Apollon Audio's PET1200DM is perhaps the the pinnacle of modern SOTA performance with old fashioned refinement and build quality.
 
Thank you for your opinion. However, I'm not looking at multichannel amplifiers. I'm searching for 2-channel or monoblock amplifiers!
I am considering using bridge mode, but if I'm going to do that, I think it makes more sense to just buy a monoblock Class D amplifier!
No problem. While the ATI6000 can be from 2 to 7 channels, in its 6002 guise it’s a true dual mono amplifier.

There are 2 separate plugs, 2 separate transformers and 2 separate amp modules.

Of course you can go with a class D amp as it’s very popular in this forum.
 
There's no need to spend twenty grand. I use a Sony pre-amp bought used on eBay for £350. I could certainly have spent a lot more than that if there was any benefit whatsoever in doing so. There isn't.

When I tested the preamp, Boulder was the only one that could hear the sound of the DAC without any distortion or change from the entry products. The DAC was a Vivaldi set.

But when I connected the preamps of VTL, Audio Research, Meridian, Pathos, Chord, etc., the sound did not come out as it was even though I used the same cable to the same DAC. It sounded different from when I connected it directly to the DAC. It was worse. For sure. Even the power cable was the same.

No matter how much I could say that I felt different because of the placebo effect, there really is a difference. It’s not for nothing that preamps worth hundreds of thousands of dollars are sold. People with a lot of money buy them because they think there is a difference. And in my experience, all brands of preamps that are over $20,000 heard the sound of the DAC as it was.

Of course, you can find products that can hear good sound even from cheap preamps. But what I’m saying is that I compared preamps from expensive hi-fi brands.

I know that expensive doesn't necessarily mean it will give you the right sound.

What I'm just saying is that when I test, I usually create only one variable and set all other factors to be the same.

This is the result of testing with the speakers, all cables, power strip, DAC, etc. all set up as they are.

I guess you didn't.

The overwhelmingly most likely explanation is perceptive bias (your brain altering what you hear) rather than any real differences between the devices. This is not a criticism of you - it happens to all humans all the time. It is why if you want to do listening comparisons, proper controlled testing is needed:


I know your opinion is also possible.

However, I have the basics to know that Class A amplifiers, especially vacuum tube amplifiers, play with a dull sound before warming up, and then change to a good sound after 30 minutes to 1 hour of warming up. Class A solid static amplifiers over 1000W also need to play music at an appropriate volume for at least 5 to 10 minutes to get proper sound. Before that, they play with a dull sound.

There are two songs that I listen to when I go to set up or test audio system. I have been listening to these two songs for over 17 years. I have at least a standard for comparison and have experience, and I will continue to do so in the future. I also know well that you can't trust human ears and that there are many differences depending on the condition.

People listen to music. And this hi-fi field is not just about sound, but a place where various factors are combined.

Why do ridiculously expensive products sell? People with a lot of money can't be stupid. Everyone has their own standards, and they live as long as they meet those standards.
 
Apollon Audio's PET1200DM is perhaps the the pinnacle of modern SOTA performance with old fashioned refinement and build quality.
Thanks for your opinion. So I'm going to buy a Class D high-power amplifier and try it out. There are various amplifiers, so I'm going to choose an amplifier with a design that I like. Since the circuit inside is all the same.

There are 2 separate plugs, 2 separate transformers and 2 separate amp modules.

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I found it after looking it up. I'll take note.
 
When I tested the preamp, Boulder was the only one that could hear the sound of the DAC without any distortion or change from the entry products. The DAC was a Vivaldi set.

But when I connected the preamps of VTL, Audio Research, Meridian, Pathos, Chord, etc., the sound did not come out as it was even though I used the same cable to the same DAC. It sounded different from when I connected it directly to the DAC. It was worse. For sure. Even the power cable was the same.

No matter how much I could say that I felt different because of the placebo effect, there really is a difference. It’s not for nothing that preamps worth hundreds of thousands of dollars are sold. People with a lot of money buy them because they think there is a difference. And in my experience, all brands of preamps that are over $20,000 heard the sound of the DAC as it was.

Of course, you can find products that can hear good sound even from cheap preamps. But what I’m saying is that I compared preamps from expensive hi-fi brands.

I know that expensive doesn't necessarily mean it will give you the right sound.

What I'm just saying is that when I test, I usually create only one variable and set all other factors to be the same.

This is the result of testing with the speakers, all cables, power strip, DAC, etc. all set up as they are.



I know your opinion is also possible.

However, I have the basics to know that Class A amplifiers, especially vacuum tube amplifiers, play with a dull sound before warming up, and then change to a good sound after 30 minutes to 1 hour of warming up. Class A solid static amplifiers over 1000W also need to play music at an appropriate volume for at least 5 to 10 minutes to get proper sound. Before that, they play with a dull sound.

There are two songs that I listen to when I go to set up or test audio system. I have been listening to these two songs for over 17 years. I have at least a standard for comparison and have experience, and I will continue to do so in the future. I also know well that you can't trust human ears and that there are many differences depending on the condition.

People listen to music. And this hi-fi field is not just about sound, but a place where various factors are combined.

Why do ridiculously expensive products sell? People with a lot of money can't be stupid. Everyone has their own standards, and they live as long as they meet those standards.
I think you are drawing several misguided conclusions for this. Trust me and others here. You simply cannot parse out very small differences if levels are not matched, and probably not unless you are blinded as to the gear under audition. You may think you can. You may feel it in various ways you would bet big money or have high confidence, and you will find you are wrong if you ever put yourself to a real test of this. Too many of us have been there and done that. You feel confident in songs you have heard for many years over many systems and yet this is not adequate. It is illusory. Those two songs are not the reference you think they are in your mind's eye.

People with a lot of money and who spend a lot of money are not stupid. Yet they can and do confidently let their biases mislead them. Humans simply are built this way and no one is immune.

There is nothing a $100k plus preamp is doing that some of a few hundred dollars cannot also do. There is no mystery, no magic, no hidden factors beyond those of simple bias.

What do you even imagine that those expensive preamps do that others cannot?

Have you ever tried a simple DAC directly into a power amp? The output stage of those are quite capable of playing a power amp. You need to choose a lower than average level recording so as not to blow things up. You can compare the DAC vs DAC via preamp that way. You cannot do it just going by memory and unmatched comparisons. You would find no difference you can reliably hear at less than $1000.
 
Personally speaking, I would get the phone-book out and look up Dan D'agostino's home phone number.
Then, I realized that this is the 21st Century, and I have neither $20K or a phonebook anymore. :confused:
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Edit: I should've read previous page, where OP is forced to change his mind by wise ASR members...
 
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You need to learn basics like; Vx2=+6 dB or Wx2=+3 dB. This tells you how if you want louder you better get more sensitive SPL/W speakers than power amplifier with little more output. For example a 84 dB SPL/W driver will need 4x more power to get to 90 dB that one with 90 dB sensitivity.

Thank you for your good opinion.

It is good to use high SPL speakers, but the problem is that there are quite a few brands with lower SPL than I thought. So since I can't choose the SPL, I'm looking for an amplifier with high output. Anyway, if the output is high, I can reproduce the appropriate sound even if the speaker SPL is low.

As you said, I will try to learn endlessly. I like learning! I will study hard.


You have the cart before the horse, as it were. I certainly would not want to be the person who got you to buy a $10000+, kilowatt per channel amp, when you then choose a speaker that runs happily on a tenth of that power or less. Do things the right way round and you will be happier, faster.

Thank you for your very appropriate advice. I also understand what you are trying to say.

The reason I have a clear goal and am looking for an amplifier is because my goal is to use large floor speakers with 3-way or more. I want to use speakers that are taller than me, but it is not easy in terms of money or space. However, I have a goal. That is why I am looking for speakers.

As you expected, I live in a country with a fairly wealthy GDP. Of course, I do not have a lot of money. It is just that many people around me use good systems, and I have good relationships with various audio brand importers, so I was able to listen to various products in their demo rooms.

You can think of all the major brands that you can think of as my choice. There are almost no brands that I do not consider.

However, since I started considering Class D amplifiers thanks to your recommendations, I have more money. So I am more greedy about speakers.

I want to try various high-end brands of speakers, so I am waiting for a used product at a good price.

I will choose slowly. Thank you.

Of course it is. You can either shell out a ridiculous amount for it, audiophile style, or track down a used Yamaha Pro power amplifier since they are all Class D today.
Easy.. :D

Yes. Considering the Class D amp, it's a very reasonable price with good specs and performance, and I'm very happy that I have some money to spare.

Just the time gap making those changes nullify your results, tho. How did you measure noise and dynamic range by ear? Let alone "sound qualities like harmonic balance" whatever that is supposed to mean? Like I said, you have a lot of mis-conceptions.

ps let alone level matching or blind....(and quick switching obviously not even possible)

Right. I can't say that I made a proper judgment in that short time. I might have misheard because of my fixed idea or placebo effect.

But what I hear is the most important to me. Of course the specs are important. Of course the measurement values are important too. These two factors can be the criteria for choosing a good product.

No matter how good others say it is, if I'm not satisfied, it's useless. So I have to listen to it and try to choose a product that I'm satisfied with.

Of course, I understand your thoughts that such tests are meaningless. However, most people who buy very expensive hi-fi products pay their money through such meaningless acts. No one buys a product without listening to the sound or comparing it.

Even if it's B&W or McIntosh, they buy it after listening to it.

And one thing I want to say is that if you listen to music with the most expensive products of all the super-expensive brands, such as the new Wilson Audio WAMM, the sound difference is significant even if you change just one interconnect cable. In other words, because the change is big, it's easier to compare. Then, can you say that comparing the differences between preamps in this system is completely meaningless? No, there is a difference.

No matter how much people are mistaken, delusional, and fixed-minded, if there is a difference, they should be able to feel it, and for those who can't feel it, an expensive system is meaningless.

I was lucky enough to listen to the new WAMM system for over a year. I even did the settings myself. The owner of the system asked me to re-set the sound because the amplifier had changed. So I did everything myself, including the speaker positions and module settings.

Since I had to do the settings without EQ, I went there often and set it up for several days.

The sound of a system made up of only the top 1-2 most expensive products from each brand is really on a different level. You have to hear it to express it.

Money isn't everything, but if you build a system with products that have both performance and brand value at a very high price, it will sound fantastic.

Anyway, my listening standards are the most important to me. This will remain the same in the future. If I don't have my own standards, I have to choose based on other people's standards, and if that's the case, I wouldn't have any reason to have this hobby.
 
And one thing I want to say is that if you listen to music with the most expensive products of all the super-expensive brands, such as the new Wilson Audio WAMM, the sound difference is significant even if you change just one interconnect cable.

In other words, because the change is big, it's easier to compare. Then, can you say that comparing the differences between preamps in this system is completely meaningless? No, there is a difference.

Uh oh. Popcorn time. Watching and waiting for barking to begin… :)
 
People with any amount of money can be stupid...
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Luckily, there's no one like that around me. I don't really like those kinds of people, so I don't want to get close to them.

What do you even imagine that those expensive preamps do that others cannot?
Have you ever tried a simple DAC directly into a power amp? The output stage of those are quite capable of playing a power amp.

I understand what you're saying. I know it too, that an expensive preamp is always better.

But, there are good ones among expensive preamps. They're just ridiculously expensive. But those amps can do some things that preamps that cost a few hundred dollars can't do better. My standard expensive preamp is that if it costs more than 20,000 to 30,000 dollars, it will reproduce the sound of the connected DAC. Many famous brand preamps.

I used the old dCS Scalati system directly connected to the amp. I never listened to it loud enough to damage the equipment. When I compare, I listen at a volume of at least 85dB. That way, I can properly check the low frequency sound. The standard for comparison is to compare with.

And regardless of the price of the preamp, even if it produces accurate sound without sound distortion, I don't need a preamp. I don't plan on connecting analog source devices. I have no intention of using a tuner, turntable, reel tape, CDP, etc.

I'll just listen to music conveniently through streaming services like Tidal or Qobuz.

Edit: I should've read previous page, where OT is forced to change his mind by wise ASR members...

It's a funny joke. Many founders of famous brands have passed away. It's such a shame.

And I never forced you to change! On the contrary, I answered because you think that the situation I compared was done in a situation where you couldn't properly compare the systems.

Guys. Honestly, we're talking about the same thing. I don't think expensive products are necessarily good products, right?

And I can really distinguish sounds well. Let's just say I can and move on. This is a problem that can't be solved without meeting in person and making a judgment.
 
snip.......And one thing I want to say is that if you listen to music with the most expensive products of all the super-expensive brands, such as the new Wilson Audio WAMM, the sound difference is significant even if you change just one interconnect cable. In other words, because the change is big, it's easier to compare. Then, can you say that comparing the differences between preamps in this system is completely meaningless? No, there is a difference.......snip
And how does this square with Dave Wilson doing that demo with a $1000 amp with music sourced from an old iPod if one single interconnect is changed? If that were true, and he was competing against a speaker even more expensive than the one he was using you think he would do such a thing? But he did bother to put those super expensive items out on the rack so people thought he was using that mega-buck gear. That was the most important part of the "illusion".
 
Hey guys. I asked for amp recommendations, not to talk about my hearing.

You guys have told me enough about the goodness of class D amps, so let's stop talking about anything other than amps.

I understand what you guys are saying, and I will choose a class D amp and build a system. Okay?

Let's stop this pointless behavior.
 
And how does this square with Dave Wilson doing that demo with a $1000 amp with music sourced from an old iPod if one single interconnect is changed? If that were true, and he was competing against a speaker even more expensive than the one he was using you think he would do such a thing? But he did bother to put those super expensive items out on the rack so people thought he was using that mega-buck gear. That was the most important part of the "illusion".

Okay. I understand that this is a pointless move and that it's a situation where you can easily lose money if you do it wrong.

So I'm going to buy only good speakers and decorate the rest with the Class D amp and $200 DAC you mentioned. I'll listen to it and decide for myself!
 
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