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Are active speakers the future? (YouTube series)

Just trying to wrap my head around use of the term "active speakers".
Yes, it’s pretty confusing when you’re trying to get into the topic, because the term is used for a wide variety of setups. Let me break it down for you:

In common parlance, “active” often simply means: The speaker has a built-in amplifier and can be connected directly to a source. Technically speaking, however, this is only a very rough description, because there are several fundamentally different concepts that all fall under this term, which is why you (and others) are confused.

The simplest—and actually least convincing—variant is the so-called source-satellite principle. In this setup, only one speaker has a built-in power amplifier that drives both speakers. A classic passive crossover, with all its drawbacks, is still located between the individual drivers. Electrically, the system is essentially a normal passive speaker in which the amplifier has simply been integrated into the enclosure. The signal path remains identical to that of a conventional passive system, and the typical drawbacks of passive crossovers—energy loss, reduced control over the individual drivers, and limited optimization options—persist. Strictly speaking, therefore, it is more of a passive speaker with a built-in amplifier than a true active system.

In my view, systems marketed as “active” in this configuration are nothing but false advertising and a rip-off for consumers.

A significantly more sophisticated concept and TRUE active speakers are those with an electronic crossover. Here, the signal is split into the individual frequency ranges at line level—that is, before the amplifiers. Each driver then receives its own amplifier channel. For a long time, this was the classic design of professional active monitors and many PA systems. The frequency division was carried out entirely analog via electronic filters. This principle already offered significant advantages over passive crossovers: the power amplifiers drive the respective drivers directly, component losses are eliminated, and crossover frequencies as well as filter characteristics can be defined more precisely. For many years, this analog active technology was the standard in studio monitors. It still exists today; examples include HEDD Core, PSI (just tested by Amir), and ATC, but there are others as well.

My first active speakers were the Grundig XSM 3000 with a Grundig 6500 Preceiver. A great system that I fondly look back on.

Today, in modern active speakers, a DSP (Digital Signal Processor) typically handles frequency division and signal processing. The input signal is digitally filtered, equalized, and time-aligned. Only then is it sent to the individual amplifiers, each of which powers a driver. These are often compact Class-D power amplifiers that are integrated directly into the speaker. This design enables additional functions such as precise phase corrections, delay adjustments, protection limits, room corrections, or complex equalization of the drivers and the enclosure. The downside is latency, although modern systems now offer adjustment options for very low latency.

However, the electronics do not necessarily have to be located inside the speaker itself. Especially in the high-end hi-fi sector and in professional PA systems, it is very common for the active components to be housed in separate devices. In this case, the electronic or digital crossover—often implemented as a DSP controller—is located in an external processor or preamplifier. From there, multiple power amplifier channels are driven, which in turn are directly connected to the individual drivers of the loudspeaker. The loudspeaker itself then no longer contains any crossover and is, technically speaking, a “bare” chassis system.

This design is found, for example, in many large sound reinforcement systems, in professional studio monitor systems with external controllers, and in high-end active hi-fi systems. The advantage is that the electronics and amplifiers can be sized and maintained independently of the speaker enclosure. In addition, powerful power amplifiers and complex DSP functions are easier to implement than if everything had to be housed in a compact speaker enclosure.

I still have this setup here, and it was my “modular system” for a long time because, if you build a lot yourself, this is the fastest way to swap things out. For those who just want a good active speaker in their living room long-term and have to consider the WAF, integrated designs with plate amplifiers, like the Hypex Plates, are the best choice.

The term “active speaker” thus encompasses many technical levels, all of which are called “active”—but are completely different. It can refer to a simple speaker with a built-in amplifier (which is total nonsense and, in my opinion, not an active system), an analog active-separated system with separate power amplifiers per driver, or a modern DSP-based multi-channel system with fully digital signal processing—regardless of whether the electronics are integrated into the speaker or operated as external active electronics.

Ultimately, however, there is only one crucial factor when it comes to TRUE active speakers: the crossover occurs before the amplifiers, and each driver is powered by its own amplifier channel; otherwise, in my opinion, it is not an active system, but rather a misrepresentation.
Sigberg, the creator of the thread, uses, for example, the latest iteration of the modern active speaker principle, namely DSP-controlled Hypex Ncore digital modules.
I hope that gave you a brief overview.
 
Excellent job, thank you.

IMO "active system" as you used several times, carries that meaning with greater clarity.

The edge cases of analog-only, and centralized rather than speaker-bundled electronics are interesting.

So a "bare chassis" is then a passive speaker box without any crossovers?
 
Fun fact: this is the first product from Genelec. The year is 1976, special order from YLE, 70 pairs. Linelevel crossover, triamp.
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Yes, it's a modifed Yamaha :). Genelec S45YA. As I understand YLE (Finnish broadcast Corp) requested an active monitor, it was in the science of the time. Norwegian Broadcast Corporation chose to cooperate with SEAS and Adyton (see picture 3). BBC made the LS3/5a, silly people.

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And here is the NRK/SEAS/ADYTON. 12" woofer.
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The first crossover/amp came from Swedish Xelex spec'ed at 3x125w max (125/15/6w sustained), later replaced by Adyton.
Here's from their development manifesto - in Norwegian, but maybe some AI can translate? I'm too lazy.

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They made a few of these for a few years, before getting Genelec 1022, 1024, 1030, 1031, 1032. NRK is now replacing this series with new Genelecs of many models, from 8030c and up. I bought a few of the old ones ;).
And here is a current studio shot from YLE.
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Anyway, in 1976 the answer was "yes - the future is active" - at least for professional studio monitoring. Genelec passed 1 million monitors made -10 years ago! GLM is 20 years old. Welcome to the future :)?
 
BBC made the LS3/5a, silly people.
While I also admire Genelec, I don't agree with above, LS3/5A was engineered for small broadcast vans, they had also main monitors like various LS5 models.
Also the scientific contribution of BBC to the engineering of neutral monitors is undeniable, below is an excerpt of their corresponding papers:

YearReport NumberTitle / SubjectKey Innovation
19581958/31A Survey of Performance Criteria for High-Quality Monitoring LoudspeakersDefined the "neutrality" standard for the BBC.
19651965/17Design of a New Free-Field Sound Measurement RoomEstablished the testing environment for all future designs.
19661966/28The Design of a Low-Frequency Unit for Monitoring LoudspeakersThe first major move to Bextrene cones to replace paper.
19671967/57The Design of Studio Monitoring Loudspeakers LS5/5 and LS5/6Detailed the first high-quality 3-way plastic cone systems.
19761976/29The Design of the Miniature Monitoring Loudspeaker LS3/5AThe technical blueprint for the world's most famous "mini-monitor."
19791979/22Design of the High-Level Studio Monitoring Loudspeaker LS5/8Introduced Polypropylene and active crossover technology.
19831983/10The Design of the Studio Monitoring Loudspeaker LS5/9Focused on creating a smaller alternative to the LS5/8.
 
@dagfinn That is fun, one my childhood friends had those (unmodified) Yamahas. :)

The Norwegian text says roughly:

2.1 System philsophy
The main requirement was that the loudspeaker system should be capable of high sound pressure, have good transient capabilities and good dispersion. Further it was requested to have crossovers that were easy to adjust, and that separate level adjustment for each frequency band should also be performed easily.

These requirements points towards direct amplification of the loudspeaker drivers and separate amplifiers for each frequency band, and line level crossovers in front of each amplifier. This is also the solution that was chosen. With this configuration we achieved a better damping factor for the drivers than what would have been possible with traditional crossovers.

Statistical analysis of the spectral and amplitude distribution in music shows that the largest average levels are present in the bass and to some extent the midrange band, depending on music genre. Traditionally, loudspeaker drivers has been dimensioned so that the midrange and tweeters had a capacity of roughly 30-50% and 10-20% of the bass driver respectively. Note that these analysis provides statistical averages, and doesn't tell us much about the absolute maximum levels in each band.

Newer research shows that the maximum levels in the midrange and treble area can have momentary values at the same levels as the bass area, and that it is a clear correlation between good sound reproduction and correct reproduction of these maximum levels.
 
So a "bare chassis" is then a passive speaker box without any crossovers?
I think those are just inaccuracies in the translation.
Actually, I wasn't referring just to the speaker driver itself, but of course to the driver(s) mounted in the appropriate enclosure - but without a passive crossover.
 
Newer research shows that the maximum levels in the midrange and treble area can have momentary values at the same levels as the bass area, and that it is a clear correlation between good sound reproduction and correct reproduction of these maximum levels.
Yes, that's an important point - it's always good to have plenty of undistorted power available.
It is just as important that the speakers are capable of converting power into sound pressure without distortion. Unfortunately, electronics are still far ahead of speakers.
 
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Just researching measurement mics and phantom power, apparently invented on special order by Neuman for Norwegian Radio studios, to power mic's off their 48V lighting system
 
I think those are just inaccuracies in the translation.
Actually, I wasn't referring just to the speaker driver itself, but of course to the driver(s) mounted in the appropriate enclosure - but without a passive crossover.

So, building "active systems" - defined as line-level crossovers, each driver on its own amplifier output channel (aka bi- / tri-amping)

in this case using crossover-less passive speaker enclosures.

I see this more modular approach, as potentially "better than" active speakers, aka bundling all the electronics into each speaker cabinet.
 
From Guntars Smits "We Finally Solved High-End Audio... Except for ONE Thing

So many links in the signal chain are near "solved"

except speakers

Delves into active Systems using crossover-less passive speaker enclosures, one amp per driver

and compensating EQ, crossovers, bass management etc

Anyone recognise that twist-lock multi-pair connector?

 
So, building "active systems" - defined as line-level crossovers, each driver on its own amplifier output channel (aka bi- / tri-amping)

in this case using crossover-less passive speaker enclosures.

I see this more modular approach, as potentially "better than" active speakers, aka bundling all the electronics into each speaker cabinet.
It's not about better or worst but use case also.
Some main monitors for example used flush-mounted in studios, these have to have their electronics out of the cabinet.

Or simply power and ease, Genelec 8381A for example has a separate rack for the electronics.
 
The answer is undoubtedly yes, both in the future and even now.

In the past, I witnessed a phenomenon where a person might have to turn on the switches of nearly ten machines to listen to music, not to mention the space it occupied and the tangled wires. Back then, I might have thought it was the startup ceremony for high-end audio equipment, but now I think it's more like a pure slapstick performance by Charlie Chaplin...

Hahaha. It's undeniable that some active speakers are of poor quality and break down after the warranty period, but amplifiers can also fail. In China, smart speakers are now more popular. With AI, you can have a conversation with them, ask any questions and control home appliances.

I hope KEF can also produce speakers with superb sound quality and incorporate smart features. This is the only way out for the HIFI industry. In the future, there won't be any DACs, amps, pre-amps, or all those various messy devices and wires. They will all go out of business.

Just two floor-standing or bookshelf speakers, which automatically calibrate the sound field and network configuration upon startup, and you can directly have a conversation with them. If I want to listen to a certain song, I just need to say one sentence.

Finally, I hope KEF can see this. After all, it's a Chinese audio company. You can definitely integrate with those LLMs in China. But the most important thing is to ensure the sound quality, make everything intelligent, and be completely simple, efficient and beautiful!
 
So, building "active systems" - defined as line-level crossovers, each driver on its own amplifier output channel (aka bi- / tri-amping)

in this case using crossover-less passive speaker enclosures.

I see this more modular approach, as potentially "better than" active speakers, aka bundling all the electronics into each speaker cabinet.
Agreed - the bundled speaker seems to define "active" for most and is probably a commercial necessity but it's not an intrinsic part of active design.
 
Exactly the distinctions I clarified to myself after further research.

Active System meaning overall

vs Active Speakers as a component / product class, does not necessarily imply the above.

And Active vs. Passive Crossovers,

DSP vs. Analog Processing are again separate distinctions

The latter in both cases associated with "old school" approaches considered irrational by many here.
 
Yes, it’s pretty confusing when you’re trying to get into the topic, because the term is used for a wide variety of setups. Let me break it down for you:

In common parlance, “active” often simply means: The speaker has a built-in amplifier and can be connected directly to a source. Technically speaking, however, this is only a very rough description, because there are several fundamentally different concepts that all fall under this term, which is why you (and others) are confused.

The simplest—and actually least convincing—variant is the so-called source-satellite principle. In this setup, only one speaker has a built-in power amplifier that drives both speakers. A classic passive crossover, with all its drawbacks, is still located between the individual drivers. Electrically, the system is essentially a normal passive speaker in which the amplifier has simply been integrated into the enclosure. The signal path remains identical to that of a conventional passive system, and the typical drawbacks of passive crossovers—energy loss, reduced control over the individual drivers, and limited optimization options—persist. Strictly speaking, therefore, it is more of a passive speaker with a built-in amplifier than a true active system.

In my view, systems marketed as “active” in this configuration are nothing but false advertising and a rip-off for consumers.

A significantly more sophisticated concept and TRUE active speakers are those with an electronic crossover. Here, the signal is split into the individual frequency ranges at line level—that is, before the amplifiers. Each driver then receives its own amplifier channel. For a long time, this was the classic design of professional active monitors and many PA systems. The frequency division was carried out entirely analog via electronic filters. This principle already offered significant advantages over passive crossovers: the power amplifiers drive the respective drivers directly, component losses are eliminated, and crossover frequencies as well as filter characteristics can be defined more precisely. For many years, this analog active technology was the standard in studio monitors. It still exists today; examples include HEDD Core, PSI (just tested by Amir), and ATC, but there are others as well.

My first active speakers were the Grundig XSM 3000 with a Grundig 6500 Preceiver. A great system that I fondly look back on.

Today, in modern active speakers, a DSP (Digital Signal Processor) typically handles frequency division and signal processing. The input signal is digitally filtered, equalized, and time-aligned. Only then is it sent to the individual amplifiers, each of which powers a driver. These are often compact Class-D power amplifiers that are integrated directly into the speaker. This design enables additional functions such as precise phase corrections, delay adjustments, protection limits, room corrections, or complex equalization of the drivers and the enclosure. The downside is latency, although modern systems now offer adjustment options for very low latency.

However, the electronics do not necessarily have to be located inside the speaker itself. Especially in the high-end hi-fi sector and in professional PA systems, it is very common for the active components to be housed in separate devices. In this case, the electronic or digital crossover—often implemented as a DSP controller—is located in an external processor or preamplifier. From there, multiple power amplifier channels are driven, which in turn are directly connected to the individual drivers of the loudspeaker. The loudspeaker itself then no longer contains any crossover and is, technically speaking, a “bare” chassis system.

This design is found, for example, in many large sound reinforcement systems, in professional studio monitor systems with external controllers, and in high-end active hi-fi systems. The advantage is that the electronics and amplifiers can be sized and maintained independently of the speaker enclosure. In addition, powerful power amplifiers and complex DSP functions are easier to implement than if everything had to be housed in a compact speaker enclosure.

I still have this setup here, and it was my “modular system” for a long time because, if you build a lot yourself, this is the fastest way to swap things out. For those who just want a good active speaker in their living room long-term and have to consider the WAF, integrated designs with plate amplifiers, like the Hypex Plates, are the best choice.

The term “active speaker” thus encompasses many technical levels, all of which are called “active”—but are completely different. It can refer to a simple speaker with a built-in amplifier (which is total nonsense and, in my opinion, not an active system), an analog active-separated system with separate power amplifiers per driver, or a modern DSP-based multi-channel system with fully digital signal processing—regardless of whether the electronics are integrated into the speaker or operated as external active electronics.

Ultimately, however, there is only one crucial factor when it comes to TRUE active speakers: the crossover occurs before the amplifiers, and each driver is powered by its own amplifier channel; otherwise, in my opinion, it is not an active system, but rather a misrepresentation.
Sigberg, the creator of the thread, uses, for example, the latest iteration of the modern active speaker principle, namely DSP-controlled Hypex Ncore digital modules.
I hope that gave you a brief overview.

Correct.

And that's why generic discussions that lump together "all active speakers" and "all passive seakers" are fundamentally flawed from the start.

We do *know* (as in this is not a matter of "belief" at all) that *true* active speakers *can* leverage several potential design advantages to gain a possible SQ edge. We also *know* not every active speaker design leverages those.

Now onto my *belief": IMO, we have not found the optimal feature distribution. Should those true active speakers also integrate software for every streaming service or room correction? Smartphone vendors now -finally!- provide longer software support windows... but those also tap out after 5 to (max) 7 years or so (used to be two or three). If I accuse Microsoft of being self-serving when they discontinue support for my $3k 2018-edition desktop computer with high end components... wouldn't I be even more upset if that happens to $7k+ active speakers? :-)
 
The simplest—and actually least convincing—variant is the so-called source-satellite principle. In this setup, only one speaker has a built-in power amplifier that drives both speakers. A classic passive crossover, with all its drawbacks, is still located between the individual drivers. Electrically, the system is essentially a normal passive speaker in which the amplifier has simply been integrated into the enclosure. The signal path remains identical to that of a conventional passive system, and the typical drawbacks of passive crossovers—energy loss, reduced control over the individual drivers, and limited optimization options—persist. Strictly speaking, therefore, it is more of a passive speaker with a built-in amplifier than a true active system.

In my view, systems marketed as “active” in this configuration are nothing but false advertising and a rip-off for consumers.
I see no reason why such a system could not include DSP supporting most features you find in multi-amp speakers. DSP is cheap today and a combination of simple passive x-over with digital EQ could be a good solution when it comes to cost/performance ratio. Bass extension, user EQ, room EQ, multiband-limiter even phase linearization would be possible. Maybe add app control and wireless streaming to fully remove external components. And given the potentially low cost of such a speaker, one may not worry too much about SW support in 10 years. Seems like an attractive package and in fact such systems are selling quite well. Hardly a rip-off for consumers as most buy based on features not because speakers are considered active. For ultimate fidelity fully active is still the way to go. And in such case I would avoid any SW that requires updates to keep working.
 
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