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Apollon Audio complaints

It has been shipped already? I have not received a shipping notice. Why not?
I was originally told that the “paint shop” had to prepare the paint. Now maybe the paint shop is not part of their company I do not know.
As far as me damaging the paint, Tibor is correct. But what he is not telling you is that the amp did not fit in my rack and I realized this as I was trying to put it in and a few scratches happened. He sent me a message that he would tell me how to get it in but after waiting several hours for a reply I got advice from another member. I sent him several messages. He got back to me the next day.
I own two other multichannel amps and according to the website all three of the amps have the same width and relative depth. So I assumed that this one would just slide in as the other two did and without damage. After I scratched the paint on the new one I decided to measure them all and wouldn’t you know the multichannel amps are a few millimeters narrower. But the website has them all the same size. Would you not assume that the new one would just slide in? I would and did.

The owner’s go to answer is always to blame the customer or at least it seems to be. It is frustrating. With that said I love my amps and am glad in the end that I purchased them
Can I ask you something directly? Is the width of the amplifier 450 mm, exactly as specified on our website? The answer is yes.

The issue was not the amplifier’s dimensions but the rack rails in your setup, which were not aligned correctly. As another member already pointed out to you, the rails were narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. That is why the unit did not slide in properly. This is not a fault of the amplifier, and it is not fair to suggest otherwise.

I am not blaming you, accidents happen, but I will always defend our company if incorrect information is being posted. We delivered the amplifier exactly as described, at 450 mm width. The scratches occurred during installation because of the rack issue, not because of a manufacturing or specification error.

Despite this, I still offered my goodwill: free support, free touch-up paint, and even a free repaint if you ever decide to sell the unit. Instead of appreciation for these gestures, you have chosen to portray us as “disorganized.” That is not accurate and does not reflect the reality of how we handled your situation.

I am glad to read that you enjoy the amplifiers and are happy with their performance. But please, let’s keep the facts correct.
 
Can I ask you something directly? Is the width of the amplifier 450 mm, exactly as specified on our website? The answer is yes.

The issue was not the amplifier’s dimensions but the rack rails in your setup, which were not aligned correctly. As another member already pointed out to you, the rails were narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. That is why the unit did not slide in properly. This is not a fault of the amplifier, and it is not fair to suggest otherwise.

I am not blaming you, accidents happen, but I will always defend our company if incorrect information is being posted. We delivered the amplifier exactly as described, at 450 mm width. The scratches occurred during installation because of the rack issue, not because of a manufacturing or specification error.

Despite this, I still offered my goodwill: free support, free touch-up paint, and even a free repaint if you ever decide to sell the unit. Instead of appreciation for these gestures, you have chosen to portray us as “disorganized.” That is not accurate and does not reflect the reality of how we handled your situation.

I am glad to read that you enjoy the amplifiers and are happy with their performance. But please, let’s keep the facts correct.
Yes facts. As is a popular statement of the current Administration in America, one person’s facts may not be another person’s facts. All of the amplifiers I own say 450mm but on actual measurements that is not the case. Since the other two fit in without issue I assumed and in my understanding and why would I assume otherwise that the new amplifier would be any different. The member who helped me never said or at least in the postings that I read that ended up solving my problem that the rails were narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. The solution was to loosen all of the screws that held into place ALL of my components from top to bottom. That was the correct solution. Why did you not suggest that right from the start when I asked you why my unit did not fit and this was before I put a large scratch in the top. Maybe it was because you did not know? In those discussions you just kept saying that it should fit because they always fit and they are made to “exacting” measurements even though the other two that I own say they are 450 mm when they are narrower. Basically to sum it up and I think this is what frustrates people with your company is that you are always right and the customer is always wrong or doing something wrong. People I can in the States do not like that. We appreciate a manufacturer or retail owner to work with the customer to solve a problem and not blame the customer. You may not think you are blaming the customer but that is how it feels to me and from what I have read on the forum the same to many others.
You are more than welcome to continue to say that those are not the facts but I am done responding to you and hopefully I will receive my touch up pain in the near future as you said it has “already been shipped”- even though I have no tracking number. So I should have it within the week or so. If not, I will be back on this forum
 
Yes facts. As is a popular statement of the current Administration in America, one person’s facts may not be another person’s facts. All of the amplifiers I own say 450mm but on actual measurements that is not the case. Since the other two fit in without issue I assumed and in my understanding and why would I assume otherwise that the new amplifier would be any different. The member who helped me never said or at least in the postings that I read that ended up solving my problem that the rails were narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. The solution was to loosen all of the screws that held into place ALL of my components from top to bottom. That was the correct solution. Why did you not suggest that right from the start when I asked you why my unit did not fit and this was before I put a large scratch in the top. Maybe it was because you did not know? In those discussions you just kept saying that it should fit because they always fit and they are made to “exacting” measurements even though the other two that I own say they are 450 mm when they are narrower. Basically to sum it up and I think this is what frustrates people with your company is that you are always right and the customer is always wrong or doing something wrong. People I can in the States do not like that. We appreciate a manufacturer or retail owner to work with the customer to solve a problem and not blame the customer. You may not think you are blaming the customer but that is how it feels to me and from what I have read on the forum the same to many others.
You are more than welcome to continue to say that those are not the facts but I am done responding to you and hopefully I will receive my touch up pain in the near future as you said it has “already been shipped”- even though I have no tracking number. So I should have it within the week or so. If not, I will be back on this forum

I can understand your frustration when you damaged a brand new expensive amp trying to install it. 100% your fault and this has nothing to do with "people in the States" or other bizarre statements. You know what a company "in the States" could reasonably tell you? You damaged the item yourself after improper installation, tough luck. Not offer to repaint it for free because of your screw up.

I'm happy to give Tibor and Apollon feedback on their communications which seems to often have some degree of delay and/or overly optimistic timelines for delivery. This has been well documented. However, you're trying to pin problems of your own creation on the manufacturer. This is on you.
 
Yes facts. As is a popular statement of the current Administration in America, one person’s facts may not be another person’s facts. All of the amplifiers I own say 450mm but on actual measurements that is not the case. Since the other two fit in without issue I assumed and in my understanding and why would I assume otherwise that the new amplifier would be any different. The member who helped me never said or at least in the postings that I read that ended up solving my problem that the rails were narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. The solution was to loosen all of the screws that held into place ALL of my components from top to bottom. That was the correct solution. Why did you not suggest that right from the start when I asked you why my unit did not fit and this was before I put a large scratch in the top. Maybe it was because you did not know? In those discussions you just kept saying that it should fit because they always fit and they are made to “exacting” measurements even though the other two that I own say they are 450 mm when they are narrower. Basically to sum it up and I think this is what frustrates people with your company is that you are always right and the customer is always wrong or doing something wrong. People I can in the States do not like that. We appreciate a manufacturer or retail owner to work with the customer to solve a problem and not blame the customer. You may not think you are blaming the customer but that is how it feels to me and from what I have read on the forum the same to many others.
You are more than welcome to continue to say that those are not the facts but I am done responding to you and hopefully I will receive my touch up pain in the near future as you said it has “already been shipped”- even though I have no tracking number. So I should have it within the week or so. If not, I will be back on this forum
Our smaller premium multichannel amplifiers have a published specification of 445 mm width, while the larger premium multichannel models and all premium dual mono models are specified at 450 mm width. These are documented facts, and cannot be disregarded. If you assumed all were identical without checking, that is a misunderstanding of the published specifications, not an error on our side. You also caused damage to the front of the smaller amplifier, which has nothing to do with its width. The scratches occurred because the unit was handled and mounted improperly on your own. Those are simply the facts.

In my direct message to you, from the beginning my assessment was that there must be an issue with the alignment of your rack rails.

I am not blaming customers for anything on this forum. I am representing Apollon Audio, and when false or misleading claims are made, it is my responsibility to address them professionally. The way you continue to phrase your comments, however, comes across as unnecessarily rude. What customers expect has nothing to do with nationality. Precision, respect, and accuracy are universal values.

Regarding the paint: I never promised an express shipment. I clearly stated that our paint shop needed to prepare the correction paint, and once it was ready, we would ship it. It has since been shipped, as promised.

By your own admission, your rack rails were misaligned, and you had to loosen all components so that the rails could be properly aligned. In our conversation, I explained what the rack-mount standards and amplifier dimensions are. Once the rack was corrected, the amplifier fit exactly as designed. The scratches occurred because you attempted to mount a 20 kg (44 lb) device on your own, which is never advisable. This was not caused by the product.

Even so, I offered support, free correction paint, and even a repaint option, goodwill gestures that go beyond any manufacturer’s obligation. Instead of showing a degree of appreciation for that, you continue to portray us as "disorganised". That is both unfair and inaccurate.

I believe the record is now clear for forum readers: the amplifier was built exactly to specification, the fitting issue was caused by rack alignment, and despite the fault being on your side, we still extended goodwill to help resolve the situation.
 

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Yes facts. As is a popular statement of the current Administration in America, one person’s facts may not be another person’s facts. All of the amplifiers I own say 450mm but on actual measurements that is not the case. Since the other two fit in without issue I assumed and in my understanding and why would I assume otherwise that the new amplifier would be any different. The member who helped me never said or at least in the postings that I read that ended up solving my problem that the rails were narrower at the top and wider at the bottom. The solution was to loosen all of the screws that held into place ALL of my components from top to bottom. That was the correct solution. Why did you not suggest that right from the start when I asked you why my unit did not fit and this was before I put a large scratch in the top. Maybe it was because you did not know? In those discussions you just kept saying that it should fit because they always fit and they are made to “exacting” measurements even though the other two that I own say they are 450 mm when they are narrower. Basically to sum it up and I think this is what frustrates people with your company is that you are always right and the customer is always wrong or doing something wrong. People I can in the States do not like that. We appreciate a manufacturer or retail owner to work with the customer to solve a problem and not blame the customer. You may not think you are blaming the customer but that is how it feels to me and from what I have read on the forum the same to many others.
You are more than welcome to continue to say that those are not the facts but I am done responding to you and hopefully I will receive my touch up pain in the near future as you said it has “already been shipped”- even though I have no tracking number. So I should have it within the week or so. If not, I will be back on this forum
I have to be honest, seems like Apollon is going well over and beyond anything that would reasonably be expected in this scenario.

Yes facts. As is a popular statement of the current Administration in America, one person’s facts may not be another person’s facts
Neither relevant nor helpful to your argument and certainly not “objective”.
 
Hi, didn´t receive anything yet?
@Apollon Audio 2 months later and again no further information received. The promised launch until end of July is also overdue. That´s a pitty but I think I´m done with this company and will sell my apollon amp.
 
@Apollon Audio 2 months later and again no further information received. The promised launch until end of July is also overdue. That´s a pitty but I think I´m done with this company and will sell my apollon amp.
The release of our DAC/Preamplifier has been slightly delayed due to our contractor being affected by summertime holiday schedules, which pushed back some of the final steps. That’s why I wasn’t able to provide complete details earlier about the new product to you.

We are now back on track and, if everything continues as planned, the release will happen this month.

I understand the impatience, but we prefer to give final accurate information about new products once everything is confirmed rather than making promises we cannot guarantee.
 
Interesting, after my order was delivered some months (I mean in Feb) ago, I finally got confirmation that my order is complete..
 
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Can't help but wonder why Apollon doesn't take a page from Decware's book and put new orders on a wait list. Seems like Apollon has both the demand and the reputation to justify it. And — Lord knows — Apollon can deliver much faster than the two and three years people are willing to wait for Decware's tube amps.

Amps are hand-built to order. There are presently lots of orders on our real time build sheet. A 10% deposit secures your place on the list with today's date and time stamp. Balance is due when it's ready to ship. You will be sent a final invoice with the total price including actual shipping costs by our office during your wait.
 
I hope that I am never made so ill from the Hifi hobby that I am prepared to wait 2-3 years for a tube amp.
 
Thank you very much for taking the time to share your experience. It’s true that on forums it is usually those with issues who speak up the loudest, so it means a lot when a happy customer also shares their impressions.

You’ve pointed out exactly what Apollon is all about, build quality, craftsmanship, and long-term enjoyment. We put enormous attention into the details, from the machining and finish to the high-quality connectors and wiring, because we want every amplifier to look and feel as high-end as it performs.

We also take your constructive comments seriously, especially regarding lead times. This is an area we are already improving, and feedback like yours helps us refine the experience further.

Thank you again for trusting us with your purchase, and for highlighting the qualities that define our work.
Excellent Amplifiers and Tibor and his team response to quickly resolve most any issue his customers may have. Otherwise, these amps are well worth every penny.
 
I have been waiting for touch up paint for close to two months now. A month ago, Tibor on this site posted that my touch up paint had been mailed to me, I do not have it yet and that makes me question whether or not it was really sent
 
Just wanted to follow up on my last comment in this thread. Soon after I made it, I received my 9040 amps, although it was quite a bit of a back and forth between the shipper, Apollon, and me to get customs duty paid.

Overall I am happy with the amps. I am not an audio pro to give proper comparisons/evaluations, but I wanted to get top of the line system that fits my space and power preferences so that not to have any FOMO.

I ended up with StormAudio ISP EVO (AES/EBU model), oktoresearch dac8 PRO, Apollon 9040 dual mono for left and right channels and a single channel 9040 for my center, B&W 802 D4 front speakers, HTM81 D4 center, DB1D sub. I use LG G5 TV as my primary source connected to the processor via eARC. Other sources, such as DVD player and HTPC are connected to the TV.
 
You are lucky. I have been waiting months for touch up paint that I was told in this forum had been mailed to me in the summer. He also refuses to respond to my DMs. Their customer service is never going to change beat all starts from the top.
 
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