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Apollon Audio complaints

@ satow: Why are you using a Shiit Freya preamp when you have a Gustard DAC with variable volume ? You are so injecting distortion and noise into the amp, so why having a nearly perfect Purifi amp for using it that way ? Glad to hear your point, thanks in advance
 
@ satow: Why are you using a Shiit Freya preamp when you have a Gustard DAC with variable volume ? You are so injecting distortion and noise into the amp, so why having a nearly perfect Purifi amp for using it that way ? Glad to hear your point, thanks in advance
The simplest and most obvious answer would be:
I don't connect a power amplifier directly to a DAC because I don't trust DACs.
 
This is turning into another "user claims audible XY which doesn't exist"-discussion. That would be fine, if it weren't very off-topic because this is a buying experience thread. Could you maybe continue this in a separate one?

I was extremely pleased with my Apollon Purifi 1ET9040BA DM power amp, and my only goal here was to share how smooth and professional the purchase and delivery experience was. In my experience, they’re a small, honest company building some of the best‑executed custom digital amps I’ve heard.

I didn’t expect the thread to get derailed by others jumping in with generalized, oversimplified claims that have nothing to do with Apollon or my experience. Getting good sound isn’t just about chasing technical specs — you can buy something like the SMSL SU‑10, which I also own and which measures extremely well, but in my system it doesn’t produce the same quality of sound because it isn’t matched to the rest of the chain. Every component interacts, and you have to build a system where the DAC, preamp, amp, and speakers complement each other if you want your speakers to perform at their best.
 
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To come back to Apollon: I have ordered last week the Purifi 1ET9040 in the Lux version, and they told me that it will be delivered on the 12th of May, so a bit longer than the 14 working days but it is OK, at least I know....and if the casing is really that nice, it will be worth the wait ! I hope that it will not behave like the BoXem monos I've had last summer (also 1ET9040) = 1 of them steadily went into security mode (no sound...) after a couple of minutes. BoXem told me it was due to the power cord, which I hardly believe, and took them back at my request
 
To come back to Apollon: I have ordered last week the Purifi 1ET9040 in the Lux version, and they told me that it will be delivered on the 12th of May, so a bit longer than the 14 working days but it is OK, at least I know....and if the casing is really that nice, it will be worth the wait ! I hope that it will not behave like the BoXem monos I've had last summer (also 1ET9040) = 1 of them steadily went into security mode (no sound...) after a couple of minutes. BoXem told me it was due to the power cord, which I hardly believe, and took them back at my request
That's super interesting. I've never dealt with Boxem. I was almost going to buy from VTV, but I thought the design and configuration of the Apollon Purifi 1ET9040BA DM was better. I went to the Boxem web page and was also impressed by their build quality. Slight differences in the implementation and execution.
 
Hi everyone, first post on the forum.

I’m sorry to report this, as I would much prefer to share a fully positive experience. Based on both my initial interactions and the technical feedback available online, I do believe that the person behind Apollon Audio is very competent and professional from an engineering standpoint. However, I hope this feedback can serve as a constructive signal that the commercial and communication side clearly needs improvement.

I’d like to add a recent datapoint, as my experience seems to align with the communication issues already discussed here regarding Apollon Audio.

I placed an order for a Purifi Eigentakt 1ET6525SA Multichannel Apollon Audio Amplifier (3 Channel) with Sonic Imagery 994.
  • Pre-order phase:
    Communication with Tibor was responsive and helpful. All initial questions were answered clearly.
  • After placing the order:
    After submitting and paying for the order (bank transfer), communication dropped off completely.
  • Current status:
    • I did receive an order confirmation email (with a significant delay, ~8 days after payment), stating that the order is “now being processed”
    • However, I have received no direct confirmation of payment matching, no indication that the unit is actually in production, and no replies to multiple follow-up emails
    • My questions (power cable, RCA recommendations, shipping/logistics) remain unanswered
  • Timing / expectations:
    I am now roughly halfway through the originally indicated lead time, but I still have zero visibility on actual production status or estimated completion.

At this point, the issue is not a minor delay but a complete lack of communication after payment, despite multiple attempts over a period of about two weeks.

For a purchase in the several-thousand-euro range, this level of silence is, frankly, not acceptable.

I’m still hoping this is a temporary backlog rather than standard practice, but I believe it’s important to report this experience for transparency.

I’ll gladly share any positive updates if the situation improves, and I genuinely hope to do so soon.
 
Hi Roberto
Did you try the Chat on their Website ? I received an answer within 24h to my question. Very reactive
For me the delivery time is OK since it is a special/customer made solution...
I think you are worrying a bit to much. The answer said 'order in process", and a expected lead time has been indicated. Remeber it is a small team, they vcan not answer by mail to dozen of questions from every customer....
 
Not sure asking them about power cable, rca cable and such is something they should respond to promptly. If at all.

I recommend to ask for an ETA.

If you made an account at Apollon you can also see your order status there. No live updates or anything, but it might be comforting beyond the emails.
 
@LucreciaBorgia
I understand and appreciate the perspective regarding small team operations and custom-built products within Audio Science Review discussions, and I agree that this context is important.

I also want to clarify that my concern is not about production speed or lead times at Apollon Audio, which I fully accept may vary depending on workload and customization.

My point is more specific: the drop in communication after payment.

Before ordering, communication was clear and responsive. After payment, however, it became very limited, despite me still having open practical questions regarding:
  • power cable is included or not
  • RCA cable recommendations
  • shipping and logistics details
These were asked with the intent of preparing the rest of my system properly and avoiding unnecessary delays later.

I did receive an order confirmation email (albeit with some delay), stating that the order “is now being processed”, which I appreciate. However, it still leaves me without visibility on production status or timing.

I also understand the suggestion to use chat support, but my preference was to continue via email, since it was already an ongoing and documented conversation tied directly to the order and payment.

I fully respect the challenges of running a small operation. My only hope is that as demand grows, communication processes can scale accordingly, because otherwise it becomes difficult for customers to have clarity after payment.

@Ruediger
I understand the point about ETA and order status, and I agree that this is ultimately the most important piece of information.

That said, I would slightly disagree on the relevance of the questions I raised.

My question about the power cable was not meant as a technical deep dive, but simply to clarify whether it is included or not, since this is not explicitly stated on the product page. From a customer perspective, this is basic logistical information that directly affects preparation and usability upon delivery.

Similarly, the questions about RCA cables and general connectivity recommendations were intended to avoid unnecessary delays or mismatched purchases later on, not to require in-depth technical consultation.

Regarding the account/order portal: unfortunately I did not create an account at the time of purchase, and it seems account creation is only available during checkout, so I currently have no access to that visibility.
 
The question about the power cable is valid. Not everyone has a box full of these from other devices.

For RCA cables you are better off asking the forum with info about your area (where you can purchase). I am sure you will get many good tips.

As you specifically mention this purifi amp and rca - I recommend getting a rca-to-xlr cable with shielding done according to hypex/purifi manuals. It will be the same rca signal of course, just a bit better isolation.

There is a monoprice model available on amazon (use forum search) and these here are made in that fashion:

 
Off at a tangent here, but I personally would not buy any goods online without using a credit card. It's a shame if this rules out certain vendors or products.

In the UK at least, we get very good protection with credit card purchases, far beyond any other payment means (including debit cards).
 
Hi everyone, first post on the forum.

I’m sorry to report this, as I would much prefer to share a fully positive experience. Based on both my initial interactions and the technical feedback available online, I do believe that the person behind Apollon Audio is very competent and professional from an engineering standpoint. However, I hope this feedback can serve as a constructive signal that the commercial and communication side clearly needs improvement.

I’d like to add a recent datapoint, as my experience seems to align with the communication issues already discussed here regarding Apollon Audio.

I placed an order for a Purifi Eigentakt 1ET6525SA Multichannel Apollon Audio Amplifier (3 Channel) with Sonic Imagery 994.
  • Pre-order phase:
    Communication with Tibor was responsive and helpful. All initial questions were answered clearly.
  • After placing the order:
    After submitting and paying for the order (bank transfer), communication dropped off completely.
  • Current status:
    • I did receive an order confirmation email (with a significant delay, ~8 days after payment), stating that the order is “now being processed”
    • However, I have received no direct confirmation of payment matching, no indication that the unit is actually in production, and no replies to multiple follow-up emails
    • My questions (power cable, RCA recommendations, shipping/logistics) remain unanswered
  • Timing / expectations:
    I am now roughly halfway through the originally indicated lead time, but I still have zero visibility on actual production status or estimated completion.

At this point, the issue is not a minor delay but a complete lack of communication after payment, despite multiple attempts over a period of about two weeks.

For a purchase in the several-thousand-euro range, this level of silence is, frankly, not acceptable.

I’m still hoping this is a temporary backlog rather than standard practice, but I believe it’s important to report this experience for transparency.

I’ll gladly share any positive updates if the situation improves, and I genuinely hope to do so soon.
I ordered a new car and paid a deposit higher than the price of your amplifier. I was given a delivery date... and then radio silence until the day before delivery... several months later.

Everything you describe is typical: if Apollon had to address your concerns and act as a babysitter, they would cut their production in half... The questions about the power cable and RCA connectors are trivial, but it's impossible to answer them... because you would keep replying to his answers, and he wouldn't be able to cope. Excuse my bluntness, but I can easily imagine that if Apollon started replying to every email, it would be a nightmare for him.
 
I ordered a new car and paid a deposit higher than the price of your amplifier. I was given a delivery date... and then radio silence until the day before delivery... several months later.

Everything you describe is typical: if Apollon had to address your concerns and act as a babysitter, they would cut their production in half... The questions about the power cable and RCA connectors are trivial, but it's impossible to answer them... because you would keep replying to his answers, and he wouldn't be able to cope. Excuse my bluntness, but I can easily imagine that if Apollon started replying to every email, it would be a nightmare for him.
I disagree with your premise. Tibor et al. had plenty of time to respond to his pre-purchase questions. His after purchase questions could easily be answered in a FAQ though. I still stand by my statement above of detached arrogance and lack of empathy to customers who have prepaid the full amount and just want some reassurance especially if the stated timelines have passed. It is not that hard. You just have to change the wording on the website, add to the FAQs and respond more promptly.
 
Hi everyone, first post on the forum.

I’m sorry to report this, as I would much prefer to share a fully positive experience. Based on both my initial interactions and the technical feedback available online, I do believe that the person behind Apollon Audio is very competent and professional from an engineering standpoint. However, I hope this feedback can serve as a constructive signal that the commercial and communication side clearly needs improvement.

I’d like to add a recent datapoint, as my experience seems to align with the communication issues already discussed here regarding Apollon Audio.

I placed an order for a Purifi Eigentakt 1ET6525SA Multichannel Apollon Audio Amplifier (3 Channel) with Sonic Imagery 994.
  • Pre-order phase:
    Communication with Tibor was responsive and helpful. All initial questions were answered clearly.
  • After placing the order:
    After submitting and paying for the order (bank transfer), communication dropped off completely.
  • Current status:
    • I did receive an order confirmation email (with a significant delay, ~8 days after payment), stating that the order is “now being processed”
    • However, I have received no direct confirmation of payment matching, no indication that the unit is actually in production, and no replies to multiple follow-up emails
    • My questions (power cable, RCA recommendations, shipping/logistics) remain unanswered
  • Timing / expectations:
    I am now roughly halfway through the originally indicated lead time, but I still have zero visibility on actual production status or estimated completion.

At this point, the issue is not a minor delay but a complete lack of communication after payment, despite multiple attempts over a period of about two weeks.

For a purchase in the several-thousand-euro range, this level of silence is, frankly, not acceptable.

I’m still hoping this is a temporary backlog rather than standard practice, but I believe it’s important to report this experience for transparency.

I’ll gladly share any positive updates if the situation improves, and I genuinely hope to do so soon.

Hi Roberto,

Thank you for your feedback.

I would like to clarify the timeline, because I think the situation is being presented here in a way that does not fully reflect what actually happened.

You placed your order on 20. April. The stated lead time for multichannel amplifiers is 30 business days, as mentioned on our website. We received your payment on 22 April. That means that, as of today, we are only five business days from the date of your order, and even less from the date your payment was received.

Please also note that 24. and 27. April were national holidays in our country.

Your last email was addressed to me personally on 23 April. I was away for the holiday period, because I am also a human being with a family, so yes, I did not answer that email instantly.

In the meantime, you contacted our live support chat on 24. April, which is exactly what we encourage customers to use when they need a quicker answer. Email replies can take longer, especially when addressed to a specific person. Live chat is there for faster support, and it is clearly visible on our website.

You contacted us through live chat at 10:45 PM. Our team replied immediately, confirmed that we received your payment, confirmed that your order is already in production, and also offered to help with any further questions. You then replied that you would wait for my email answer.

So I do not think it is fair to say that there was “complete lack of communication after payment.” You did receive a direct response through our support channel, late in the evening, with confirmation of both payment and order status. I have attached the chat transcript for transparency.

Regarding your remaining questions about cables, RCA recommendations, and logistics, you could have asked them directly in the same live chat when our team offered to help. We would have gladly answered them there. Although I already addressed your logistics-related questions in my previous email, it appears that this may have been overlooked.

We fully understand that customers want updates and reassurance after placing an order, especially for a higher-value product. At the same time, we also need to be fair about the facts. Your order is still well within the stated lead time, your payment was confirmed, your order status was confirmed, and our support team responded immediately through live chat.

We are always happy to help, but please do not present the situation as if there was no post-order communication at all, because that is simply not accurate.
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I disagree with your premise. Tibor et al. had plenty of time to respond to his pre-purchase questions. His after purchase questions could easily be answered in a FAQ though. I still stand by my statement above of detached arrogance and lack of empathy to customers who have prepaid the full amount and just want some reassurance especially if the stated timelines have passed. It is not that hard. You just have to change the wording on the website, add to the FAQs and respond more promptly.
Golfx,

You’re presenting this as a simple matter of “just answer the emails” and framing it as a lack of empathy. That sounds reasonable on the surface, but it ignores how this actually works in reality.

Before placing the order, customers typically exchange a limited number of focused questions. After the order, the nature of communication often changes, instead of a few clear questions, it can easily turn into ongoing back-and-forth, follow-ups to follow-ups, and expanding topics (cables, system matching, logistics, etc.). If we handled every post-order email thread in that same open-ended way, production would slow down significantly for everyone. That said, I still make a genuine effort to help wherever I can, even with questions that go beyond the product itself, cables, system matching, speakers, and so on. At the same time, it has to be understood that my time is limited and I also have a life outside of work, so responses may not always be immediate.

And just to put things into perspective, show me another company in this industry that responds through live chat at 10:45 PM with immediate confirmation, order status, and an offer to help further.

That’s exactly why we have structured support channels.

In this specific case, the customer received:
  • Payment confirmation
  • Order status (“in production”)
  • A live chat response within minutes, at 10:45 PM!
  • An open offer from our support team to answer any additional questions
That is not “radio silence,” and it’s not a lack of empathy. It’s a functioning support system doing exactly what it’s designed to do.

What you’re suggesting, that every individual email must be answered immediately and in full detail by the same person, regardless of timing, holidays, or workload, isn’t empathy, it’s an expectation of unlimited availability. No small, high-end manufacturing company operates like that without compromising either product quality or delivery times.

Also, let’s keep perspective here:
The order is 5 business days in. The stated lead time is 30 business days. This is not a missed deadline situation, it’s the very beginning of the production cycle.

You’ve had a negative experience in the past, and that’s already been acknowledged and addressed in detail. But repeatedly using that to label the current operation as “detached,” “arrogant,” or “without empathy”, even in cases where the facts clearly show active support, isn’t constructive criticism anymore. It’s just narrative.

We’re not claiming perfection. But we are very clear about what we are:
  • A small, specialized manufacturer
  • Build-to-order production
  • Structured support channels (live chat for fast response, email for less urgent topics)
Customers who use those channels get fast answers, as shown here.

So let’s stick to facts rather than assumptions.
 
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Off at a tangent here, but I personally would not buy any goods online without using a credit card. It's a shame if this rules out certain vendors or products.

In the UK at least, we get very good protection with credit card purchases, far beyond any other payment means (including debit cards).
Just to clarify the situation in this specific case.

The customer did not “avoid” using a credit card due to lack of availability or preference alone. He explicitly chose bank transfer while negotiating a benefit on his side, namely a free upgrade to DHL Express shipping, knowing that this payment method avoids credit card processing fees on our end.

We agreed to that and honored it. The order was upgraded to DHL Express at no additional cost as a gesture of goodwill.

It’s also worth noting that we offer multiple payment options, including bank transfer, credit card, PayPal, and even Bitcoin, so customers can choose the method that best suits them.

So this is not a situation where a customer is limited or disadvantaged by payment options. Quite the opposite, a conscious decision was made to use bank transfer in exchange for a tangible benefit, which was delivered.

What’s disappointing is that, despite this, the situation is now being presented on the forum as if there is a lack of support or responsiveness after the order, which does not reflect the actual communication that took place.

It’s important to keep the full context in mind before drawing conclusions.
 
That's why I said "Off at a tangent here" - no specific reference to Apollon.
Whatever the savings might be (or personal circumstance), credit cards are worth it for online payments, but never use a card through, for example PayPal (it complicates who you have a contract with, and you do not want to wrestle with sharks).
 
I acknowledge the clarification and timeline provided by @Apollon Audio
The order is within the stated 30 business day lead time, and my comments are not related to production time.

To clarify my perspective, the payment was made via instant bank transfer on 20 April. From my side, this was naturally considered the starting point of the process, even though I understand that internal registration and processing may not be immediate.

My feedback is mainly about the communication flow after payment. What I experienced was a lack of consistent email updates during the initial post-order phase, without any clear indication at that time of holidays or temporary unavailability.

I did use the live chat on 24 April as a way to check the support flow in parallel. I did receive a prompt response there confirming payment and order status, which I appreciate. However, my point is more about continuity. Email communication was already established before payment, and from a customer perspective it is not always intuitive to switch to a separate channel for order-related updates. It becomes harder to keep a clear overview of the situation when information is split across systems.

The questions I raised regarding power cable inclusion, RCA cable recommendations, and general logistics were simply practical, aimed at preparing the rest of the system ahead of delivery.

I understand the impact of holidays and workload, and I appreciate the clarification provided. The fact remains that my email on the 20th, as well as my follow-ups on the 23rd and 29th, did not receive a response. From a customer perspective, this can reasonably lead to a negative experience.

For completeness, I would also like to quote a statement from one of Tibor pre-purchase emails:
“We don’t experience such big delays anymore, like we had a few years ago. For multichannel amps we have a lead time of 20–30 business days.”
From a customer perspective, this affects how the timeline is perceived in real time. Payment was made on 20 April and my post on ASR was written on 30 April, and without visibility of internal scheduling or awareness of national holidays in Slovenia, it is not straightforward to assess where the order sits within your 20–30 business day window at that point.

Following his post here, Tibor also responded to my email, confirming that the power cable is not included and that my order is scheduled for completion on 5 June.

At this stage, I consider the situation clarified and I will follow further updates on production and shipment.
 
Just to clarify the situation in this specific case.

The customer did not “avoid” using a credit card due to lack of availability or preference alone. He explicitly chose bank transfer while negotiating a benefit on his side, namely a free upgrade to DHL Express shipping, knowing that this payment method avoids credit card processing fees on our end.

We agreed to that and honored it. The order was upgraded to DHL Express at no additional cost as a gesture of goodwill.

It’s also worth noting that we offer multiple payment options, including bank transfer, credit card, PayPal, and even Bitcoin, so customers can choose the method that best suits them.

So this is not a situation where a customer is limited or disadvantaged by payment options. Quite the opposite, a conscious decision was made to use bank transfer in exchange for a tangible benefit, which was delivered.

What’s disappointing is that, despite this, the situation is now being presented on the forum as if there is a lack of support or responsiveness after the order, which does not reflect the actual communication that took place.

It’s important to keep the full context in mind before drawing conclusions.
@Redacted
I confirm that, as Tibor mentioned, my choice to pay via bank transfer was entirely my own preference and not related in any way to Apollon’s payment policies, which also include credit card, PayPal, and other standard methods.

I also had asked Tibor whether it would be possible to upgrade the shipment from DHL Economy to DHL Express (to Italy), in exchange for avoiding the credit card processing fees. He kindly agreed to this arrangement.

I must say I was a bit surprised to see this point being raised here, as this was simply a mutually agreed courtesy. In any case, this does not change my overall view regarding the communication aspects discussed above, also because this exchange took place during the pre-purchase phase, which, as already noted, was very positive and communicative.

I still appreciate his willingness to accommodate the request.
 
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I really hope people reading this thread read the entire thread and get a full 360 view from all the posts here.


There are some drawbacks with the ordering process with Apollon and there are also highlights with their products.
 
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