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Anyone Review Topping D90III Discrete / D90 III Sabre yet ?

There is now a new firmware update V0.49 (April 1, 2025).

I upgraded from firmware 0.39 to firmware 0.49 and noticed the volume is much lower.

At the same volume of -22.5, the voltage drops from 2.67 volts in firmware 0.39 to 1.02 volts.
That is less than half the voltage.

0.39 Firmware Volume -22.5 Voltage is 2.67 volts
ToppingD90III_Discrete_0.39NormalVoltage.jpg


0.49 Firmware Volume -22.5 Voltage is 1.02 volts
ToppingD90III_Discrete_0.49LowVoltage.jpg


Not looking good for the 0.49 release.

In other news, Topping has reproduced the IIS voltage that is overdriven when switching to IIS from AES and other inputs.
Voltage output seems to be an issue with this product.

I have reverted to 0.39 firmware.

- Rich
 
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I upgraded from firmware 0.39 to firmware 0.49 and noticed the volume is much lower.

At the same volume of -22.5, the voltage drops from 2.67 volts in firmware 0.39 to 1.02 volts.
That is less than half the voltage.

0.39 Firmware Volume -22.5 Voltage is 2.67 volts
View attachment 443645

0.34 Firmware Volume -22.5 Voltage is 1.02 volts
View attachment 443646


Not looking good for the 0.49 release.

In other news, Topping has reproduced the IIS voltage that is overdriven when switching to IIS from AES and other inputs.
Voltage output seems to be an issue with this product.

I have reverted to 0.39 firmware.

- Rich
I have also noticed the voltage drop. Not very happy about that and curious why they did this.
 
I have also noticed the voltage drop. Not very happy about that and curious why they did this.
I am sure they knew. I have not checked to see if still can put out 4 or 5 volts max.

- Rich
 
I had installed 0.42 before it was removed and there was no volume change.
Here are the changes since 0.42:
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D90 III Discrete Firmware
Changelog
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V0.49 (April 1, 2025)

Fix: After muting high sample rates (greater than 192KHz), adjusting the device volume still produces sound.

Fix: Playing 768KHz music, certain operations could cause noise.

Fix: When music is playing, putting the device on standby and then turning it back on results in no output, requiring a restart.

Fix: After disabling the PEQ function, the mute function for high sample rates (greater than 192KHz) was not deactivated.

Fix: Muting high sample rates (greater than 192KHz) also muted 192KHz unintentionally.

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V0.44 (March 19, 2025)

Adjusted: Modified the five default PEQ parameters and their names.

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V0.43 (March 18, 2025)

* Fix: Some PEQ configuration settings cause distortion when playing certain music.

Nothing here to indicate this change.
The moral of the story is, do not release firmware on April 1st :p

- Rich
 
I have also noticed the voltage drop. Not very happy about that and curious why they did this.
It may be that the 0.49 is the correct gain. Let's see what they say.

- Rich
 
Upgrading the firmware restored mine to factory defaults. I had to reset all the settings.
Also, had to get the latest Topping Tune installed and redo my PEQ profiles.
 
Just gotten my Topping D90III Discrete, and to my misfortune I joined the group of folks that are facing clicking sounds using the DAC.

Clicking sound whenever the DAC isn't getting any audio signal and click whenever receiving signal, this means every 2 clicks every TV toggle sound.

Even during silence when the movie starts and the production house title animations are displayed, the silence between those segments will also cause clicks.

In between every change in music you get 2 clicks, I believe it is a faulty unit. My research across the forums shows a very clear divide of 2 groups of us, one enjoying the sound and the other complain about this problem.

Its really a pity because the soundstage, naturalness of sound, holographic are all real, but the click due to the voltage drops and peaks is driving me crazy.

It is confirmed a voltage issue as the click happens even at -99.0dB when the speaker is totally silent the click still happens whenever you have silence in tracks.

The crazier thing is that this is not my first time facing this problem, clicks are common when DACs change across formats/bitrates or when they are not "Always On" in the .xml configuration in the XMOS driver control panel settings.

This is extra saddening as I went into the script and made "Visible" the option to "Always On" which worked for my SMSL D6-S but nothing is working on the Topping D90III Discrete.

In the other DACs, they are just simply programmed to sleep during idle hence causing the click when the voltage drops, but for the Topping D90III Discrete, it is a worse problem than the above.

I tried RCA, XLR outputs. Bluetooth, Optical, USB inputs across 2 totally separate systems but the click still happens, this is 100% due to the DAC's voltage drops and peak that have gone faulty. And quite a high amount of failures at that according to the posts in the forums across the web.

Also tried high pass filters to no effects, again as it is due to a voltage issue when at -99.0dB hence this wouldn't fix it.

I've contacted a reseller and they told me that this is not a standard problem. Which further points me to the fact that this is a fault in the DAC.

The only other contrary post I read over here I think by Jeremy was that since this is a 1-bit DAC, the PCM has to be converted to DSD at every instance hence causing the DAC-Format-Switching that causes the click? (Though im not experienced enough to comprehend this).

I guess one of the solutions in a create a "constant sound" on your system when it is connected through USB so the DAC will not sleep. But I use it with its optical input setting from the WiiM so I cant generate a constant noise.

Also can i post a question to the folks enjoying this DAC, if you are actually experience the click, just that it is a full music listening set-up hence it is triggering lesser and you are fine with it? Or simply there isnt such thing as the clicking sound even happening in the first place.

Cant believe that I sank in 999usd to be working on all these debugging, Topping please step up.... the B200 is so awesome, but I guess a DAC has much more software, firmware controls that can go wrong.

It is the Lunar New Year now so I've got to wait till 4th February in order to receive contact from official topping channels.

Update #1: I bought a 2nd hand DDC just to test out all the other inputs/ouputs like COAXIAL, AES, I2S and all of it still persists with the problem. But a silver lining is that I've received information from Topping that they will be working on a firmware update after Lunar New Year.

I have had clicking sounds that have been caused by another component emitting RF.
You could try moving the DAC away from other devices or unplugging anything not needed that is near it.

- Rich
 
Just gotten my Topping D90III Discrete, and to my misfortune I joined the group of folks that are facing clicking sounds using the DAC.

Clicking sound whenever the DAC isn't getting any audio signal and click whenever receiving signal, this means every 2 clicks every TV toggle sound.

Even during silence when the movie starts and the production house title animations are displayed, the silence between those segments will also cause clicks.

In between every change in music you get 2 clicks, I believe it is a faulty unit. My research across the forums shows a very clear divide of 2 groups of us, one enjoying the sound and the other complain about this problem.

Its really a pity because the soundstage, naturalness of sound, holographic are all real, but the click due to the voltage drops and peaks is driving me crazy.

It is confirmed a voltage issue as the click happens even at -99.0dB when the speaker is totally silent the click still happens whenever you have silence in tracks.

The crazier thing is that this is not my first time facing this problem, clicks are common when DACs change across formats/bitrates or when they are not "Always On" in the .xml configuration in the XMOS driver control panel settings.

This is extra saddening as I went into the script and made "Visible" the option to "Always On" which worked for my SMSL D6-S but nothing is working on the Topping D90III Discrete.

In the other DACs, they are just simply programmed to sleep during idle hence causing the click when the voltage drops, but for the Topping D90III Discrete, it is a worse problem than the above.

I tried RCA, XLR outputs. Bluetooth, Optical, USB inputs across 2 totally separate systems but the click still happens, this is 100% due to the DAC's voltage drops and peak that have gone faulty. And quite a high amount of failures at that according to the posts in the forums across the web.

Also tried high pass filters to no effects, again as it is due to a voltage issue when at -99.0dB hence this wouldn't fix it.

I've contacted a reseller and they told me that this is not a standard problem. Which further points me to the fact that this is a fault in the DAC.

The only other contrary post I read over here I think by Jeremy was that since this is a 1-bit DAC, the PCM has to be converted to DSD at every instance hence causing the DAC-Format-Switching that causes the click? (Though im not experienced enough to comprehend this).

I guess one of the solutions in a create a "constant sound" on your system when it is connected through USB so the DAC will not sleep. But I use it with its optical input setting from the WiiM so I cant generate a constant noise.

Also can i post a question to the folks enjoying this DAC, if you are actually experience the click, just that it is a full music listening set-up hence it is triggering lesser and you are fine with it? Or simply there isnt such thing as the clicking sound even happening in the first place.

Cant believe that I sank in 999usd to be working on all these debugging, Topping please step up.... the B200 is so awesome, but I guess a DAC has much more software, firmware controls that can go wrong.

It is the Lunar New Year now so I've got to wait till 4th February in order to receive contact from official topping channels.

Update #1: I bought a 2nd hand DDC just to test out all the other inputs/ouputs like COAXIAL, AES, I2S and all of it still persists with the problem. But a silver lining is that I've received information from Topping that they will be working on a firmware update after Lunar New Year.
Good day! Question, I understand you have connected a WIMM to the D90 and the D90 to your B200 Amplifiers. Where do you do the volume control? Can you use the WIMM for that and have the D90 set to a fixed volume? Or are you using the D90 as volume control? I would like to use the WIMM Ultra for volume control, but i wonder if that would deliver the best quality or if there other issues. Thanks a lot!
 
It may be that the 0.49 is the correct gain. Let's see what they say.

- Rich
The previous setting added more energy to the music. I can turn up the volume on my amp, and it's still great, but the listening experience is less enjoyable than before...
 
Good day! Question, I understand you have connected a WIMM to the D90 and the D90 to your B200 Amplifiers. Where do you do the volume control? Can you use the WIMM for that and have the D90 set to a fixed volume? Or are you using the D90 as volume control? I would like to use the WIMM Ultra for volume control, but i wonder if that would deliver the best quality or if there other issues. Thanks a lot!
I use my WiiM Ultra to control the volume. Not sure if it's the best place to do it, but it is certainly the most convenient when using their app (which I like). Due to the 0.49 firmware dropping the voltage, I'm considering a Pre90 to slot in-between the D90 III Discrete and B200 amps. Then I'll drop the gain from high to low on the amps and take the benefit of lower distortion in my chain.
 
I use my WiiM Ultra to control the volume. Not sure if it's the best place to do it, but it is certainly the most convenient when using their app (which I like). Due to the 0.49 firmware dropping the voltage, I'm considering a Pre90 to slot in-between the D90 III Discrete and B200 amps. Then I'll drop the gain from high to low on the amps and take the benefit of lower distortion in my chain.
I would contact support and get a link to download 0.39. 0.49 is broken.

-Rich
 
I still have the 0.39 files.
I sent an email to support and they were passing on this issue to engineering.
Then, reloaded 0.39 on my D90 III Discrete DACs.

I have asked specifically, what DSD Bypass does but never got an explanation.
Currently, I am using Roon -> Raspberry Pi (DietPi) + Pi2AES > IIS with DSD Bypass ON and it is the best sound I have every heard from a DAC.
This is when level matched using a multi-meter and quick switching, so I am confident in this assessment.

- Rich
 
I sent an email to support and they were passing on this issue to engineering.
Then, reloaded 0.39 on my D90 III Discrete DACs.

I have asked specifically, what DSD Bypass does but never got an explanation.
Currently, I am using Roon -> Raspberry Pi (DietPi) + Pi2AES > IIS with DSD Bypass ON and it is the best sound I have every heard from a DAC.
This is when level matched using a multi-meter and quick switching, so I am confident in this assessment.

- Rich
There seems to be a lot of confusion about the DSD Bypass setting on their DACs. I would love to see a write up from them on this 'feature'.

For now, I've left the 0.49 installed. The voltage drop isn't killing me, so I'll wait to see what they do with the next release. :)
 
New firmware 0.51 D90 III D

V0.51 (April 25, 2025)

Fix: Abnormal volume when using IIS input or switching to other inputs

Fix: Device PEQ configuration cleared after factory reset

New: Added prompt when device PEQ is disabled

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V0.50 (April 23, 2025)

Fix: Incorrect sampling rate display when switching between UAC1.0 and UAC2.0 modes

Fix: Incorrect output amplitude for USB and IIS inputs
 
I tried this new fw and they fixed the volume problems, but to me it still sounds dull and flat compared to 0.39 .... Maybe it's a placebo, but I like 0.39 better.
EDIT: I use the USB input and RCA output to the Burson CV2.
 
I tried the D90III Discrete in different modes, the best input in terms of quality is I2S, the sound quality is strangely better on the RCA output, not XLR, and the worst input is USB, I haven't heard such poor quality on the USB input for a long time, in a product priced at 1000€ that sounds more or less acceptable only through the I2S input and RCA output, this is absolutely unacceptable!
 
I tried the D90III Discrete in different modes, the best input in terms of quality is I2S, the sound quality is strangely better on the RCA output, not XLR, and the worst input is USB, I haven't heard such poor quality on the USB input for a long time, in a product priced at 1000€ that sounds more or less acceptable only through the I2S input and RCA output, this is absolutely unacceptable!
I stream from a macmini (M1) and find the quality of the USB input quite good. What do you use to get the I2S output? Maybe it's time for me to upgrade my source...
 
I tried the D90III Discrete in different modes, the best input in terms of quality is I2S, the sound quality is strangely better on the RCA output, not XLR, and the worst input is USB, I haven't heard such poor quality on the USB input for a long time, in a product priced at 1000€ that sounds more or less acceptable only through the I2S input and RCA output, this is absolutely unacceptable!
What amplifier and/or preamp are you using downstream? Any chance the issue is the balanced input of the amp? For example, there is measurably inferior performance on the balanced input of the Fosi ZA3 compared to the single-ended input due to the extra conversion from balanced to single-ended in order to pass the signal through the volume potentiometer in that amp. Also, are you actually measuring the two outputs of the DAC and comparing, or is this purely some sort of a subjective reaction you’re stating?
 
I use DDC Gustard U18 with external Clock.
Preamp: Gustard P26 and Topping A70Pro.
About analog outputs: I use my ears as a tool and 30 experience in High End Audio, about measurements I apply to ASR, but there is no test yet...
 
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