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Anyone heard of Advance Paris?

That’s cool Brosef, no skin off my back.

Welcome aboard mon ami!
Most everyone here is at least some facsimile of friendly, and the depth of knowledge is quite vast. A lot of time and centuries of knowledge have been expended here by members helping/guiding/teaching absolute strangers who randomly stumble across ASR with questions that range the gamut. Personally, I’ve learned more here about aspects of electronics than any textbook that I’ve banged my head against.

This is a great site, it really is. The vast majority of us are here in good faith, some of us won’t suffer fools, and then sometimes the means of communication can get in the way of the real meaning, context is everything.

I hope you stick around—start by reading reviews/articles here on things your interested, also some that you’re not, and I think you’ll get the gist of what goes on here. You’ll definitely learn a thing or two along the way.

Best of luck, and I’d avoid Advance Paris anything from the what I’ve learned.

Bedtime for me meow,

Bon Soir.
 
Is that because you do know, but are just enjoying the chase?
He's made a claim I don't understand, I ask him to explain what he means, to which he answers to a handfull of questions I never asked.
There was no chase but there was definitely an escape.
@Subob, I'm quite familiar with the games quote on quote "Audiophiles" play, which is why I never feed into it. They all use the same psychological tactics, it's like this everywhere. It gets really boring and lame.
What is that lame game I played you're talking about? Asking you to explain your claims?
It's not an ''audiophiles' play'', it's just life, when you make a claim, people expect you to be able to vouch for it, otherwise they'll just think you're misleading, unreliable and stop listening to you. Unless you expect people to treat you like a toddler?
That said it's true I do have a bias with this company because of its re-branding that's true, I think it's pretty cheap marketing for 2-3k€ or more amps, but this is a purely subjective claim, you might find it's genius and I won't dispute you. But once again all of that has nothing to do with your claims, am I right?
 
He's made a claim I don't understand, I ask him to explain what he means, to which he answers to a handfull of questions I never asked.
There was no chase but there was definitely an escape.

What is that lame game I played you're talking about? Asking you to explain your claims?
It's not an ''audiophiles' play'', it's just life, when you make a claim, people expect you to be able to vouch for it, otherwise they'll just think you're misleading, unreliable and stop listening to you. Unless you expect people to treat you like a toddler?
That said it's true I do have a bias with this company because of its re-branding that's true, I think it's pretty cheap marketing for 2-3k€ or more amps, but this is a purely subjective claim, you might find it's genius and I won't dispute you. But once again all of that has nothing to do with your claims, am I right?
No Sooner A Man of "Few Words" suddenly has Many......
 
They're discovered by "Experience". By people who actually listen to Music and appreciate Music and the capabilities of the SoundStage expressed from their Equipment.

That's what people do who have Passion and Love for Music. A Robot has no feelings or passion.

Science can be used to acquire knowledge. Trusting unquestioningly to Your senses can be used to fool yourself. There are several indisputable test results showing that our perception is skewed by our expectations, emotions etc... and there are also several examples of our brains simply misinterpreting sensory inputs. Then there is of course also the folly of trusting self-appointed gurus instead of scientifically valid data.
 
Yes, actually I am a recent owner of the Advance Paris A12 Classic.

I ended up going with this unit after comparing a similar amplifier profile with the Anthem STR Integrated Amplifier priced at $5000, delivering 200W per channel.

The Advance Paris A12 gives 190 Watts per channel, but I liked the fact that it also had the Pre-Amp Tubes.

It's actually a pretty decent amplifier, with some exceptions to rule out with the design. It is packed with unbelievable features in it, however here are some things to keep in mind:

I would rate it 4 Stars overall. It's above Quality and Sound over Yamaha for sure. But it's really a middle-of-the-road unit overall.

However, as you probably read, the Build Quality of the Unit and the Remote Control leaves some "room" for desire. The Remote is very generic, however it does work great and everything is intuitive with the setup of the Buttons and Menus between the Remote and the Knobs on the Amplifier.

What I will tell you is really amazing is how much Power it has and with the Mono-Amp Separation, many of their Integrated Amp systems work essentially as 2 Mono-blocks inside the unit, and I am definitely able to notice a lot more stereo reception.

Sound Stage and Dynamics are very impressive with excellent depth and clarity, even at very high volumes. One thing that attracted me to it besides the VU meters and necessary power for some Speaker Sets I own, is that the Frequency Response is very wide and THD levels were exceptionally low as most vintage units used to always be.

Some Disadvantages:

If you like using the built-in Bass and Tone controls, they are not so great.

System uses an Older Style DAC.

The Dials on the Amplifier have a slightly "loose" feel to them, they are not Heavy Duty as with most High-End Units. I knew about this prior to purchasing along with the build quality of the Unit and Remote which was indicated on some reviews, but it doesn't bother me too much.

Advance Paris just announced earlier this year of their "Nova" Series coming out in Early 2025, and I would definitely think to keep an eye out for those units if you are concerned about the quality build or features, because the Newer ones have much improved DACs, Tubes, and utilize DSP and Subsonic Filtering features which the A12 unit does not have. The Nova Series is MUCH more expensive, however the improvements in it make me curious enough to chance also buying it.

I can't speak for the "Resell" value, however I wouldn't think them to be that high in comparison to a brand like Marantz, McIntosh or Luxman.

Final Notes:

Overall, I'm very pleased with the unit, it's a major upgrade for me in my Listening Room. It has a very elegant appearance. The VU Meters are very good and large and have adjustable dimming, but only can be seen when the unit is powered on. The New Nova series have VU meters that you can change White or Blue Lighting and will display even when the unit is powered off. The Sound Stage and Stereo Separation including the clarity with drums, cymbals and other instruments absolutely make it worthwhile.

I am thinking to purchase the Nova AI-190 which would basically be the "upgrade equivalent" to the A12 unit.

The brand is maturing and evolving, but they did have a notable past of "problems" when they were known as Advance Acoustics.

I think you will be happy with the unit from the Perspective of if you are looking for a unit with tons of features and connectivity options, the depth and clarity of the Sound Stage, and if you like the VU meters appearance.

If you have any specific questions on anything, feel free to let me know and I will try my best to answer.
The main quality of an amplifier is the room in which it's installed, its acoustics, and the positioning of the speakers. The rest is subjective. Regarding this Advance Paris, its name is purely marketing; it's likely made in China and far too expensive for a conventional construction scheme.
 
As the name suggests, they are from France
The brand is. The factory isn't. They started by rebranding Tonewinner amps under the Advance Acoustics badge. Fun fact is that I live about 10min car time from their "headquarters".
Today, these still are made Made in China products for sale at what I would consider overpriced cost.

And one thing I can tell : their reputation regarding reliability is absolutely terrible around here.

Another thing, more "subjective", Advance products are often seen by French audiophiles as amps for newbies/normies. Typically, the very first amp some salesman would make you buy when you enter a Hi-Fi store without knowing anything about what you intend to get. (Because they would not be able to sale them to any experienced audiophile). Hard truth or hearsay, who knows... But one thing for sure, is they are not perceived as some "prestigious" brand at all.
 
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There new line up for this year looks good.
Only buy them if you live in Europe they cost like 30% more in America.


Yes they look great. I'm eyeing the Nova AI190 but I hope to check for any possible deals once it comes out, the price is very high and definitely I recommend only buying them through a European Retailer because they will be even more expensive otherwise.
 
Sometimes I don't understand the hatred with which some users attack a brand simply because it isn't part of ASR's sacred scriptures or isn't cutting edge in measurement.
I owned two Advance Acoustic preamps, an MPP505 and an MPP506, bought secondhand for less than €300. They had balanced inputs and outputs, a 75 or 150Hz high-pass filter for the power amp, a plethora of analog and digital inputs, a nice remote control, motorized volume, plenty of physical buttons, and a nice look.
I haven't measured them and I have no idea how they measured; they probably weren't top-notch, but there was certainly nothing wrong with them to my ears. It's not snake oil, it's not a brand that promises magic or that sells at crazy prices, it's just one of the many hi-fi manufacturers that sell their honest products, and if I have to choose I'd prefer a 300 euro product with a ton of useful features to a preamp with one input, one output and one knob and 10 dB better sinad that I can't even hear.
 
I'd prefer a 300 euro product with a ton of useful features to a preamp with one input, one output and one knob and 10 dB better sinad that I can't even hear.
I agree. But these new products are nowhere near as affordable.
 

The vast array of inputs is what first caught my attention and had me researching their products a while back.

I confess to liking the front aesthetics, too. I don't have any separates with VU Meters in my set up, but I wouldn't object to one if all other needs are met. However, I've never bought anything on looks alone.

The 'McIntosh killer' YouTube reviews I find a little bit comical. The price tags alone were already putting me off, but the real deal breaker for me was when I finally found out that their streaming side doesn't support gapless (not sure if that's changed since). Also didn't help that I saw pretty much no mention of their products at all on here, that is until this thread came up.

As it happens, a Wiim Pro saved the day, and the wallet!, for me anyway. So I just kept my Yamaha RN602, as it just about has all the inputs I need, and now I use the Wiim pro with it for streaming.
 
The vast array of inputs is what first caught my attention and had me researching their products a while back.

I confess to liking the front aesthetics, too. I don't have any separates with VU Meters in my set up, but I wouldn't object to one if all other needs are met. However, I've never bought anything on looks alone.

The 'McIntosh killer' YouTube reviews I find a little bit comical. The price tags alone were already putting me off, but the real deal breaker for me was when I finally found out that their streaming side doesn't support gapless (not sure if that's changed since). Also didn't help that I saw pretty much no mention of their products at all on here, that is until this thread came up.

As it happens, a Wiim Pro saved the day, and the wallet!, for me anyway. So I just kept my Yamaha RN602, as it just about has all the inputs I need, and now I use the Wiim pro with it for streaming.
I agree, McIntosh is really in a different league all on its own. I think that "idea" is overhyped simply from the fact of the VU Meters being "Blue", the Silver knobs and Display Modules, but the units still look vastly different, and have a very different type of sound signature, reputation and quality build.
 
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Why so much negativity?
I think the things are nicely made and not too expensive for what they offer.

This streaming integrated all in one amplifier MyCast 7 costs around 650 euros, which is in line with the competition.

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I agree, McIntosh is really in a different league all on its own. I think that "idea" is overhyped simply from the fact of the VU Meters being "Blue", the Silver knobs and Display Modules, but the units still look vastly different, and have a very different type of sound signature, reputation and quality build.
The similarity in looks, especially with the blue VU Meters, is a YouTube click baiters paradise!, it has to be said.

Whether the company know this as well, we can only guess at.

Anyway, nice to read your first hand experience with one of their products, thank you. Also nice to read that measurements only review link as well.
 
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Why so much negativity?
I think the things are nicely made and not too expensive for what they offer.

This streaming integrated all in one amplifier MyCast 7 costs around 650 euros, which is in line with the competition.

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Are there still people seduced by a completely useless look?
Why not, and while we're at it, some Christmas lights?
Personally, I have a discreet, all-black Class D amplifier.
I don't look at my equipment; I just listen to the music.
 
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