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Anyone heard of Advance Paris?

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As in the title. A dealer near me now offers Advance Paris integrated amplifiers. As the name suggests, they are from France and seem to have reasonable specifications and costs. Just wondering if anyone has experience of them.
 
Specs are average, price is high. For people that want an effects box, tube distortion. The video is all subjective blah blah and he suggests this as a device for someone starting out in hifi to shell out $3k when he should be recommending something for a fraction of the price with better specs. What an ass.
 
"Design and Developmenr in France" -- made... where? Perhaps more to the point: with what standard of quality and what grade of parts? Not talking audiophile, just talking robust (e.g., potentiometers, switches).
EDIT: Looks ok inside.
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N.B. both photos are the entry-level A10 integrated amplifier.

The front panel aesthetics are, shall we say, somewhat generic. EDIT: The vacuum tubes on display like wares in an Amsterdam... umm... warehouse ;) are cheesy, though.

Looks like a thoroughly humdrum mediocre product, albeit not outrageously expensive.
Have they been around long enough (notwithstanding the "rebranding" post above) to look for some on the used market?
If so -- How well do they hold resale value?

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Audibly perfect audio amplication has been a solved problem for well over half a century.

Buy as many channels of Ncore or Purifi based amps as you need from a no-frills manufacturer like Buckeye.

Then if you really feel the need, you can pretty them up with some vaccum tube lighting: https://www.etsy.com/market/vacuum_tube_art
 
I was looking at these once, mainly based on the vast array of input options.
I then finally found out that their streaming platform apparently doesn't do gapless ( I can't find links now, hence why I wrote 'apparently' ).

I decided to keep my Yamaha Network amp and add a Wiim Pro instead.
 
Yes, actually I am a recent owner of the Advance Paris A12 Classic.

I ended up going with this unit after comparing a similar amplifier profile with the Anthem STR Integrated Amplifier priced at $5000, delivering 200W per channel.

The Advance Paris A12 gives 190 Watts per channel, but I liked the fact that it also had the Pre-Amp Tubes.

It's actually a pretty decent amplifier, with some exceptions to rule out with the design. It is packed with unbelievable features in it, however here are some things to keep in mind:

I would rate it 4 Stars overall. It's above Quality and Sound over Yamaha for sure. But it's really a middle-of-the-road unit overall.

However, as you probably read, the Build Quality of the Unit and the Remote Control leaves some "room" for desire. The Remote is very generic, however it does work great and everything is intuitive with the setup of the Buttons and Menus between the Remote and the Knobs on the Amplifier.

What I will tell you is really amazing is how much Power it has and with the Mono-Amp Separation, many of their Integrated Amp systems work essentially as 2 Mono-blocks inside the unit, and I am definitely able to notice a lot more stereo reception.

Sound Stage and Dynamics are very impressive with excellent depth and clarity, even at very high volumes. One thing that attracted me to it besides the VU meters and necessary power for some Speaker Sets I own, is that the Frequency Response is very wide and THD levels were exceptionally low as most vintage units used to always be.

Some Disadvantages:

If you like using the built-in Bass and Tone controls, they are not so great.

System uses an Older Style DAC.

The Dials on the Amplifier have a slightly "loose" feel to them, they are not Heavy Duty as with most High-End Units. I knew about this prior to purchasing along with the build quality of the Unit and Remote which was indicated on some reviews, but it doesn't bother me too much.

Advance Paris just announced earlier this year of their "Nova" Series coming out in Early 2025, and I would definitely think to keep an eye out for those units if you are concerned about the quality build or features, because the Newer ones have much improved DACs, Tubes, and utilize DSP and Subsonic Filtering features which the A12 unit does not have. The Nova Series is MUCH more expensive, however the improvements in it make me curious enough to chance also buying it.

I can't speak for the "Resell" value, however I wouldn't think them to be that high in comparison to a brand like Marantz, McIntosh or Luxman.

Final Notes:

Overall, I'm very pleased with the unit, it's a major upgrade for me in my Listening Room. It has a very elegant appearance. The VU Meters are very good and large and have adjustable dimming, but only can be seen when the unit is powered on. The New Nova series have VU meters that you can change White or Blue Lighting and will display even when the unit is powered off. The Sound Stage and Stereo Separation including the clarity with drums, cymbals and other instruments absolutely make it worthwhile.

I am thinking to purchase the Nova AI-190 which would basically be the "upgrade equivalent" to the A12 unit.

The brand is maturing and evolving, but they did have a notable past of "problems" when they were known as Advance Acoustics.

I think you will be happy with the unit from the Perspective of if you are looking for a unit with tons of features and connectivity options, the depth and clarity of the Sound Stage, and if you like the VU meters appearance.

If you have any specific questions on anything, feel free to let me know and I will try my best to answer.
 
Yes, actually I am a recent owner of the Advance Paris A12 Classic.

I ended up going with this unit after comparing a similar amplifier profile with the Anthem STR Integrated Amplifier priced at $5000, delivering 200W per channel.

The Advance Paris A12 gives 190 Watts per channel, but I liked the fact that it also had the Pre-Amp Tubes.

It's actually a pretty decent amplifier, with some exceptions to rule out with the design. It is packed with unbelievable features in it, however here are some things to keep in mind:

I would rate it 4 Stars overall. It's above Quality and Sound over Yamaha for sure. But it's really a middle-of-the-road unit overall.

However, as you probably read, the Build Quality of the Unit and the Remote Control leaves some "room" for desire. The Remote is very generic, however it does work great and everything is intuitive with the setup of the Buttons and Menus between the Remote and the Knobs on the Amplifier.

What I will tell you is really amazing is how much Power it has and with the Mono-Amp Separation, many of their Integrated Amp systems work essentially as 2 Mono-blocks inside the unit, and I am definitely able to notice a lot more stereo reception.

Sound Stage and Dynamics are very impressive with excellent depth and clarity, even at very high volumes. One thing that attracted me to it besides the VU meters and necessary power for some Speaker Sets I own, is that the Frequency Response is very wide and THD levels were exceptionally low as most vintage units used to always be.

Some Disadvantages:

If you like using the built-in Bass and Tone controls, they are not so great.

System uses an Older Style DAC.

The Dials on the Amplifier have a slightly "loose" feel to them, they are not Heavy Duty as with most High-End Units. I knew about this prior to purchasing along with the build quality of the Unit and Remote which was indicated on some reviews, but it doesn't bother me too much.

Advance Paris just announced earlier this year of their "Nova" Series coming out in Early 2025, and I would definitely think to keep an eye out for those units if you are concerned about the quality build or features, because the Newer ones have much improved DACs, Tubes, and utilize DSP and Subsonic Filtering features which the A12 unit does not have. The Nova Series is MUCH more expensive, however the improvements in it make me curious enough to chance also buying it.

I can't speak for the "Resell" value, however I wouldn't think them to be that high in comparison to a brand like Marantz, McIntosh or Luxman.

Final Notes:

Overall, I'm very pleased with the unit, it's a major upgrade for me in my Listening Room. It has a very elegant appearance. The VU Meters are very good and large and have adjustable dimming, but only can be seen when the unit is powered on. The New Nova series have VU meters that you can change White or Blue Lighting and will display even when the unit is powered off. The Sound Stage and Stereo Separation including the clarity with drums, cymbals and other instruments absolutely make it worthwhile.

I am thinking to purchase the Nova AI-190 which would basically be the "upgrade equivalent" to the A12 unit.

The brand is maturing and evolving, but they did have a notable past of "problems" when they were known as Advance Acoustics.

I think you will be happy with the unit from the Perspective of if you are looking for a unit with tons of features and connectivity options, the depth and clarity of the Sound Stage, and if you like the VU meters appearance.

If you have any specific questions on anything, feel free to let me know and I will try my best to answer.
Hello, welcome to ASR.
I really wonder, what is it you expect from a tube premplification?
 
@Karma
Hello, welcome to ASR.
I really wonder, what is it you expect from a tube premplification?
Thanks.

Some Tonal shaping, but to be honest as I'm sure you know, Advance Paris Amplifiers are not really geared towards Major Tube Enthusiast or someone who wants to do Tube Rolling.
 
@Karma

Thanks.

Some Tonal shaping, but to be honest as I'm sure you know, Advance Paris Amplifiers are not really geared towards Major Tube Enthusiast or someone who wants to do Tube Rolling.
No, I don't know this brand.
Sorry, but my knowledge is somewhat limited, what do you mean by ''tonal shaping'', how does it translate it terms of frequency response or distorsion ? So far my understanding is that it gives a cool look, a higher consumption and the need to change tubes once in a while, but what are the objective advantages in terms of proper sound reproduction fidelity?
 
No, I don't know this brand.
Sorry, but my knowledge is somewhat limited, what do you mean by ''tonal shaping'', how does it translate it terms of frequency response or distorsion ? So far my understanding is that it gives a cool look, a higher consumption and the need to change tubes once in a while, but what are the objective advantages in terms of proper sound reproduction fidelity?
Well, I didn't buy the unit specifically based on the "Tubes" but because I was impressed by the reports about the Stereo Separation and Meters, also because I needed it for some Newer speakers I've purchased. In particular, I have paired it with the updated KLH Model 5 Speakers and JBL 4312G along with some other sets I have. Frequency response of the Advance Paris A12 is 10Hz-35kHz with 0.007% THD.

Yes, this unit does use higher power consumption, but that's also why I wanted it to get the maximum power for each channel, so it will still deliver the Full Power to each speaker.

The Advance Paris A10 splits the power between the channels, even though it still does the Dual Mono Channel Separation, but only has One Transformer.

That was also a key feature I wanted for my listening room setup. With all that in mind along with the connection options with it, I couldn't resist.

They also do make Full Solid State Amps both Higher Performance ones and Mono Blocks without the Tubes.
 
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Well, I didn't buy the unit specifically based on the "Tubes" but because I was impressed by the reports about the Stereo Separation and Meters, also because I needed it for some Newer speakers I've purchased. In particular, I have paired it with the updated KLH Model 5 Speakers and JBL 4312G along with some other sets I have. Frequency response of the Advance Paris A12 is 10Hz-35kHz with 0.007% THD.

Yes, this unit does use higher power consumption, but that's also why I wanted it when using it in A-B mode, it will still deliver the Full Power to each speaker.

The Advance Paris A10 splits the power between the speakers in the A-B mode, even though it still does the Dual Mono Channel Separation.

That was also a key feature I wanted for my listening room setup. With all that in mind along with the connection options with it, I couldn't resist.

They also do make Full Solid State Amps both Higher Performance ones and Mono Blocks without the Tubes.
You didn't answer any of my questions but it's ok if you don't know.
 
Specs are average, price is high. For people that want an effects box, tube distortion. The video is all subjective blah blah and he suggests this as a device for someone starting out in hifi to shell out $3k when he should be recommending something for a fraction of the price with better specs. What an ass.
What video are you talking about?
 
@Subob, I'm quite familiar with the games quote on quote "Audiophiles" play, which is why I never feed into it. They all use the same psychological tactics, it's like this everywhere. It gets really boring and lame.
Thanks for your “hands on” report. I’m not actually contemplating buying one. It’s just a new make I had not come across before and I wondered what it was like. Some of your report is very subjective which doesn’t go down well here as this tends to be (quite thankfully) a science/engineeering orientated forum. Also you mention things like the frequency response being wide but quote numbers that are not exceptional, and you don’t say what the dB variation is. Flatness is more important than excess width for most people. Then you say that the tubes give some “tonal shaping”, which implies that the frequency response is being distorted (although you may like the effect). Finally, in A+B mode the amp does not “half” the power going to each set of speakers. It always delivers what is demanded by each individual speaker, provided it can. Looks like it has lots of power to spare though, so that should not be an issue. Please don’t take offense; I’m not criticizing you, but you may want to spend some time looking a the amp reviews here to see what I mean. Also, take a look at the Amp Measurements video by the site owner Amirim – lots of good info.). You mention the Anthem STR: I have seen and heard it, and would be more inclined to go that route if I was actually in the market.
 
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