Anybody using D class amplifier for Magico speaker?

[Jokke]

Likewaise I'm using Class D to power my Avantgarde DUO XD speakers - and jolly good it is too!

It even has a heat sink and a toroidal transformer for its power supply.

I think you are a contender. Nice speakers.

 

[Hear Here]

That's why I suggested the Marantz Model 10, based on Purifi.
14500 Euro, is that expensive enough?

Probably not for most Magico owners. They'll be looking at spending 5 times that, not that it will be any better.

 

[Jokke]

Probably not for most Magico owners. They'll be looking at spending 5 times that, not that it will be any better.

I don't think that even exists in Class D.

 

[FrantzM]

Hi

Welcome @Canyonhk . Stay , learn and you will enjoy a lot more high quality audio reproduction, and this, while saving a lot.
Let's hope the following is not constructed as too harsh...
IMO, there is an intonation of "expensive" as "superior".. As if "superior" speakers require "superior" ancillary equipment in that case amplifiers to perform their best, "superior" ways. Science says: It isn't so. Expensive (by that I don't mean superior or even good) , speakers can be driven to perfection by mundane components. Those are facts. Verifiable, repeatable.
A truism: Like anything in life, there are good and bad Class D amplifiers. The better, those from Hypex, Ice and Purifi, for example can drive any sane speaker to their best. There has, of course, to be a match in term of power output, required SPL and stability of the amplifier under varying loads.. although the latter is not much of a concern with the better modules from Purify, Hypex, ICE, etc... So a good sufficiently powerful amplifer be it Class A,B,D, etc.. wll drie any good, well designed speaker.

Now to another point. Why Magico? One can like what one likes but ..... From casual search even on the seondary (Used) market it is a butdget of at least $10K .. likely $15 for those Magicos A5 or S3 ... I surmise there are speakers that would be much less dear capable of similar to superior performance at that budget... New.. Seriously , sueprior performance of speakers.. Revel F208, Revel F228Be, ... Or Kef Meta 11 or 7 or .. yeah,if you look long enough find a pair of Kef Blade or Revel Salon 2 or Revel F328 Be.. Those are end game level speakers ... by the way...
I'd suggest not to limit your search to those "expensive" speakers. There are better speakers out there for much less...

As for amplifers and to convince yourself, get a pair of Fosi Audio V3 monoblocks for less than $300 and reviewed HERE (Click) would open your eyes.. well you ears on the absence of correlation between prices and performance ...

Best

Peace.

 

[Sokel]

It's not snobbery, at all.
And mind you, 2.6 Ohm is a world away far from 2 Ohm. Lots of amps with their thermals at check can drive such loads.

It's not that Magico owners does not drive them with class D, it's probably we don't have any here.
I know set-ups north of $100k using nice Purifi's (well, they also use some 5W tube amps which look like something the cat brought in but at more than 100dB sens is irrelevant)

Drawing lines between a community with all shorts of people is more than a blanket statement.

 

[Bjorn]

We have some customers using our Vera Audio amps with Hypex and Purifi modules with Magico speakers.
It's only been positive feedback on the sound quality.

However, the NC500 module and Magico S3 is not a combination that works well technically. There's been issues, on upon power-up the frequency dips slightly before it stabilizes. Hypex told us that had seen it before with these specific speakers. It turned out that the issue was caused by the specific combination of amp, speakers and long speaker wire.

 

[musicservertips]

I used to own Martin Logan electrostatic speakers (Request and Sequel), which sounded fantastic when powered by Hypex Ncore 400 monoblocks. Electrostatics are notoriously hard to drive because their impedance drops very low at high frequencies (sometimes close to 1 ohm) and they present a highly capacitive load. Many conventional amplifiers can struggle with stability or current delivery under those conditions. The Ncore Class-D modules had no problem at all – they deliver plenty of clean power, remain stable into difficult loads, and keep full control of the panels. To my ears it was a very neutral and effortless combination. So I think - yes, the Magico should sound terrific with Class-D. Maybe you can borrow an amp and ask your dealer to play them with the Magico?

 

[Reddoc]

Apparently my posts are invisible here?
Post #22 above.
Happy to embellish that comment with more opinion if that's what you want, but can you read the thread before saying "no-one has tried it, no-one here has Magico's"?

 

[Mart68]

Apparently my posts are invisible here?
Post #22 above.
Happy to embellish that comment with more opinion if that's what you want, but can you read the thread before saying "no-one has tried it, no-one here has Magico's"?

I think because you only mentioned you use Nilai amps without stressing they are a Class D Hypex amp.

Lots of people will be unfamiliar with the brand name.

 

[boxerfan88]

Apparently my posts are invisible here?
Post #22 above.

Ooo … somehow i missed that post. So, A5 & D works fine.

 

[boxerfan88]

Wow, S3 min. at 1.6ohm. And something about EPDR 0.5 ohm. That’s a tough load.

 

[DSJR]

For the most part the ‘high end’ has nothing whatsoever to do with actual improving sound quality and everything to do with extracting cash from the customer.
Keith

I'd suggest it goes a little deeper than that, as the dealers themselves get into the 'more expensive and fancier the better' mode even in their own personal systems.

An ex colleague of mine who retired from his career at a 'west end' high end store, raved to me about the new 'low cost' Transparent Audio mains cable, which sold then for around £760. The 'High End club' he'd entered all those years ago would NEVER entertain our bargain price dacs, amps or solidly made sensible cables, even though he used for some years, a set of XLR cables I made up for him using Neutrik plugs and 'RS' mic cables in his Krell/Apogee system before replacing with very expensive Transparent Ultra equivalents.

I believe that like here to a degree with our sinad/Klippel 'specials,' one enters a kind-of 'club' when dealing with and buying high end gear and if you buy Magico speakers, then only a similar price/high-cachet amp, source and cabling will do, otherwise there's a huge niggling doubt that a cheaper item further back is acting as a bottleneck.

 

[Multicore]

How would the amp know that the speaker it's connected to is expensive?

How does an amp know anything? You have to tell it. How you tell it may be a sensitive question and might involve a language barrier but one way it another you have to explain or it won't know.

 

[Palmspar]

The Magico Asub use a Hypex Fa class D amp and Scan Speak Discovery driver.
My Diy subs have the same drivers and amps.

 

[pierre]

Wow, S3 min. at 1.6ohm. And something about EPDR 0.5 ohm. That’s a tough load.

When i see this numbers, i think ok lets use a PA amp, they will not bother.

I am sure they do not fit the Magico philosophy

 

[Jokke]

Wow, S3 min. at 1.6ohm. And something about EPDR 0.5 ohm. That’s a tough load.

Where did you get these figures?

 

[boxerfan88]

Where did you get these figures?

#46

 

[Jokke]

We have some customers using our Vera Audio amps with Hypex and Purifi modules with Magico speakers.
It's only been positive feedback on the sound quality.

However, the NC500 module and Magico S3 is not a combination that works well technically. There's been issues, on upon power-up the frequency dips slightly before it stabilizes. Hypex told us that had seen it before with these specific speakers. It turned out that the issue was caused by the specific combination of amp, speakers and long speaker wire.

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Better to avoid those S3 speakers then, if they are so demanding?
At least, Magico could publish the complete specs for such expensive speakers, to avoid surprises.

 

[AcousticTheory]

Two pages and it looks like no one has done class-D & Magico. Mostly opinions. Hmm…

I overlooked one post by Reddoc who has A5s and is powering them with Hypex Nilai monos with good results. That qualifies as a report. I suspect the higher end Magicos would also fare well, because the A-series are not poor speakers by any means.

Separately, and not Magico but similar, a friend of mine powered Thiel CS5i speakers with a pair of NCore NC400 monos back in 2015-ish and found them to be as acceptable to his ears as his Pass Aleph 0 amps that previously drove the CS5i, a notoriously bad impedance load.

 

[Keith_W]

Two pages and it looks like no one has done class-D & Magico. Mostly opinions. Hmm…

Why do you think that is? People on ASR already think the KEF Blades are overpriced. And the KEF Blades are a bargain compared to Magico. I doubt if there are any Magico owners here.