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Any reason not to order the new Buckeye 2nd Gen Purifi EIGENTAKT 2-ch amplifier?

No - I simply quote the figures given by a single brand about 2 of its products. Perhaps ask NAD if you really want the answer

If that were the case, why would NAD offer a costly box that features "all the fancy shit" that "actually lowers measured performance", when they don't need to? If their other Eigentakt offerings without the the better internals sounded better, they wouldn't be able to sell them and they wouldn't be so highly praised by respected reviewers.
Are you just that naive or just trolling? Its all just marketing, they need to make up a story to justify the higher price. Doesn't matter if all those fancy materials do anything, all that matters is that you believe it.

And what respected reviewers? We have the actual measurements of the M33 and the EVAL boards, from which you can easily see that you lose performance when you use the M33 compared to an EVAL board in combination with a high quality streamer. But that doesn't matter for marketing. It still performs more than good enough and you won't notice it in day to day use. Perhaps you even feel it performs better because you believe the marketing blurb. Gotta love a good placebo.
 
I asked ChatGPT to write a review of Buckeye for us, so there is no need to wait. I really liked the notes on sound quality!

Buckeye Amps Hypex NCx500: A New Contender in High-Power Class-D

In recent years, the audiophile landscape has experienced a renaissance in Class-D amplification. The technology, once derided for its shortcomings, has evolved remarkably, giving traditional Class-A and Class-AB amplifiers some formidable competition. At the forefront of this evolution is the Hypex NCx500 module, and Buckeye Amps—an American company with a penchant for delivering affordable, no-nonsense amplification—has integrated this potent module in their latest offering. The Buckeye NCx500 represents a modern take on high-power, clean, and efficient amplification.

First Impressions​

Out of the box, the Buckeye NCx500 immediately reflects the company's pragmatic ethos. Its exterior is simple, bordering on utilitarian, with clean lines and an industrial aesthetic. Buckeye emphasizes function over flamboyance here; this is an amplifier for those who value sonic performance over visual flash. Encased in a heavy-duty aluminum chassis, the build quality is solid and confidence-inspiring, with a weight that hints at the robust power supply and quality components within.

The back panel is sparse but functional: RCA and XLR inputs alongside high-quality speaker binding posts, catering to both single-ended and balanced configurations. The Hypex NCx500 module itself is based on an enhanced Ncore technology, designed for lower distortion, better damping, and reduced noise floor. It boasts a power rating of 500W into 4 ohms and 300W into 8 ohms, more than adequate for all but the most demanding speaker loads.

Sound Quality​

To truly understand what the NCx500 brings to the table, I set it up in my reference system, pairing it with a range of speakers—from the highly resolving Magnepan 3.7i to the slightly warmer KEF R7s. I ran it through both RCA and XLR connections to compare the sonic impact of each configuration.

Tonal Balance​

The Buckeye NCx500 impresses from the get-go with its neutrality. It eschews the warmth and coloration of traditional Class-AB amplifiers, offering instead a sound that is exceedingly clear and free of embellishments. This neutral character allows the natural timbre of each instrument to come through. The high frequencies are crisp yet not fatiguing, managing a delicate balance between detail and smoothness. Vocals are presented with precision, lending both male and female voices an uncanny clarity.

Midrange and Imaging​

The midrange performance of the NCx500 deserves particular attention. Hypex’s Ncore modules have been praised for their transparency, and the Buckeye iteration of the NCx500 brings out layers in recordings that can be startling to the seasoned listener. Listening to a familiar album like Kind of Blue, I was struck by how present and natural Miles Davis' trumpet sounded—each note hanging in the air with realistic weight and texture.

Imaging and soundstage are similarly impressive. While Class-D amplifiers can sometimes exhibit a “flatness” in soundstage depth, the NCx500 proves a pleasant exception. The spatial rendering is notably three-dimensional, with each instrument occupying its place in the room. It's easy to close your eyes and feel transported to the recording venue.

Bass Control and Dynamics​

The low end is where the Buckeye NCx500 shines. This amplifier is unflinchingly powerful and effortlessly controls bass frequencies with surgical precision. The impact of kick drums and bass guitar is palpable, delivered with tightness and accuracy. On tracks like Massive Attack’s Angel, the bass is forceful and defined, avoiding the bloat or muddiness that can plague lesser amplifiers. This is a particularly valuable trait for those who enjoy bass-heavy music or own speakers with substantial low-frequency extension.

The dynamic range, too, is commendable. The NCx500 handles micro-dynamics with finesse, capturing the smallest details in the music, while maintaining control over explosive transients. From delicate acoustic passages to high-energy rock anthems, it never breaks a sweat, remaining composed even at high volumes.

Efficiency and Practicality​

The NCx500’s efficiency is another highlight. It remains cool to the touch, even after extended listening sessions. Its low power consumption makes it suitable for long listening without impacting the electricity bill—a bonus in the eco-conscious age. For those seeking a reference-level amplifier that doesn’t require a dedicated cooling system, the Buckeye NCx500 is ideal.

Final Thoughts​

The Buckeye Amps NCx500 is a statement piece in the world of high-fidelity amplification. It combines Hypex’s top-tier NCx500 module with Buckeye’s meticulous construction to deliver an amplifier that excels in transparency, dynamics, and sheer power. For the price, it competes not only with similarly priced Class-D amps but also with some of the best Class-AB amplifiers on the market.

This amplifier isn’t for everyone—it’s a no-frills, performance-oriented product that places function over form. However, for those seeking an amplifier that simply disappears, letting the music take center stage, the Buckeye NCx500 offers a compelling value proposition. In a market where great sound often comes at a premium, Buckeye has provided an option that will satisfy discerning listeners without breaking the bank.

Verdict​

For those searching for a high-power, neutral amplifier that can handle nearly any speaker load with ease, the Buckeye NCx500 is a rare gem. It embodies the future of high-fidelity, offering a taste of high-end performance at a reasonable price point, and without a doubt, it deserves a place in the discerning audiophile's toolkit.
 
No - I simply quote the figures given by a single brand about 2 of its products. Perhaps ask NAD if you really want the answer

dBW is a useless term in relation to power amplifiers. dB with reference to 1 watt. What does that tell you? Nothing useful and all the reviewers that tried it on 20 years ago have sensibly kicked it to the kerb.

200W is 23dBW
380W is 25.8dBW but that is at a 4R load. And you can bet your 4R loudspeakers, even if they are specified with an efficiency in dB/W, will not be referenced to 2.0V (which they should be) but 2.83V, which is, in reality, 1W at 8R, not the specified 4R. So, it's useless for determining anything like peak levels etc.

200W@8R means the amplifier can swing 40V RMS, 113V peak to peak over an 8R load and 380W@4R (39V RMS) corresponds to 110V peak to peak.

Watts are a unit of power/work which is what a 'power' amplifier is all about.
 
No - I simply quote the figures given by a single brand about 2 of its products. Perhaps ask NAD if you really want the answer

I see you did not understand what I asked, or why I asked for those figures converted to dBW. Which is frankly what I expected given your overheated language.

Marketers prefer Watts to dBW because the numbers are bigger and grow faster. Isn't it more impressive sounding to jump from 100W to 200W than to go from 20dBW to 23 dbW?

You see, dBW is a measure of how much SPL gain one can expect from an amplifier driving a loudspeaker. It's a simplification (speakers are not resistors) but the general trends tend to hold unless the amp has a truly terrible power supply.

For example, if you have a 85dB/w/m 8
Ohm speaker with zero compression, and an amp capable of 100W (20dBW) output, you can expect a maximum of 105dB/1m output from that speaker.

I used this calculator because it was the first thing I saw in a search for "watts to dbw calculator":

Comparative 8 Ohm power ratings.
185W = 22.67dBW
200W = 23.01dBW
Delta = 0.34dBW

Comparative 4 Ohm power ratings:
340W = 25.31dBW
400W - 26.02dBW
Delta = 0.71dBW

IOW, a margin of error difference; the boxes may in fact test the same in real life but for marketing purposes they won't be rated the same given the cost delta. ;)

Put another way, claiming "significantly greater output" for one over the other of these two amps is errant nonsense.

The bottom line is both these amps - and all of the ones discussed in this thread that I've seen - are fine. You won't hear any difference if you compare them using proper controls, but you may like one over the other for whatever non-sound related reason. And that's fine. Just don't be one of those dumbasses who pretend the actual driver of their preference is "sound quality" rather than some intangible that personally appeals for whatever perfectly valid reason.
 
Put another way, claiming "significantly greater output" for one over the other of these two amps is errant nonsense.

Did you see the measured outputs of the NAD M33 in Stereophile? Bear in mind the power supply is bespoke. It is significantly more powerful than the 'reference' design and shows in ultimate continuous power.
 
Marketers prefer Watts to dBW because the numbers are bigger and grow faster. Isn't it more impressive sounding to jump from 100W to 200W than to go from 20dBW to 23 dbW?

The suggestion of using an unconventional or unrecognised unit to measure an amp's output is surely doomed to failure. Unless everyone knows what the new unit is, it means nothing to anyone apart from a few nerdy insiders - no offence! Watts are so widely recognised and have been used for decades to provide an indication of output and everyone understands them. It's like suggesting that car engines should be re-specified by Kw instead of bhp - it just won't work, despite maybe being more logical.

Did you see the measured outputs of the NAD M33 in Stereophile? Bear in mind the power supply is bespoke. It is significantly more powerful than the 'reference' design and shows in ultimate continuous power.
My point exactly. If a single brand (NAD in this case) specifies different power outputs for 2 of its Purifi-based amps and test results verify this, there must be something that explains this extra power. It comes at an increased cost and an improved level of sound quality - exactly what NAD attempts to do with their Master Series.

Why do some people think that the cheapest way to get a particular result is the best and those paying more are wasting their money or are being taken for a ride? Perhaps they think that a Skoda is as good as a Bentley because its measured performance matches the costly alternative! With cars and audio, build quality, longevity, comfort, features, luxury, pride of ownership all tend to make costlier items a preferred choice, albeit at a higher price.
 
Same amplifier module, same power supply. Can't be too different. Top M33, bottom C 298.
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I have comparable photos of the M23 and C298 (both NAD power amps using Eigentakt technology) and it's obvious there's a lot more to the M23 - the right-hand image

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Same amplifier module, same power supply. Can't be too different. Top M33, bottom C 298.
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But more components means betterer everyone knows that.
Next you will be saying that a light amplifier is as good as a heavy one.
Keith
 
The suggestion of using an unconventional or unrecognised unit…

Um, do you read Stereophile? True, JA uses it incorrectly, but dBW is referenced in every single goddamn Stereophile amp review with a meaningful (i.e. test bench) section.

Regardless, the whole point of units of measure is to allow comparative perspective. Watts are misleading because big differences in numbers have very small real world effect. That's also why marketers love the measure. dBW is helpful in that regard. I guess one can lead horse to water, but if one then tries to force it to drink...the only thing that does is risk drowning the poor animal.

If a single brand (NAD in this case) specifies different power outputs for 2 of its Purifi-based amps and test results verify this, there must be something that explains this extra power.

Why?

It comes at an increased cost and an improved level of sound quality

You have no rational basis for any assertions related to "sound quality" here. If I'm wrong, please publish your controlled listening protocol and test results, or others that you are personally aware of.

Why do some people think that the cheapest way to get a particular result is the best and those paying more are wasting their money

Please read better. I hate repeating myself, but maybe some emphasis will make the point stick...
"you may like one over the other for whatever non-sound related reason. And that's fine. Just don't be one of those dumbasses who pretend the actual driver of their preference is "sound quality" rather than some intangible that personally appeals for whatever perfectly valid reason."
 
I see you did not understand what I asked, or why I asked for those figures converted to dBW. Which is frankly what I expected given your overheated language.

Marketers prefer Watts to dBW because the numbers are bigger and grow faster. Isn't it more impressive sounding to jump from 100W to 200W than to go from 20dBW to 23 dbW?

You see, dBW is a measure of how much SPL gain one can expect from an amplifier driving a loudspeaker. It's a simplification (speakers are not resistors) but the general trends tend to hold unless the amp has a truly terrible power supply.

For example, if you have a 85dB/w/m 8
Ohm speaker with zero compression, and an amp capable of 100W (20dBW) output, you can expect a maximum of 105dB/1m output from that speaker.

I used this calculator because it was the first thing I saw in a search for "watts to dbw calculator":

Comparative 8 Ohm power ratings.
185W = 22.67dBW
200W = 23.01dBW
Delta = 0.34dBW

Comparative 4 Ohm power ratings:
340W = 25.31dBW
400W - 26.02dBW
Delta = 0.71dBW

IOW, a margin of error difference; the boxes may in fact test the same in real life but for marketing purposes they won't be rated the same given the cost delta. ;)

Put another way, claiming "significantly greater output" for one over the other of these two amps is errant nonsense.

The bottom line is both these amps - and all of the ones discussed in this thread that I've seen - are fine. You won't hear any difference if you compare them using proper controls, but you may like one over the other for whatever non-sound related reason. And that's fine. Just don't be one of those dumbasses who pretend the actual driver of their preference is "sound quality" rather than some intangible that personally appeals for whatever perfectly valid reason.

The first "advantage" of using dB's is that 99% of the population doesn't have clue as to what dB's mean. This puts the user of dB's, which is many of us on this site, in a position where we seem smarter than most, at least to ourselves. dBW reduces further the percent of people who understand what is being discussed. Among those who do understand dBW are folks like me who consider dBW to be rather useless since so few people use it. Tell people that one W is one joule per second, and you've lost even more people, especially in the U.S.

dB's are really useful in dealing with values that vary by orders of magnitude without having to deal with very large and small numbers and for use in selected, quick calculations. Frankly I find dB's to be extremely useful and I use them all the time, but that's in work I do or with others who understand them. People in the general population have no reason to understand dB's. Might a well talk about holes and transistors.

An all-too-common use of power dB's in forums like this is by those who are clever enough to understand that a doubling of power is "only" 3 dB's. We all know that 3 is a small number!

In another setting, let's say that a 1,000-megawatt nuclear electric power plant costs $10 billion to build. Purchasing a second 1,000-megawatt plant as part of an order only adds 3 dB to the total power capacity purchased but costs another $10 billion. Suddenly +3 dB of power increase is a major increase, and yet it's only +3 dB.
 
My take away is that the new Buckeye amp, the new Topping B200 and the Benchmark AHB2 have such low distortion that they should all sound the same...which is to say, no sound signature.

Two concerns that may or may not be important to some...do any of the competitive super low distortion amps of this genre exhibit the ever so annoying turn on/off pops/thumps and how important is a front power on, power off button to those who have their gear in a cabinet?
 
I own 3 different Buckeye amplifiers (1 Purifi 1st generation, 1 NC502 and 1 NC252). None of them pop on startup or turn off. They are all absolutely spectacular. I use them all of the time and they have been flawless. Dylan is super easy to do business with. Don't waste your money elsewhere.
 
It seems there are a lot of people around here who need to buy some Buckeye amps. You all need to get your orders in right away! The nice thing is you never, ever have to apologize for having a Buckeye amp. Top level, well built and well supported stuff. What more is there to say?
 
Did you see the measured outputs of the NAD M33 in Stereophile? Bear in mind the power supply is bespoke. It is significantly more powerful than the 'reference' design and shows in ultimate continuous power.
Isn't continuous power is more relient on sufficient cooling for these modules? I can understand peak power differences due to a better power supply. But for continuous output the modules are therminally limited.
 
According datasheet:
Performance depends on physical implementation and system-level circuitry/configuration.
Continuous output power depends on properties of the thermal system.
Data provided is based on module operating in free air.
 
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There's a lot of references to design and build quality of NAD products. I've repaired a few NAD amps, including M3s and M23s, and I won't touch another one. Overly complex designs with mediocre components. The construction is very good and nice looking to the casual observer but they are the polar opposite of a Pass Labs, in terms of design and components. Just my opinion.
 
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