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Any reason not to order the new Buckeye 2nd Gen Purifi EIGENTAKT 2-ch amplifier?

Differences? Perhaps. Human-audible differences? Unless deliberate, you’d have to screw up pretty bad. But that’s why we measure this stuff. An insufficient power supply will produce measurable limitations in power headroom, distortion, etc. Poor component selection or internal layout will produce measurable noise/distortion/FR issues. While obviously there's a minimum cost to a solid implementation, most of this is down to thoughtful engineering, not how much $$ you spend on gold-plated parts.
It may intrigue you that the Purifi module built under license by NAD offers a significantly greater output than the EVAL board.

The M23 / M33 Master Series units use this module delivering 200 / 380 watts, whereas the C298 (also Purifi Eigentakt) delivers 185 / 340 watts. Odd being from the same stable. One is better implemented with better components all round - hence the price and performance difference, perhaps? I'd suggest you get what you pay for, generally speaking. Not all Purifi amps are the same.

As one of your fellow contributors observed "If you have the cash for it, then go for the M33, which is a State Of The Art Streamer/Amp, with stunning build quality, beefy power (actually even more powerful than Purifi reference design)"
 
Being that we are on ASR forums, an easy search would show that cost/being a "recognized" company isn't directly related to better performance
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And being on ASR, you would know the 5W@4R SINAD is hardly a sole determiner of performance is it? No need for you to play that silly fool's game.
 
And being on ASR, you would know the 5W@4R SINAD is hardly a sole determiner of performance is it? No need for you to play that silly fool's game.
You're right. I wouldn't use the SINAD as a way to be like "This amp is clearly better than that amp" of course.

But it's a great starting point to show that among the different builds around the same amp module, there is negligible variation and from there someone could do a deeper dive to compare the entire review gamut of each if they'd like. But we both know that unless there is a clear inherent issue/defect, the overall measurements will have a similar negligible variation between builds.
 
But it's a great starting point to show that among the different builds around the same amp module
NAD does not use any off-the-shelf purifi modules (Lyngdorf and T+A also build under license with improvements) but rather modules produced and matched 'in-house'.
This also applies to the M23, the bridge-mode extension of the M33, i.e. in the real world, other things matter (one example):
NAD has added a gain stage to increase its headroom so that it works better with the DSP circuits of its room-correction software and tone controls. NAD concedes that this slightly decreases the M33’s signal/noise ratio, but with careful design and premium parts, and because the Eigentakt’s S/N is so low to begin with, the noise is still inaudible.
Source: soundstagehifi.com
 
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My bad for using the term module rather than using a more correct term (I incorrectly assumed people would infer EIGENTAKT comparison).

Point still stands.
 
I need a new amp that pushes 200w+ per channel into 8ohm. (Revel f208 speakers, Wiim ultra streamer - I know I don't need 200w+, but I just want to give them all the power they're rated for and never worry about it again. Need to replace my current amp anyways.)

I was going to order the Nilai Hypex DIY kit, but this 2nd gen Eigentakt 1ET6525SA is for sale with similar specs. I like that it's prebuilt for about the same money, and I prefer the look of the buckeye case.

Now, the new Buckeye hasn't even been measured yet, and I don't think anyone has heard it either, so kind of shooting in the dark here, but seems like I can't really go wrong with this choice.
What would you do?
I recently purchased a Hypex NCx500 stereo amp from Buckeye. I was originally after 2 second gen purifi monoblocks. Dylan talked me into the Hypex stereo amp. I was reluctant to be talked out of the Purifi direction.

I really can't believe how good the Hypex NCx500 is. It's amazing. I think I like it more than my McIntosh MC207. I like it more than my Willsenton R8 tube amp. I like it better than my Parasound Halo, Adcom, and Acurus products. It's incredible.
 
Just to chime in here - I own a Buckeye 4ch NC252 with serial number "2", Dylan's second order. It has performed flawlessly from the beginning and I have received assistance with questions and even got a new vented top plate at no cost as the design evolved. I've watched Buckeye grow over the years and his interactions here on ASR and elsewhere and I can honestly say he has my full respect.

Congrats on placing your order @Wavez, you'll have no regrets.
 
I recently purchased a Hypex NCx500 stereo amp from Buckeye. I was originally after 2 second gen purifi monoblocks. Dylan talked me into the Hypex stereo amp. I was reluctant to be talked out of the Purifi direction.

I really can't believe how good the Hypex NCx500 is. It's amazing. I think I like it more than my McIntosh MC207. I like it more than my Willsenton R8 tube amp. I like it better than my Parasound Halo, Adcom, and Acurus products. It's incredible.

What / Why did he talked you into Hypex over Purify?

I'am considering NC502MP, Hypex NCx500 or 1ET6525SA. Any thoughts?
 
It may intrigue you that the Purifi module built under license by NAD offers a significantly greater output than the EVAL board.

The M23 / M33 Master Series units use this module delivering 200 / 380 watts, whereas the C298 (also Purifi Eigentakt) delivers 185 / 340 watts.

Can you convert those figures into dBW for us?
 
What / Why did he talked you into Hypex over Purify?

I'am considering NC502MP, Hypex NCx500 or 1ET6525SA. Any thoughts?
In their case, they were looking at the Purifi 9040 Monoblocks. They are definitely the latest SOTA/top measuring amp out there. But most customers are looking for the best match at the best price for their setup so in this case, with the speakers they have (etc), when cost is factored in the NCx500 was the better choice for them.
 
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Different power supplies, internal wiring, case design, internal screening, better components - surely some of these, or all of them, will influence the sound difference between a cheap DIY or garage-built amp based on a basic Eval board, compared with one costing 2 or 3 times as much (but still much better value than A or AB amps) from a recognised brand that makes the effort to get the absolute best from Eigentakt technology.
That will only affect measurements. In a lot of cases all the fancy shit you are talking about actually lowers measured performance. In almost all cases it doesn't really matter as it will have no audible effect.
 
Can you convert those figures into dBW for us?
No - I simply quote the figures given by a single brand about 2 of its products. Perhaps ask NAD if you really want the answer
That will only affect measurements. In a lot of cases all the fancy shit you are talking about actually lowers measured performance. In almost all cases it doesn't really matter as it will have no audible effect.
If that were the case, why would NAD offer a costly box that features "all the fancy shit" that "actually lowers measured performance", when they don't need to? If their other Eigentakt offerings without the the better internals sounded better, they wouldn't be able to sell them and they wouldn't be so highly praised by respected reviewers.
 
If that were the case, why would NAD offer a costly box that features "all the fancy shit" that "actually lowers measured performance", when they don't need to? If their other Eigentakt offerings without the the better internals sounded better, they wouldn't be able to sell them and they wouldn't be so highly praised by respected reviewers.
I can guarantee in a proper blind test setup you cannot hear the difference. The differences now are merely measurable...we are well past audible improvements UNLESS there is a very improper implementation.

Also, they offer it to make money. A lot of people who can spend that price range will do so without knowing the lower cost item will sound identical. That's like asking why some companies sell different tiers of RCA or XLR cables if they all sound the same....
 
No - I simply quote the figures given by a single brand about 2 of its products. Perhaps ask NAD if you really want the answer

If that were the case, why would NAD offer a costly box that features "all the fancy shit" that "actually lowers measured performance", when they don't need to? If their other Eigentakt offerings without the the better internals sounded better, they wouldn't be able to sell them and they wouldn't be so highly praised by respected reviewers.
Are you just that naive or just trolling? Its all just marketing, they need to make up a story to justify the higher price. Doesn't matter if all those fancy materials do anything, all that matters is that you believe it.

And what respected reviewers? We have the actual measurements of the M33 and the EVAL boards, from which you can easily see that you lose performance when you use the M33 compared to an EVAL board in combination with a high quality streamer. But that doesn't matter for marketing. It still performs more than good enough and you won't notice it in day to day use. Perhaps you even feel it performs better because you believe the marketing blurb. Gotta love a good placebo.
 
I asked ChatGPT to write a review of Buckeye for us, so there is no need to wait. I really liked the notes on sound quality!

Buckeye Amps Hypex NCx500: A New Contender in High-Power Class-D

In recent years, the audiophile landscape has experienced a renaissance in Class-D amplification. The technology, once derided for its shortcomings, has evolved remarkably, giving traditional Class-A and Class-AB amplifiers some formidable competition. At the forefront of this evolution is the Hypex NCx500 module, and Buckeye Amps—an American company with a penchant for delivering affordable, no-nonsense amplification—has integrated this potent module in their latest offering. The Buckeye NCx500 represents a modern take on high-power, clean, and efficient amplification.

First Impressions​

Out of the box, the Buckeye NCx500 immediately reflects the company's pragmatic ethos. Its exterior is simple, bordering on utilitarian, with clean lines and an industrial aesthetic. Buckeye emphasizes function over flamboyance here; this is an amplifier for those who value sonic performance over visual flash. Encased in a heavy-duty aluminum chassis, the build quality is solid and confidence-inspiring, with a weight that hints at the robust power supply and quality components within.

The back panel is sparse but functional: RCA and XLR inputs alongside high-quality speaker binding posts, catering to both single-ended and balanced configurations. The Hypex NCx500 module itself is based on an enhanced Ncore technology, designed for lower distortion, better damping, and reduced noise floor. It boasts a power rating of 500W into 4 ohms and 300W into 8 ohms, more than adequate for all but the most demanding speaker loads.

Sound Quality​

To truly understand what the NCx500 brings to the table, I set it up in my reference system, pairing it with a range of speakers—from the highly resolving Magnepan 3.7i to the slightly warmer KEF R7s. I ran it through both RCA and XLR connections to compare the sonic impact of each configuration.

Tonal Balance​

The Buckeye NCx500 impresses from the get-go with its neutrality. It eschews the warmth and coloration of traditional Class-AB amplifiers, offering instead a sound that is exceedingly clear and free of embellishments. This neutral character allows the natural timbre of each instrument to come through. The high frequencies are crisp yet not fatiguing, managing a delicate balance between detail and smoothness. Vocals are presented with precision, lending both male and female voices an uncanny clarity.

Midrange and Imaging​

The midrange performance of the NCx500 deserves particular attention. Hypex’s Ncore modules have been praised for their transparency, and the Buckeye iteration of the NCx500 brings out layers in recordings that can be startling to the seasoned listener. Listening to a familiar album like Kind of Blue, I was struck by how present and natural Miles Davis' trumpet sounded—each note hanging in the air with realistic weight and texture.

Imaging and soundstage are similarly impressive. While Class-D amplifiers can sometimes exhibit a “flatness” in soundstage depth, the NCx500 proves a pleasant exception. The spatial rendering is notably three-dimensional, with each instrument occupying its place in the room. It's easy to close your eyes and feel transported to the recording venue.

Bass Control and Dynamics​

The low end is where the Buckeye NCx500 shines. This amplifier is unflinchingly powerful and effortlessly controls bass frequencies with surgical precision. The impact of kick drums and bass guitar is palpable, delivered with tightness and accuracy. On tracks like Massive Attack’s Angel, the bass is forceful and defined, avoiding the bloat or muddiness that can plague lesser amplifiers. This is a particularly valuable trait for those who enjoy bass-heavy music or own speakers with substantial low-frequency extension.

The dynamic range, too, is commendable. The NCx500 handles micro-dynamics with finesse, capturing the smallest details in the music, while maintaining control over explosive transients. From delicate acoustic passages to high-energy rock anthems, it never breaks a sweat, remaining composed even at high volumes.

Efficiency and Practicality​

The NCx500’s efficiency is another highlight. It remains cool to the touch, even after extended listening sessions. Its low power consumption makes it suitable for long listening without impacting the electricity bill—a bonus in the eco-conscious age. For those seeking a reference-level amplifier that doesn’t require a dedicated cooling system, the Buckeye NCx500 is ideal.

Final Thoughts​

The Buckeye Amps NCx500 is a statement piece in the world of high-fidelity amplification. It combines Hypex’s top-tier NCx500 module with Buckeye’s meticulous construction to deliver an amplifier that excels in transparency, dynamics, and sheer power. For the price, it competes not only with similarly priced Class-D amps but also with some of the best Class-AB amplifiers on the market.

This amplifier isn’t for everyone—it’s a no-frills, performance-oriented product that places function over form. However, for those seeking an amplifier that simply disappears, letting the music take center stage, the Buckeye NCx500 offers a compelling value proposition. In a market where great sound often comes at a premium, Buckeye has provided an option that will satisfy discerning listeners without breaking the bank.

Verdict​

For those searching for a high-power, neutral amplifier that can handle nearly any speaker load with ease, the Buckeye NCx500 is a rare gem. It embodies the future of high-fidelity, offering a taste of high-end performance at a reasonable price point, and without a doubt, it deserves a place in the discerning audiophile's toolkit.
 
I asked ChatGPT to write a review of Buckeye for us, so there is no need to wait. I really liked the notes on sound quality!
After reading that review, I want to order two!
 
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