I thought Cinema 40 has gold plated connectors, not that it matters at all but if it has then it has, just wonder why they would not spend an extra dollar on the AV30 to keep the same. I guess the posted photo is that of a prototype, the production model may be a little different??
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Any dates yet on Marantz AV30 release?
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I thought Cinema 40 has gold plated connectors, not that it matters at all but if it has then it has, just wonder why they would not spend an extra dollar on the AV30 to keep the same. I guess the posted photo is that of a prototype, the production model may be a little different??
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Isn’t that the way the 770x line was too? I don’t remember and I sold my old 7703 when it was obvious HTP-1 is reliable in addition to being better.
Ultimately, who cares? If it had the channel count and processing one needs and is reliable in use, then the most expensive ones are kind of pointless in that application.
Absolutely agree. But then people would most often like to have the cake and eat it all
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Just some screenshots of the tech sheet for anyone having issues with the pdf
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Just foundation this.
This is good, but I can't wait for the one from Masimo, now that they had changed hand, I hope those training video will continue so again I look forward to see that, the one from Audioadvice are typically just fine when waiting on the better ones.
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Well, HTP-1 might be a better value at this channel count with it's additional features. Beyond 16 channels (including subs) Marantz has at least the channel count advantage.
Would be great to have HTP-2 with more channels and assignable channels like dual centers, dual surrounds, etc.
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That’s what I was thinking. In Canada $5000 CAD seems a bit high for this AV30 unit to me. I bought my A1H for $6400 CAD taxes in. That was before the price bump here in Canada but these Marantz AV series are so high priced.
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So its the Cinema 40 (current market price 2400€), minus the power amps, plus XLR-preouts? Or is there anything more?
I guess this has more to do with market segmentation (AVPs are "highend" and therefore people will pay more), than actual cost. I like XLRs, but not that much.
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I keep seeing the narrative that the AVPs are just the AVRs without stuff. I can understand why that’s the end result to the customer, but if you open one up it has very little shared design with the AVRs. does that make it better or worse, for the lab bench to determine. but at least you are paying for an actually new product.
Agreed. AVPs are definitely not just AVRs without the "stuff" being amp modules. They require different board design etc. Also absolutely agreed that it does not make it better or worse.
Still don't understand the whole point of bringing AVPs down though. They are not better for the most part than their AVR parts, but they are different products. I for one chose AV10 to get rid of, to me, very annoying heat from AVRs in pre-amp mode, and hopes of the longer useful life, as well as not being limited with the built in amps if the use case called.
To me it was a no brainer as my 15 year old amps (7 of them) would be a major pain to sell, and the proceeds would be not meaningful to me at least compared to the pain. They likely have another 10 years to go so not worried about that part.
Another point to consider is SPL and distortion. If you really want to push you high channel count system, either because you want to impair your hearing or for a party show-off, AVRs will do much less than a decent AVP system.
EDIT: To that extent I find it most annoying when people ask how far they can push their AVR based system. Reminds me of school days when people were asking - you passed the test, but how much less I can do to pass it with a poor grade. In this case it is your room, system and the stunt you want to pull. At school it was random as few people were asked the same questions.
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Have they announced which DACs this has? I’d be curious if it has the TI dacs from the Cinema 30 or the ESS from the AV10/AV20
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That’s right, Cinema 30 is the same as the 6800 not the 4800.
If I remember right it has the better dac like the C30, and 2 DAC filters, other than that yes a C40 minus power amp but has balanced outputs.
I disagree, have you seen the signal flow diagrams and schematics of some of them?
As an example, the AV7705 and the SR7015 shares the same preamp/dac design and parts (example: opamps, volume chip, dac chip, switches), that is a fact and is cost effective. If you consider that means “very little shared design” then okay that’s your opinion.
The layouts are different obviously as it does not have the power amps and the power supply but has balanced outputs.
To be clear, I have no problem with the AV30 specifically, but find it generally annoying that AVPs are basically allways more expensive than AVRs.
I'm sure many people (including me) would like to have the option of say, a version of the Cinema 40 without amps, for 30% less and in a smaller box. And use their own amps, or active speakers.
But no, if you want a Processor without Amps, you allways have to pay the "AVP tax".
I'm sure many people (including me) would like to have the option of say, a version of the Cinema 40 without amps, for 30% less and in a smaller box. And use their own amps, or active speakers.
But no, if you want a Processor without Amps, you allways have to pay the "AVP tax".
So not sure what to disagree with - without seeing schematics and just using common sense. Looks like we all agree but then not?
The more important news is that AV30 is obsolete based on features compared to HTP-1. That is the point to be discussed.
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