Any dates yet on Marantz AV30 release?

[TheKoC]

300W for 6 channels is not a lot.
For the pre, so it is confirmed that the same dac chips as the x6800h ?

300W is just some average power consumption number, it says 400W on the AMP 20. I would assume it has the same amplifiers as the 20 and 10, which are 200W in 8 Ohm and 400 into 4.

 

[Vincentponcet]

So everything is downgraded, from the DAC chips, probably the output stages, and the amp board too, look at the back, no gold plated speaker connectors, no copper plate, it looks like denon x4800h / marantz cinema 40 level.

Very bad that they downgraded the components for the 30, and not just stick to the AV10/20 level.
I'm wondering what the value of this range then, if it is "just" the pre of cinema 30 and a 6 channel cut of the amp of cinema 40 in separate boxes.

 

[ban25]

Guess who
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Very likely my next processor. Given that photos are out in the wild, I assume it will be announced at CES in January.

 

[jhaider]

So this is the new 770x?

 

[masterhw]

Very bad that they downgraded the components for the 30, and not just stick to the AV10/20 level.
I'm wondering what the value of this range then, if it is "just" the pre of cinema 30 and a 6 channel cut of the amp of cinema 40 in separate boxes.

some pretty heavy generalizing there, the HDAM circuitry is quite different between AV and Cinema product lines, and the AV30 still has a real chance of scoring north of 100 dB SINAD. the ES9017S is no slouch.
additionally, the AMP 30 has nothing in common with the Cinemas. it’s class D.

 

[kawauso]

Very likely my next processor. Given that photos are out in the wild, I assume it will be announced at CES in January.

The AV30 looks exciting. You’ll be getting plenty of balanced outputs along with ART.

 

[peng]

So everything is downgraded, from the DAC chips, probably the output stages, and the amp board too, look at the back, no gold plated speaker connectors, no copper plate, it looks like denon x4800h / marantz cinema 40 level.

Very bad that they downgraded the components for the 30, and not just stick to the AV10/20 level.
I'm wondering what the value of this range then, if it is "just" the pre of cinema 30 and a 6 channel cut of the amp of cinema 40 in separate boxes.

If they are priced lower than the Cinema 40’s, then I think it can be attractive, otherwise it is only viable for those who must have balanced outputs and don’t value the build in power amps of the avrs.

 

[peng]

some pretty heavy generalizing there, the HDAM circuitry is quite different between AV and Cinema product lines, and the AV30 still has a real chance of scoring north of 100 dB SINAD. the ES9017S is no slouch.
additionally, the AMP 30 has nothing in common with the Cinemas. it’s class D.

Imo not that heavy generalizing, though that is some what subjective. According to the Masimo/Marantz videos, the different HDAM boards are about different applications, not sound quality, those video talks are full of marketing hype anyway. On the more objective side, the discrete HDAM opas by themselves may be better than the IC OPAs, but since they are not used in every stage, the benefits (if matters on SQ) are very limited because the overall effects are naturally limited to the weakest link. Example: if you look at the schematics/block diagrams of their high end integrated amps, there are a much larger number of HDAMs on per channel basis, vs the one per channel for the AV10 and AV20. So in those amps (pre and power), they clearly tried to keep the IC OPAs to the minimum (relatively speaking), though sadly they are still used in there, but at least in those cases, there may be a little more truth about the higher slew rate benefits, among possibly others.

As to the Amp 30, I think they will measure a lot better than the AVR amps of the C40 or even the C30, whether they will sound better or not is going to be a different story.

 

[TheAVInsider]

If they are priced lower than the Cinema 40’s, then I think it can be attractive, otherwise it is only viable for those who must have balanced outputs and don’t value the build in power amps of the avrs.

Nearly identical in price, above in spec.
Here's your first look at the sheet

 

[TheAVInsider]

Marantz AMP 30
6-Channel Power Amplifier

Balanced XLR inputs
BTL (Bridge-Tied Load) mode: Configurable as three channels of 400 W or six channels of 200 W
System integration ready: RS-232 control, DC trigger I/O, IR flasher input, and Marantz Remote Bus support.

Technical Specifications
Amplifier Channels 6
Power Output (8 Ω, 1 kHz, 0.05% THD) 200 W per channel (Normal) / 400 W (BTL)
Power Output (4 Ω, 1 kHz, 0.7% THD) 400 W per channel (Normal)
Power Output (8 Ω, 5ch Drive) 200 W per channel
Amplifier Design Marantz HDAM, Current Feedback Amplification
Audio Inputs Balanced XLR & Unbalanced RCA (6-channel, selectable)
Speaker Terminals 6 × SPKT-1+ terminals
Bi-Amp / BTL Support Yes / Yes
Front Display Analog output level meter
Power Consumption 300 W (70 W no-sound, ECO on/off)
Standby Consumption 0.2 W
Dimensions (W × D × H) 17.4 × 17.4 × 4.4 inches
Weight 22.0 lbs

 

[peng]

Marantz AMP 30
6-Channel Power Amplifier

Balanced XLR inputs
BTL (Bridge-Tied Load) mode: Configurable as three channels of 400 W or six channels of 200 W
System integration ready: RS-232 control, DC trigger I/O, IR flasher input, and Marantz Remote Bus support.

Technical Specifications
Amplifier Channels 6
Power Output (8 Ω, 1 kHz, 0.05% THD) 200 W per channel (Normal) / 400 W (BTL)
Power Output (4 Ω, 1 kHz, 0.7% THD) 400 W per channel (Normal)
Power Output (8 Ω, 5ch Drive) 200 W per channel
Amplifier Design Marantz HDAM, Current Feedback Amplification
Audio Inputs Balanced XLR & Unbalanced RCA (6-channel, selectable)
Speaker Terminals 6 × SPKT-1+ terminals
Bi-Amp / BTL Support Yes / Yes
Front Display Analog output level meter
Power Consumption 300 W (70 W no-sound, ECO on/off)
Standby Consumption 0.2 W
Dimensions (W × D × H) 17.4 × 17.4 × 4.4 inches
Weight 22.0 lbs

6 channel makes sense, though 3 channel would be a winner! The 16 channel version is silly, almost stupid as it only fits a very people, others (the non stupid ones) may go for it because they are no better choice, and they are willing to pay more for less, only because they want a two box solution (eg. AV10+Amp10).

 

[Oddball]

6 channel makes sense, though 3 channel would be a winner! The 16 channel version is silly, almost stupid as it only fits a very people, others (the non stupid ones) may go for it because they are no better choice, and they are willing to pay more for less, only because they want a two box solution (eg. AV10+Amp10).

Not going to judge people that want two box solution for high channel count. They can do whatever they want. Trinnov owners seem to love two box approach too, albeit at much higher price.

While there are other reasons I would never go with 16 channel amp, the most rational is that if something goes wrong with the amp - your entire system is likely dead. Replacement option is not really economical and repairs are also not quick and easy. If one of my stereo amps dies, I can live without front wides for a while until I figure out what to do.

 

[peng]

Not going to judge people that want two box solution for high channel count. They can do whatever they want. Trinnov owners seem to love two box approach too, albeit at much higher price.

While there are other reasons I would never go with 16 channel amp, the most rational is that if something goes wrong with the amp - your entire system is likely dead. Replacement option is not really economical and repairs are also not quick and easy. If one of my stereo amps dies, I can live without front wides for a while until I figure out what to do.

Fully agreed, I recognized those who prefer the least possible number of boxes to the extreme and therefor are willing to pay a much higher premium than many people, including me would. Everyone has a different judgment when it comes to value.

 

[sask15]

The pdf for the AV30 doesn’t open for me. Not sure why. I have an A1H waiting to be used soon but just curious.

 

[peng]

The pdf for the AV30 doesn’t open for me. Not sure why. I have an A1H waiting to be used soon but just curious.

I tried but also could not open it. Just curious, I guess you don't need more than 11 channel processing, build in power amps, but need balanced outputs; and is still within the return window for the A1 H right?

 

[sask15]

I have the A1H, Macintosh 7270 for fronts( just like the look of the Macintosh amps lit up), Anthem 325 gen 2 and 225 gen 2. B&W 705 S3 signature fronts in blue, matching signature center, 706 S3 side surrounds, going to use B&W outdoor AM1 speakers for rear ceiling surrounds. 2-DB1D’s for subs. Been sitting in boxes for like a year waiting for house build. Hopefully the MC7270 works, bought it from a buy and sell. Will trigger it on with a Furman power conditioner. I don’t need the channels of the A1H just got a good deal on it.

 

[sask15]

This website has a preview of the amp 30.

Marantz AMP 30: A Six-Channel Power Amplifier That Never Breaks a Sweat

Marantz AMP 30 delivers 6 × 200W of calm, high-current power with HDAM circuitry and true musical authority.

www.stereoindex.com

 

[DrStranger]

This website has a preview of the amp 30.

Marantz AMP 30: A Six-Channel Power Amplifier That Never Breaks a Sweat

Marantz AMP 30 delivers 6 × 200W of calm, high-current power with HDAM circuitry and true musical authority.

www.stereoindex.com

I hate websites that uses that cookie manager, deliberate cookie storing on your computer - that makes it hard to reject.

What does the article say if I may ask?

 

[TheAVInsider]

The links to Marantz I posted won't open until it's officially released. I just put the actual links out early. Sorry you don't have access. I don't have access either. lol. They are the correct links though. Be patient. I'll provide what I can. At least there's actual reporting being done.

The link to the AV30 Tech sheet is a download, not a website, so that's definitely worth checking out.

 

[Onetrack97]

So everything is downgraded, from the DAC chips, probably the output stages, and the amp board too, look at the back, no gold plated speaker connectors, no copper plate, it looks like denon x4800h / marantz cinema 40 level.

Very bad that they downgraded the components for the 30, and not just stick to the AV10/20 level.
I'm wondering what the value of this range then, if it is "just" the pre of cinema 30 and a 6 channel cut of the amp of cinema 40 in separate boxes.

Definitely cost reduction going on. But as far as the copper layer, you can’t really determine by the photo. It could just have black solder mask or the copper layer could be on another layer.