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Any AV receivers with built in equalizers ?

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I see most of the speaker reviews and most If not all need a little tweaking as far as bumps and dips in there response. Pretty sure Roon is used most of the time. I was jkust wondering If any receivers have the ability to do this as well?
 

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As far as a graphic eq, that's what Denon & Marantz units have, but is separate from using the Audyssey eq. You can manipulate the Audyssey EQ better with their editor app.

Yamahas have a built in parametric eq, somethwat combinable with YPAO as far I've seen, but no experience.

Recent Piononkyo offerings have Dirac Live, but somewhat still intertwined with their AccuEQ/MCACC backgrounds.

Sony I haven't followed, I have an old unit with nothing like room eq or a graphic eq....just tone controls.

Then there are the boutique brands with some other offerings.
 

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Sony has the worst normal EQ. Its +10db Bass & +10db Treble for each section [Ex: Fronts] (Normal EQ not Room Correction). You can't tweak any specific frequencies, that's what the reviewers won't tell you ;) .

For reference, my Sony STR-DN1080 came with a stereo mic. In terms of Sony's Room Correction, Its just called "Auto Calibration". Regardless of setup, you need a subwoofer even if you tell it you have no subwoofer, thanks Sony :facepalm:. The Calibration process is probably the best I ever seen, takes a 1 minute and its accurate. When compared to my fathers Onkyo (Uses mono mic) takes about 5 minutes and its fine for accuracy. After it's done doing it's thing, you choose the "calibration type":
  • Full Flat: Makes the measurement of frequency from each speaker flat.
  • Engineer: Sets to “the Sony listening room standard” frequency characteristics.
  • Front Reference: Adjusts the characteristics of all of the speakers to match the characteristics of the front speaker.
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Just remember when having room correction enabled, your AVR puts the input source through a "Digital Workspace". Every AVR is different but its between 44.1khz to 96khz. That's why my Sony's ""Native DSD"" is disabled if I want room correction. Analog sources might (depending on your equipment) sound better with Room Correction off [Pure Direct Mode] (For example: Outside DAC).
 
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Only reason I was asking is to get my corrections dialed in the same as Amir does when he does his speaker corrections. So this is possible with modern AV receivers ? Also how many frequency bands do they have. I'm guessing here, but I think Roon's is a ten band isn't it ?
 

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Only reason I was asking is to get my corrections dialed in the same as Amir does when he does his speaker corrections. So this is possible with modern AV receivers ? Also how many frequency bands do they have. I'm guessing here, but I think Roon's is a ten band isn't it ?
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So this is possible with modern AV receivers ?
Yes. So what I listed was the built-in room correction software that is included on board most AVRs. This is a mostly automated process that happens after you run through the automated measurement mic process. (Modern AVRs will include a basic measurement mic.) There are some minor manual tweaks you can make (e.g., speaker size, gain levels on individual speakers). @Chrispy listed out various solutions for manual EQ that you do yourself; this is much closer to what Amir does with Roon when he tests speakers.

But make sure you understand what Amir is doing:
  • He's a trained critical listener. His skills at seeing measured FR for a speaker and then tuning by ear are (no offense) going to be far better than what you or I could do.
  • He's running EQ on a single speaker in near-field.
  • He's working in a room where he knows the existing room issues.
If you're looking to integrate a 5.1 or 7.2.2 or whatever system it'll be far easier to start with the automated room correction process. After that you can make manual adjustments if you find the room EQ system missed / miscalibrated something (these apps aren't perfect), or you can make manual adjustments to get to your preferred curve.
 
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Yes my Yamaha does that, its older though so no equalizer, other than Center for dialogue. So a modern Denon would have better capabilities. Say a particular speaker had a bump in the midrange, you could tame it by using the built in equalizer, especially If it was already tested and found a certain setting would tame it a bit.
 

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Yes my Yamaha does that, its older though so no equalizer, other than Center for dialogue. So a modern Denon would have better capabilities. Say a particular speaker had a bump in the midrange, you could tame it by using the built in equalizer, especially If it was already tested and found a certain setting would tame it a bit.
Which model Yamaha are you using?
 
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Hard to believe considering but its a classic the RX-V757, not the same as my older classic the CR-1020 which sadly I don't have anymore.
 

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Not my Yamaha RX-V685. It has YPAO, but if there’s a way to adjust the PEQ manually, I haven’t found it.

But the RX-V line is their cheaper offering, as I understand it.

Rick “YPAO does an acceptable job for me for TV watching” Denney
 

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Use one of these with an amp of your choice, I've even heard they give better results than a miniDSP

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Hard to believe considering but its a classic the RX-V757, not the same as my older classic the CR-1020 which sadly I don't have anymore.
Your manual indicates your avr has both YPAO and PEQ...
 
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I have the manual and the only available eq is for the center channel only. Thats mainly for matching the other speakers and dialogue.
 

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I have the manual and the only available eq is for the center channel only. Thats mainly for matching the other speakers and dialogue.
The page I saw mentioned all channels, didn't dig into it after I saw mention of each channel being affected. I see now there is a GEQ for the center particularly. Perhaps YPAO's use of PEQ is limited to the auto setup only? Didn't seem that way on page 24 where I first looked....
 
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Not particular to equalizers, but since I am talking about equalizing speakers. What would you say the receiver with the best sound is that has Audyssey MultEQ XT32 ?
I've heard its the best version. Is it limited to just high end receivers ?
I saw the great review here of the Denon AVR-X3600H, sadly its an older model and isn't available. Too bad as it was a perfect upgrade and rated well here too !

 

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The Denon X3700 has replaced the 3600, and is the entry level to XT32 and full set of pre-outs in the Denon lineup. Dirac Live enabled avrs, like now being marketed by Onkyo/Pioneer, are said to be better by some, no experience myself.
 
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I had just read in a few reviews the Denon receivers had a warmer sound, but maybe I was mistaken with that. I do know Amir thought that the X-3600 was one of the better AV's he had tested.
 

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I wouldn't bother with a description like "warmer" sound in an avr or even its room eq routine....Denons have tested well here.
 
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