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Anthem AVM70 Review (AV Processor)

Yesterday, I downloaded and installed ARC Genesis version 1.11.3. Afterward, I ran it through all of its paces, including a full 7.1.4 remeasurement and automatic phase adjustment. I didn't encounter a single glitch and am very pleased with the outcome. Just passing this along for other Anthem owners who are unaware of the latest ARC-G release.

I never had issues with the older versions anyway but I do wish it can do a better job (such as at least comparable to Audyssey, in smoothing the deep bass range, and use a lower level for the chirps, say 5 dB lower.

Do you have the update notes/log that list the changes/improvements ? Thanks
 
I never had issues with the older versions anyway but I do wish it can do a better job (such as at least comparable to Audyssey, in smoothing the deep bass range, and use a lower level for the chirps, say 5 dB lower.

Do you have the update notes/log that list the changes/improvements ? Thanks

No mention in the release notes of the improvements you're seeking, but the notes rarely tell the whole tale. OTOH, what's the harm in having a go with it, especially if you've saved a copy of your current config to a file?
 
No mention in the release notes of the improvements you're seeking, but the notes rarely tell the whole tale. OTOH, what's the harm in having a go with it, especially if you've saved a copy of your current config to a file?

I just checked, I have actually been using 1.11.3 for a while already, it is the latest version but not really that new. Again, no issues running it, just couldn't get the better results I was hoping for, and the tone is still way too loud, still feel like wanting to wear ear protection especially when it's doing the phase optimization. So I am still hoping for Anthem to continue their effort in improving the software further.

Correction: I thought I was using 1.11.3, but I didn't, I updated to 1.11.3 but have not actually used it to do a new calibration.
 
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I just checked, I have actually been using 1.11.3 for a while already, it is the latest version but not really that new. Again, no issues running it, just couldn't get the better results I was hoping for, and the tone is still way too loud, still feel like wanting to wear ear protection especially when it's doing the phase optimization. So I am still hoping for Anthem to continue their effort in improving the software further.
You undoubtedly have a better idea of how long this release has been out than I, because I've been very happy with the results obtained with 1.10.5, and hadn't checked for a more recent release since downloading that. Completely missed 1.11.2. :)

Yes, the calibration tones are fairly loud. I decided quite some time ago that wearing earplugs was advisable whenever running ARC-G. I suspect they set the level high to minimize interference with the readings from background noise, but my listening area is fairly quiet at 40ish dBZ (30ish dBA).
 
You undoubtedly have a better idea of how long this release has been out than I, because I've been very happy with the results obtained with 1.10.5, and hadn't checked for a more recent release since downloading that. Completely missed 1.11.2. :)

Yes, the calibration tones are fairly loud. I decided quite some time ago that wearing earplugs was advisable whenever running ARC-G. I suspect they set the level high to minimize interference with the readings from background noise, but my listening area is fairly quiet at 40ish dBZ (30ish dBA).

Thanks
 
I didn't bother trying 1.11.3 after checking the changelog because they is nothing that indicate it would change the result if I keep everything the same. This afternoon, I have spare time and got bored so I finally did the upgrade from 1.9.5 to 1.11.3 and then plot some REW graphs again. To my surprise, the issues I used to have in the deep bass range has gotten noticeable better, not by much but noticeable. I don't know why, so on time permitting basis, I would likely do a new calibration to see if I get results a little more comparable to what I was able to get with Audyssey XT32 using the $20 app. Even at this point, I like such nice surprises.
 
I decided to give it a try, as Anton S said, there's no harm. First trial did show some improvements as follow:

- Slightly smoother deep base.
- Bass Optimization chirps seem not as loud.

Not improved:

- chirps when calibrated still low, average 85 dB
- chirps when checking delays were ridiculously loud, seemed even louder than before, averaged to 87 dB probably peaked to >>90 dB but I guess the RS meter couldn't catch the real peaks. My relatively small but not really that small surround speakers seemed to rattle. I just don't understand why despite so many forum posts mentioned the "too loud" Anthem wouldn't do something about it.
- mic detection sucks, had to disable an Intel driver before it could detect the mic, hopefully they would fixed it via an update, it only has this issue with certain PC, I have 3, only one has this trouble but for those who don't know about it, they could end up wasting a lot of time and get frustrated. A quick Google search first would have found the solution Anthem provided so credit to them for being proactive.

Anyway, since the untweaked results looked promising, almost as good as the tweaked results from my past runs, I am going to do a re calibration and then do some tweaking to see how effective the "tweakability" (sorry about inventing this term, lack of an existing one that I know of) might have become.
 
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Spent a few hours doing a new calibration and did some tweaking, no better results than before but I felt adjustability has become better, a little more predictable. Anthem ARC G has a pretty interface, too bad adjustability is sub par, compared to Audyssey and Dirac apps. It would have been fine if their RC/EQ alogorithm is effective, but it isn't, so results are usually not that great (still much better than nothing though) without manual tweaks post calibration. I would have blame my room being exceptionally difficult if I didn't have much better results with Audyssey and Dirac, same room, set speaker setup, so..., it has to be mainly ARC G vs Audyssey vs Dirac.

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Spent a few hours doing a new calibration and did some tweaking, no better results than before but I felt adjustability has become better, a little more predictable. Anthem ARC G has a pretty interface, too bad adjustability is sub par, compared to Audyssey and Dirac apps. It would have been fine if their RC/EQ alogorithm is effective, but it isn't, so results are usually not that great (still much better than nothing though) without manual tweaks post calibration. I would have blame my room being exceptionally difficult if I didn't have much better results with Audyssey and Dirac, same room, set speaker setup, so..., it has to be mainly ARC G vs Audyssey vs Dirac.

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Has it changed you're opinion much of arc g? And subjectively has it made a difference to you're ears?
 
Has it changed you're opinion much of arc g? And subjectively has it made a difference to you're ears?
Subjectively no change, and I like it better because when I made adjustments, I seemed to get results closer to what I expected. It is too bad they have not improve on the effectiveness and adjustability is very restricted vs Audy and Dirac. The problem is, Anthem users seem to be loyal to a fault, the think ARC G is the best and tend to trust their ears, blind test imo, so in terms of squeaky wheel get the grease, the few of us wanting improvements won’t likely get it.

Overall I still like my AVM70, the only reason to go back to D+M is Dirac Live. That may not happen as Marantz is charging too much premium in Canada.

Did another run, this time 7 positions and the results got a little better. FR is tighter, and channel balance is also tighter.

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Subjectively no change, and I like it better because when I made adjustments, I seemed to get results closer to what I expected. It is too bad they have not improve on the effectiveness and adjustability is very restricted vs Audy and Dirac. The problem is, Anthem users seem to be loyal to a fault, the think ARC G is the best and tend to trust their ears, blind test imo, so in terms of squeaky wheel get the grease, the few of us wanting improvements won’t likely get it.

Overall I still like my AVM70, the only reason to go back to D+M is Dirac Live. That may not happen as Marantz is charging too much premium in Canada.

Did another run, this time 7 positions and the results got a little better. FR is tighter, and channel balance is also tighter.

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What amps are you using? Buckeye?
 
I just ordered an Anthem AVM 70. I had a tough time deciding between AVM 70 and AVM 90. I already have Anthem STR pre+amp for stereo, so decided to save some money and went for the AVM 70. It will be paired to MCA 525 Gen2. I hope I will not regreat the choice of AVM 70...
 
What amps are you using? Buckeye?
Anthem MCA for FL/FR, Marantz MM8003 for the 8 surrounds and heights, and Outlaw M200 for the center. My buckeye NC502NP and VTV Purifi Eeigentakt, replaced the Bryston and Halo A21, are for my stereo systems.
 
I just ordered an Anthem AVM 70. I had a tough time deciding between AVM 70 and AVM 90. I already have Anthem STR pre+amp for stereo, so decided to save some money and went for the AVM 70. It will be paired to MCA 525 Gen2. I hope I will not regreat the choice of AVM 70...
If you don't need 4 discrete subouts, imo the AVM70 is a much better value, there is no way the AVM90 will sound so much better as claimed by many AVSF members.;) I listened to both at the dealer's, if I had heard better SQ from the 90, I would have bought it. The 90 does have the flagship class ESS DAC IC, but the SINAD specs between that one and the 70's is virtually the same only 2 dB difference, but the 90's has higher DNR, that is 138 vs 129 dB. 129 dB DNR is already excellent, 9 dB higher looks good on paper, but not worth spending a lot more just to get it. But then ymmv, as always. I do think you will be happy with the 70.
 
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Subjectively no change, and I like it better because when I made adjustments, I seemed to get results closer to what I expected. It is too bad they have not improve on the effectiveness and adjustability is very restricted vs Audy and Dirac. The problem is, Anthem users seem to be loyal to a fault, the think ARC G is the best and tend to trust their ears, blind test imo, so in terms of squeaky wheel get the grease, the few of us wanting improvements won’t likely get it.

Overall I still like my AVM70, the only reason to go back to D+M is Dirac Live. That may not happen as Marantz is charging too much premium in Canada.

Did another run, this time 7 positions and the results got a little better. FR is tighter, and channel balance is also tighter.

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That graphs looking quite neat actually, i watch the forum in avs and agree on the loyalty lol. Nice to see arcs improved a teeny bit even if its not quite to the level of other rc's.
Have read you're opinions on dirac and others have said if you're prepared to spend time on it then it could be decent, so for me plus the savings I could make over the avm's its a bit more of a consideration.
 
If you don't need 4 discrete subouts, imo the AVM70 is a much better value, there is no way the AVM90 will sound so much better as claimed by many AVSF members.;) I listened to both at the dealer's, if I had heard better SQ from the 90, I would have bought it. The 90 does have the flagship class ESS DAC IC, but the SINAD specs between that one and the 70's is virtually the same only 2 dB difference, but the 90's has higher DNR, that is 138 vs 129 dB. 129 dB DNR is already excellent, 9 dB higher looks good on paper, but not worth spending a lot more just to get it. But then ymmv, as always. I do think you will be happy with the 70.
Thanks for your comments!
That is the thing, I've haven't auditioned neither 70 nor 90. Many on AVSF state the difference is substantial, not only in music, but in movies too. But, the 70 is already 8K in local currency, and the 90 is 5K additional. As I said, I had a tought time deciding, but could not justify another 5K as I already have the STR. My usage is 20% movies/TV, 80% music.
 
Thanks for your comments!
That is the thing, I've haven't auditioned neither 70 nor 90. Many on AVSF state the difference is substantial, not only in music, but in movies too. But, the 70 is already 8K in local currency, and the 90 is 5K additional. As I said, I had a tought time deciding, but could not justify another 5K as I already have the STR. My usage is 20% movies/TV, 80% music.
You are welcome, just sharing my experience as I had to make the same choice. As you mentioned, there are many, far too many on AVSF that claimed the difference is there, some even said the difference was night and day. Some mentioned the often used expression, that is, it is like lifting a veil off the speakers. Some readers will believe such claims as facts while some would not and may even laughed at such...

I think it is human nature, AVSF members who spent $5K more on the 90 would have all the reasons to believe and therefore actually heard the difference (better that is), whereas those who decided, or happened to pick the 70 would be more likely (just more, ..but they may also have buyer remorse) to think they made the right choice, having spent $5K less, and therefore heard there was no difference if and when they had the opportunity to do their AB comparison listening.

It is not possible to know what people would hear if they had done their comparison using controlled methods such as AB switching without longer than say 1 second day, volume matched, and use the same media contents, players, amps etc., let alone doing it blind or even double blind. I do not recall any of those AVSF members mentioned how they did it and non mentioned doing it blind, or even just level matched, quick AB switching. So I had to base my decision on listening in the dealer's demo room and comparing specs and measurements.

My dealer would love it if I traded in my 70 for the 90, but I never felt there as a veil in front of my speakers, I have since replaced my Bryston and Parasound Halo amp as there were no veil feeling in my two channel systems either even when I compared those more expensive amps with a tiny Fosi V3. There is always a possibility that if my hearing is perfect, I might have a different story, but my instinct tells me there is no likely, because I could easily hear better quality when listening the contents of good recording quality, or between the best MP3 and CD quality, so my hearing, while far from perfect, should be able to tell a difference that could be described of lifting a veil off.

Back to the AVSF comments, the only reasons they presented were something like "the 90 not only has the better DAC, but also more advanced audio circuitry, better parts/components...." all marketing info with no evidence. Even if all factual, are we to believe that using 1% or better tolerance resistors, caps etc., = audible better SQ than using 3% tolerances parts? If so, measurements should show the differences, even if such differences were not audible, but reality is, available measurements didn't show such difference either. Now, I must admit, if I had $5,000 that I could spend on, that otherwise I had no other use, then I would go and trade in my 70 for the 90, but that would be the same reasons why I have had, and still have so many unused DACs, preamps, amps etc...

I hope you know that Anthem typically would put on a significant discount on Black Friday, Boxing day kind of events, at least they had done so at least 2 or 3 times a year in the past 3 years. I bought my when it on sale. Also, I would make sure the dealer agreed to let you trade it in for the 90 within so many days. When I traded my in for the 8K (still the 70), I basically lost about $500 within a month. The reason for that trade was not about sound or video quality, it is more about stupidity, emotion etc.
 
You are welcome, just sharing my experience as I had to make the same choice. As you mentioned, there are many, far too many on AVSF that claimed the difference is there, some even said the difference was night and day. Some mentioned the often used expression, that is, it is like lifting a veil off the speakers. Some readers will believe such claims as facts while some would not and may even laughed at such...

I think it is human nature, AVSF members who spent $5K more on the 90 would have all the reasons to believe and therefore actually heard the difference (better that is), whereas those who decided, or happened to pick the 70 would be more likely (just more, ..but they may also have buyer remorse) to think they made the right choice, having spent $5K less, and therefore heard there was no difference if and when they had the opportunity to do their AB comparison listening.

It is not possible to know what people would hear if they had done their comparison using controlled methods such as AB switching without longer than say 1 second day, volume matched, and use the same media contents, players, amps etc., let alone doing it blind or even double blind. I do not recall any of those AVSF members mentioned how they did it and non mentioned doing it blind, or even just level matched, quick AB switching. So I had to base my decision on listening in the dealer's demo room and comparing specs and measurements.

My dealer would love it if I traded in my 70 for the 90, but I never felt there as a veil in front of my speakers, I have since replaced my Bryston and Parasound Halo amp as there were no veil feeling in my two channel systems either even when I compared those more expensive amps with a tiny Fosi V3. There is always a possibility that if my hearing is perfect, I might have a different story, but my instinct tells me there is no likely, because I could easily hear better quality when listening the contents of good recording quality, or between the best MP3 and CD quality, so my hearing, while far from perfect, should be able to tell a difference that could be described of lifting a veil off.

Back to the AVSF comments, the only reasons they presented were something like "the 90 not only has the better DAC, but also more advanced audio circuitry, better parts/components...." all marketing info with no evidence. Even if all factual, are we to believe that using 1% or better tolerance resistors, caps etc., = audible better SQ than using 3% tolerances parts? If so, measurements should show the differences, even if such differences were not audible, but reality is, available measurements didn't show such difference either. Now, I must admit, if I had $5,000 that I could spend on, that otherwise I had no other use, then I would go and trade in my 70 for the 90, but that would be the same reasons why I have had, and still have so many unused DACs, preamps, amps etc...

I hope you know that Anthem typically would put on a significant discount on Black Friday, Boxing day kind of events, at least they had done so at least 2 or 3 times a year in the past 3 years. I bought my when it on sale. Also, I would make sure the dealer agreed to let you trade it in for the 90 within so many days. When I traded my in for the 8K (still the 70), I basically lost about $500 within a month. The reason for that trade was not about sound or video quality, it is more about stupidity, emotion etc.

Thanks a lot, much appreciated! Your comments are comforting.

I am in a small Eastern European country, where there is only one Anthem distributor/dealer. There is no stock of anything, cannot audition. Anything is sold with a down-payment, delivery within a month, sometimes more. No option to return or trade - the sales contract is final.
With that said, had I been prepared to spend 5K more, I would have ordered the 90. But I am not, I can't justify 5K more.

I am coming from a NAD T778 receiver, which I used as a pre-amp with Anthem MCA 525 Gen2 amp.
The reason to upgrade to AVM 70 8K was HDMI 2.1 / HDR10+ support, plus my other gear is already Anthem.
 
Thanks a lot, much appreciated! Your comments are comforting.

I am in a small Eastern European country, where there is only one Anthem distributor/dealer. There is no stock of anything, cannot audition. Anything is sold with a down-payment, delivery within a month, sometimes more. No option to return or trade - the sales contract is final.
With that said, had I been prepared to spend 5K more, I would have ordered the 90. But I am not, I can't justify 5K more.

I am coming from a NAD T778 receiver, which I used as a pre-amp with Anthem MCA 525 Gen2 amp.
The reason to upgrade to AVM 70 8K was HDMI 2.1 / HDR10+ support, plus my other gear is already Anthem.

I understand you can't justify 5K more for the 90, but I don't understand how you can justify the 70 either, if you already have the NAD, that if I am right, it comes with Dirac Live, that would make it sound better than the AVM70 and 90. If Dirac is not use, then the AVM70 is superior, based on specs alone. Mine is 8K, but it really is useless practically speaking. As far as you gear is already Anthem, how is that a factor, other than the look would match?
 
I understand you can't justify 5K more for the 90, but I don't understand how you can justify the 70 either, if you already have the NAD, that if I am right, it comes with Dirac Live, that would make it sound better than the AVM70 and 90. If Dirac is not use, then the AVM70 is superior, based on specs alone. Mine is 8K, but it really is useless practically speaking. As far as you gear is already Anthem, how is that a factor, other than the look would match?

@vddobrev I would agree. A Marantz AV10/20 would give you Dirac Bass Control (Optional paid), Dirac ART (Optional paid), MPEG-H, Auro 3D, DTS:X Pro, CH/VOG option as well as the extra channels and HDMI2.1 offered by the Anthem. Marantz typically have less functional issues too as well as testing slightly better. I dont know how important some of these features are to you but the objectively the Anthem is not offering a huge amount over the NAD.

The other issue with the Anthem at this point is it is very late in the product cycle and I reckon about a year way from replacement.
 
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