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Anthem AVM70 Review (AV Processor)

The 90 is not more transparent than the AV10. The AV10 beats it in pretty much all metrics if you compared the test results here on ASR. The so called upgraded audio is based on marketing info that does not tell us what those so called/claimed better parts are. It is the same thing when Marantz claimed that have a mire musical and/or warm sound. It is all about a strategy, to create some reasons that would enhance the well understood Placebo effects or expectation bias among their fan base.

Marantz at least tell us about their volume ICs and OPA ICs, not just the DAC ICs. Anthem did ustilized a slighly better DAC but the ESS reference class dac in the AV10 is already at the extremely "transparent " level, a whopping 120 dB SINAD, vs Anthem's better IC spec'ed at 122 dB. Yet the AV10 measured a touch better, some would attribute that to implementation, that often may matter as much as or more so than the better IC can do.

As to the MP40, I have not seen comparable measurements, and not sure if Roomperfect would do better than ARCG, Audyssey and Dirac. It is not hard to do better than ARCG though, for use who don't want to spend time on post calibration manual tweaks.

On the objective side, DLBC and Audyssey with the app(s) are really good based on many actual measurements posted on forums, such as those measured with REW. For pure direct mode use, the AVM90 and the AV10 are practically equals. The AVM70 and 90 are more transparent for analog input sources, at least based on specs.

In terms of differences in transparancy between those gear, it is probably academic, because even -85 dB THD should be perceived transparent for humans, especially for those older than 40 who likely cannot hear much above 15 kHz. For those who could hear, may not perceived it as more transparent either.

EDIT: Keep in mind Anthem has been offering about 20% discount a few times a year, at USD 6,000, it becomes a lot more attractive.
Thanks for your feedback, appreciate. Note I never mentioned the 90 was more transparent than the AV10, not sure where you are getting that from. What I stated was the AV10 is a bit risky given the corporate “stability” of the brand these days. Otherwise, as far as transparency, based upon the specs and measurements, I highly doubt anyone could hear the difference between AVM70/90, AV10, or the Lyngdorf. They are all superb performers from a transparency/fidelity standpoint and the choice really comes down to personal preference on the features, ease of use, room correction performance, and budget.

And yup, some retailers now show the AVM90 at $6k, which makes it very tempting. But that is still a lot of cash. Got some thinking to do.
 
For the price (vs Trinnov, Storm, Lyngdorf), is there really any better processor solution than the Anthem 70/90 if one prioritizes high fidelity/transparency (aka, measures well)?

Seems at least as of today it is the best (only) choice. There is also Denon, Marantz, Emotiva, etc, which aren’t terrible (but far from great), but I fear for the future of these brands. Anthem seems quite solid in that aspect.

I would love to have the Lyngdorf MP-40, but too rich for my blood, unless I could find a used unit.
IMO there really isn’t anything priced between HTP-1 and L/S/T that’s of interest. (Sometimes there is blowout pricing on “B-Stock” Arcams that make them interesting, but their equivalent 16-channel AVP is then at a much lower price than HTP-1 as appropriate given the feature mix.) Whether Monoprice will continue to play in this space in the medium term is a fair question though.
 
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IMO there really isn’t anything priced between HTP-1 and L/S/T that’s of interest. (Sometimes there is blowout pricing on “B-Stock” Arcams that make them interesting, but their equivalent 16-channel AVP is then at a much lower price than HTP-1 as appropriate given the feature mix.) Whether Monoprice will continue to play in this space in the medium term is a fair question though.
Thanks for your thoughts. I think you are saying if you can’t afford to play with the “big boys” (L/S/T), just go with the HTP-1?
 
Thanks for your thoughts. I think you are saying if you can’t afford to play with the “big boys” (L/S/T), just go with the HTP-1?

Even if you can but don’t want to…

It’s just a really good device. We have two in current use, one for immersive and one for 2 ch. Honestly if it had built in AirPlay2 built in (so you could control volume directly from Apple Music app and use its loudness compensation) HTP-1 would be perfect for all my use cases - though unfortunately few people have gotten the memo to use DLBC in a 2-channel music system. Maybe CEC and an AppleTV would provide that functionality but I have not tried that.
 
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Thanks for your feedback, appreciate. Note I never mentioned the 90 was more transparent than the AV10, not sure where you are getting that from. What I stated was the AV10 is a bit risky given the corporate “stability” of the brand these days. Otherwise, as far as transparency, based upon the specs and measurements, I highly doubt anyone could hear the difference between AVM70/90, AV10, or the Lyngdorf. They are all superb performers from a transparency/fidelity standpoint and the choice really comes down to personal preference on the features, ease of use, room correction performance, and budget.

And yup, some retailers now show the AVM90 at $6k, which makes it very tempting. But that is still a lot of cash. Got some thinking to do.
I did not say you said that, but I wanted to make the point that on the objective side the AVM90, despite having an ex flagship ESS dac ic, did not measure anywhere near to the potential of that chip and actually measured not as good as other gear that use the non reference class ESS dac chips. Many users seem to think it sounds audibly much better than the 70 but all those claims were based on xyzx;(&@blablabla…I guess you probably know my feeling on that already.

Regardless, good to know you agreed at $6,000, the 90 is very tempting. I find it tempting too but I have no use for a second unit now, and for my 2 channel setups, I only use separate components, AVPs to me are just avrs without power amps. I use separates not for audibly better sq, but for nearer SOTA specs and measurements, that’s just being ocd so I don’t expect others to do the same.

By the way, if you look carefully on the innards of the AV10 or even the C30, they really paid attention to build quality, no that don’t make them “sound better”, but imo make them double duty as near audio jewelry class audio devices. I like the AVMs and really like their outside look, but there isn’t much to see inside, in fact I am not impressed with the cheap fan, no idea why they would do that ti spoil the fun.
 
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Even if you can but don’t want to…

It’s just a really good device. We have two in current use, one for immersive and one for 2 ch. Honestly if it had built in AirPlay2 built in (so you could control volume directly from Apple Music app and use its loudness compensation) HTP-1 would be perfect for all my use cases - though unfortunately few people have gotten the memo to use DLBC in a 2-channel music system. Maybe CEC and an AppleTV would provide that functionality but I have not tried that.
You definitely threw a wrench in my spokes … was about to commit on the AVM70, now I am going down the rabbit hole. Just finished reading EVERY post of the very long HTP1 review thread …
Thread 'Monoprice HTP-1 Home Theater Processor Review'
https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...ce-htp-1-home-theater-processor-review.11416/

Wow, that was quite the thread. I had actually read Amir’s original review and because of the headless panther, fully dismissed the product. Really happy I took the time to read the entire thread. My conclusion is the HTP1 looks to be a serious contender and was treated a bit unfairly in the review. Not sure why, especially compared to the very favorable reviews of the follow on Anthems, Trinnov, Storm, Marantz, and Lyngdorf. Compared to which the HTP1 is solid, and at a lower price point. I wonder why the original HTP1 review not redone or at least updated.

Anyway, moving on … was Dirac ART ever released on the HTP? Will there be an HTP2? Is it truly Roon ready and can it act as a Roon end point? Looks like the HTP1 is available on Monoprice, though at full retail, no discounts. Seriously considering going this route now.
 
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I did not say you said that, but I wanted to make the point that on the objective side the AVM90, despite having an ex flagship ESS dac ic, did not measure anywhere near to the potential of that chip and actually measured not as good as other gear that use the non reference class ESS dac chips. Many users seem to think it sounds audibly much better than the 70 but all those claims were based on xyzx;(&@blablabla…I guess you probably know my feeling on that already.

Regardless, good to know you agreed at $6,000, the 90 is very tempting. I find it tempting too but I have no use for a second unit now, and for my 2 channel setups, I only use separate components, AVPs to me are just avrs without power amps. I use separates not for audibly better sq, but for nearer SOTA specs and measurements, that’s just being ocd so I don’t expect others to do the same.

By the way, if you look carefully on the innards of the AV10 or even the C30, they really paid attention to build quality, no that don’t make them “sound better”, but imo make them double duty as near audio jewelry class audio devices. I like the AVMs and really like their outside look, but there isn’t much to see inside, in fact I am not impressed with the cheap fan, no idea why they would do that ti spoil the fun.
AV10 is well made, no doubt, but I have no desire to pay for jewelry that adds no discernible audio benefit, money down the garbage can. But yes, it looks pretty :)

Now turning my attention to an AVP had was not even considering prior thanks to @jhaider … the HTP1
 
AV10 is well made, no doubt, but I have no desire to pay for jewelry that adds no discernible audio benefit, money down the garbage can. But yes, it looks pretty :)

Now turning my attention to an AVP had was not even considering prior thanks to @jhaider … the HTP1
I understand, I am not interested in those things either but I know many do. The HTP1 comes with Dirac Live but not clear if it includes BC. Not a big deal if not, as DL now offers 20% discount often enough for that license. Having compare DLBC with ARC G, I am 100% comfortable to say I much prefer DLBC, based on measurements. Subjectively it is harder to say though I have read about enough Anthem users wanting more bass, and on AVSF, one of their residential ARC G expert member apparently has done tweaks on thousands of ARC G files, likely all about tweaking for better bass response/performance.
 
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Anyway, moving on … was Dirac ART ever released on the HTP? Will there be an HTP2? Is it truly Roon ready and can it act as a Roon end point? Looks like the HTP1 is available on Monoprice, though at full retail, no discounts. Seriously considering going this route now.

I’m pretty sure HTP-1 was the first AVP reviewed here. That may explain why the review is kind of besides the point…

As for your questions:
ART - really hope so but unknown. Alpha testing has been conducted.
HTP-2 - Hobie has said no in the past, but plans can always change.
Roon - don’t use it; no idea
Discounts - sometimes there are B-Stock sold through Monoprice. Availability of new units generally was spotty for a long time (maybe pandemic related) but seems to be sorted now. Considering how stupid pricing had gotten in this segment (look at Marantz for example - for their price just move up to the top-tier!!) $4k looks pretty reasonable.
 
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There is a cult like following of the HTP-1, but an HTP-2 is unlikely IMO.
Consider the HTP-1 does not have an OSD (on screen display) which many of us deem essential…..
Happy New Year!
(I am a happy AVM90 owner)
 
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Consider the HTP-1 does not have an OSD (on screen display) which many of us deem essential…..

I’m curious, why? I thought it was important too, but when I reviewed Bryston’s SP-4 (Storm mk I) I realized that no OSD didn’t degrade the experience at all. Knowing the exact number on the volume dial is just not that important in the end. And anything else, bookmark the webUI and you can see it faster than scrolling through menus.
 
I’m curious, why? I thought it was important too, but when I reviewed Bryston’s SP-4 (Storm mk I) I realized that no OSD didn’t degrade the experience at all. Knowing the exact number on the volume dial is just not that important in the end. And anything else, bookmark the webUI and you can see it faster than scrolling through menus.
Agree, I have no issue with lack of OSD. However, it does have a screen that shows some info, including volume setting. So not sure I understand you comment about exact number on volume dial?

By the way, does the HTP have a true analog pass through? I would plan to have an isolated 2ch setup, be nice to use the XLR switching of prepro to avoid a separate XLR switch box.
 
In my HT, I cannot see the AVM front panel display:
I depend on the OSD to see volume levels/audio codec settings, etc
 
Agree, I have no issue with lack of OSD. However, it does have a screen that shows some info, including volume setting. So not sure I understand you comment about exact number on volume dial?
Doesn’t help if the unit is not in line of sight. But ultimately I’ve at least found that it does not matter. It’s just a number. I also listen to music and not gear, so information about “codec” or whatever…never gave two shits even when I did see it.

By the way, does the HTP have a true analog pass through?
Thankfully, no. You cannot disable everything good in it.
 
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Doesn’t help if the unit is not in line of sight. But ultimately I’ve at least found that it does not matter. It’s just a number. I also listen to music and not gear, so information about “codec” or whatever…never gave two shits even when I did see it.


Thankfully, no. You cannot disable everything good in it.
Sure, just a number, but I calibrate volume settings to SPL to protect my hearing (protect me from myself basically) … not exact, but it works … so for me I like to be able to see it, which I can on the HTP

As to your comment on analog pass through, reasonable of course. I assume you use the HTP for 2ch and MCH (no separate DAC, preamp, etc)? And can you please elaborate on exactly what “good” you would be disabling in the HTP if not using for 2ch? The room EQ? Sub mgmt? DSP effects/upmixing? Etc…
 
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Sure, just a number, but I calibrate volume settings to SPL to protect my hearing (protect me from myself basically) … not exact, but it works … so for me I like to be able to see it, which I can on the HTP

As to your comment on analog pass through, reasonable of course. I assume you use the HTP for 2ch and MCH (no separate DAC, preamp, etc)? And can you please elaborate on exactly what “good” you would be disabling in the HTP if not using for 2ch? The room EQ? Sub mgmt? DSP effects/upmixing? Etc…
I would like to know too but pretty sure it’s about dsp, such as room correction, eq, etc.

I have plenty of dacs, preamp etc., used to think analog bypass is a good feature but learnt my lesson after spending on things that ended up just taking up space while gathering dust. Occasionally I would still listen to those things just because they are there but it has been ages since I listen without DL on.

Ultimately, if distortions are so low as even just -85 dB is not distinguisable with -105 dB. That’s why I won’t bother debating with those who claimed the AVM90 sounds so much better than their 70’s when listening to 2 channel music, I would just smile, remind myself that I saved $4000 that I spent on other toys. RC effects are clearly audible to me than comparing a cheap avr and my separate gear!!
 
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Sure, just a number, but I calibrate volume settings to SPL to protect my hearing (protect me from myself basically) … not exact, but it works … so for me I like to be able to see it, which I can on the HTP
You can also see on the webUI on your phone - either the stock one or the (IMO better - mostly because PEQ setup is awkward on the stock one) “Pink Soda” UI that’s also built in.
As to your comment on analog pass through, reasonable of course. I assume you use the HTP for 2ch and MCH (no separate DAC, preamp, etc)? And can you please elaborate on exactly what “good” you would be disabling in the HTP if not using for 2ch? The room EQ? Sub mgmt? DSP effects/upmixing? Etc…

I use one in an immersive setup (7.1.4 with three subs) and one in a 2.1 (5 subs) setup. The answer is all of the above, plus PEQ, plus loudness compensation. 2.0 with no room correction or loudness comp is IMO lo-fi and not worthy of an expensive device.
 
I would like to know too but pretty sure it’s about dsp, such as room correction, eq, etc.

I have plenty of dacs, preamp etc., used to think analog bypass is a good feature but learnt my lesson after spending on things that ended up just taking up space while gathering dust. Occasionally I would still listen to those things just because they are there but it has been ages since I listen without DL on.

Ultimately, if distortions are so low as even just -85 dB is not distinguisable with -105 dB. That’s why I won’t bother debating with those who claimed the AVM90 sounds so much better than their 70’s when listening to 2 channel music, I would just smile, remind myself that I saved $4000 that I spent on other toys. RC effects are clearly audible to me than comparing a cheap avr and my separate gear!!
Funny you mention 90 vs 70 and convincing others of inaudible differences. Saw your posts on Audioholics forum. There is no way these people heard a difference between 70 and 90 based upon measurements. Something else going on there, not related to transparency, distortion, etc. 90 and 70 should sound identical taking any RC or other DSP effects out of the picture, which they claimed was done. Don’t believe it for a second. My guess is they weren’t level matched. Anyway, moving on … you and @jhaider have convinced me I really don’t need separate 2ch system. Anthem 70/90, Marantz AVM10, and HTP1 all fully transparent in this aspect. Everything else is SINAD chasing. As I prefer Dirac due to very good multi sub management, most likely will go with the HTP1 (plus save some serious cash vs 90 and AVM10). Thanks again for your great inputs.
 
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