Andrew Jones’s new speaker brand - Jones and Cerreta

[Richard G]

We still don't have a perfect grasp of "measures perfectly", though.

Much more so than any other part of a system we are a way off having a perfect speaker

 

[RickS]

Nevertheless, they are members.
Of course, one could then start distinguishing between whether they are “true” or “false” members, with the “right” or “wrong” philosophy.
I think that if you apply this to countries (true and false Americans) or religions, you can see pretty quickly where that leads.

I can, and suggest all avoid the off topic, potentially political aspects posts that seem to have taken hold here recently. Thanks!

 

[Paul7777x]

We don't yet know who cares. The market for the speaker is fuzzy. It is being sold on technical grounds. That would cater to us but without measurements as I keep saying, it is not an effective campaign. And as I explained, it is a tweener in not being cheap, nor expensive enough. This is by the way why Revel Salon 2s were never taken seriously by the high-end crowd. At $25K it was just too cheap. It was barely expensive enough to not be ridiculed but wasn't a serious offer due to its "low cost."

I think the easier sell is to non-enthusiasts who are wealthy and want a smaller speaker in a study, bedroom, etc. and buy what the dealer recommends. It also do well in Hong Hong/China if it had good distribution/marketing.

All good points naturally. Especially the Far East market thing. I’d expect the majority of sales will end up there.

It’s a big market for ‘Ye Olde Worlde’ type speakers.

The ‘BBC’ type speakers, often termed pipe and slippers, have a huge market in china and the rest of the far east.

Both Spendors and Harbeths biggest markets are there. Along with, I’ve no doubt plenty of other similar types; the big ancient looking Tannoys too I seem to recall.

What I’ve never seen, could easily be wrong of course, is a clamour from the TT and Tube guys for third party, accurate measurements.

Quite the reverse I’d guess.

And I’m convinced quite easily that these fellows are going to be the massive majority of buyers.

I’m also at least two thirds convinced that not only do they not care about measurements, but are actively hostile to them.

It’s the reason there are still so many ridiculous, verbose and actually useless subjective ‘reviews’.

As I mentioned earlier, I do very much hope you or Erin do get a pair. I’d really love to see what they can do.

 

[Paul7777x]

… incidentally, much to my MASSIVE astonishment, I’m starting to like the look of the things.

I’m popeyed amazed at that.

I do hope I don’t have to buy slippers and a cardigan.

Obviously I’d still re-spray them black.

Timber is for great grandma.

 

[Jim Taylor]

I’m also at least two thirds convinced that not only do they not care about measurements, but are actively hostile to them.

Bingo!

 

[Sokel]

… incidentally, much to my MASSIVE astonishment, I’m starting to like the look of the things.

I’m popeyed amazed at that.

I do hope I don’t have to buy slippers and a cardigan.

Obviously I’d still re-spray them black.

Timber is for great grandma.

Yep.
A black version (Rockport Ankaa matte kind of black) should be obligatory for all gear and neglecting it should be punishable by law

(I can think of a room with an antique feeling though, with these and my 1913 gramophone as main pieces, their finish is close, gram has some cherry wood though too )

 

[Paul7777x]

Yep.
A black version (Rockport Ankaa matte kind of black) should be obligatory for all gear and neglecting it should be punishable by law

(I can think of a room with an antique feeling though, with these and my 1913 gramophone as main pieces, their finish is close, gram has some cherry wood though too )

I’d not heard of Rockport before.

The Ankaa’s are my kind of speaker.

Black and monolithic floorstanders. All speakers should be similar.

 

[Sokel]

I’d not heard of Rockport before.

The Ankaa’s are my kind of speaker.

Black and monolithic floorstanders. All speakers should be similar.

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The time they were on the market, up close they had the same premium feeling as the older Sonus Faber but for their own reasons, they were just impeccable.

Decently priced too for 100 kilos/each speakers back then.

 

[Frank Dernie]

Yep.
A black version (Rockport Ankaa matte kind of black) should be obligatory for all gear and neglecting it should be punishable by law

(I can think of a room with an antique feeling though, with these and my 1913 gramophone as main pieces, their finish is close, gram has some cherry wood though too )

Bored rigid by anything black, personally - rammed down our throats as fashionable for over 50 years now it bores me

 

[Sokel]

Bored rigid by anything black, personally - rammed down our throats as fashionable for over 50 years now it bores me

Depends on the use I guess.
Dim the lights a little and it's easier to make them disappear for late night listening, that adds to the experience for me.

For the ones of the thread, they make sense by the overall style and feeling.
Destined for tubes and such, it's not only the tech that matches, it's the looks as well.

I suspect some Italian designing fox got its fingers at the design, it's too much of a coincidence to swallow.

 

[JohnSnow]

Depends on the use I guess.
Dim the lights a little and it's easier to make them disappear for late night listening, that adds to the experience for me.

For the ones of the thread, they make sense by the overall style and feeling.
Destined for tubes and such, it's not only the tech that matches, it's the looks as well.

I suspect some Italian designing fox got its fingers at the design, it's too much of a coincidence to swallow.

Way back when, ~20 years ago now, I had a Sound Valves VTA-70i tube amplifier. The light blue LEDs and the warm glow from the six tubes, while listening in pitch blackness, was a very enjoyable experience. Some nostalgia there, I must admit.

 

[Marin]

There are probably more competing legitimate considerations than these. Which ones matter the most, perceptually? How should they be prioritized? Well, it might not be obvious (even to Andrew Jones!) what the theoretical best crossover frequency between midrange and woofers would be.

Well I think Andrew know where to cross bottom woofers and middle in 3-way configuration and he is also confident in his choice because he has always done so in any configuration (concentric, regular 3-way).
I own an Elac debut tower, first generation, one of the first designed for Elac.
It is crossed at 100Hertz, all drivers are the same construction and are 6 inches long...
Second generation is crossed even lower at 90 herz...
More expensive models are also crossed at 100 hertz and all have ports for both the woofer section and the midrange which gives that extra punch at 100 hertz.
I think these are great for the beginning serious audiophile as well as the seasoned veteran audiophiles who have had their dose of snake oil , because you can very finely tune the lower octave by carefully choosing the distance between the back wall and the speaker.
Sourcepoint V10 master edition is crossed at 170 hertz also.
It seems that he pays attention to these details and does not want to introduce any bad crossover characteristics into that sensitive frequency range where male voices and all the fundamental tones of classical instruments begin.

 

[Marin]

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Interesting take.

In regards to speaker companies not lasting , at one point, I felt like I was the kiss of death to speaker companies.

Back when I was doing some reviews, but also auditioning speakers from my own purposes I had a real string of bad luck for about 2 years.

Bought Von Schweikert speakers, and shortly after the company almost went under due to some sort of flood in the factory (but they got out of it eventually).

Next, I tried Meadowlark speakers…. they went out of business around the time I was auditing them in my home.

Next, I reviewed Waveform speakers. They closed down that year.

Next I reviewed Hales speakers… the company went under during the review.

I hung it up before I cursed any other companies


Well, almost,

A couple years ago I had an expensive remote control custom-made by a polish custom audio company, who had shown a lot of their gear at the Warsaw audio show.
The remote took many months of back-and-forth in terms of communication and the design work and programming. Terrific company to work with. But right after they finally delivered my working remote, they disappeared off the face of the Earth. Website gone, no more email communication.

I’m glad I at least got a great remote out of it before they went under.

That’s said I’ve never had anything go wrong with a loudspeaker that I’ve owned and I’ve owned many. I did however get spare drivers for my Thiel 2.7s since they were proprietary and Thiel had folded shortly before I bought those speakers. (darn I hope I didn’t curse them as well!)

It's interesting how many companies have closed or gone bankrupt or whatever.
What do you think is the cause of this?
When I just remember how as a teenager I fantasized about Jamo speakers that were one of the best at that time... and now I can't believe the kind of speakers they make.

 

[Marin]

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I don't know I don't like the idea of heat inside the speaker because of the power supply
Obviously I'm sure he designed it with that in mind and came up with a solution.

Yes, those are four ports or chimneys if you turn it up a little louder.

 

[levimax]

It's interesting how many companies have closed or gone bankrupt or whatever.
What do you think is the cause of this?

Any business which can be thought of as "fun" attracts "lifestyle enthusiasts" to enter into it. These people are motivated by more that just making a profit and when they go up against experienced and seasoned business that know what it takes to survive they more often than not fail.

 

[Marin]

There are 2 speakers that measure almost perfectly but sound different to me (I'd rather not say which)
So my final decision will be taken by my ears and not the measurements
I believe that most people will act like me.

Now you've really intrigued me.
Come on, tell as,which speakers are so good and yet not so perfect?

 

[Flaesh]

The most remarkable statement in that AN blurb from Stereophile, to me, is "It is the only Level 6 Audio Note speaker."
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

If there are several models of level 5 and lower, and several models of, for example, level 7-8, this is strange, not enough, insufficient and unfairly limits the choice at level 6.

 

[Flaesh]

I saw DSOTM performed live in 1973. Still listen to it from time to time, but not real often. When I put on Billie Eilish my friends go WTF until they actually listen. I do have to say that my tastes have shifted to more mellow stuff, but it still needs to be creative and have a soul to it (whatever that means).

I'm a bit younger and listen to my childhood music even less often. I also doubt I'll live long enough to listen to BE more than once a year or a few years.
Have you tried playing just DSO* for your friends, without TM? I'd be truly delighted if they enjoyed it and thanked you!

*Google doesn't search for DSO very well. Obviously, Deathspell Omega was implied

 

[Flaesh]

There are 2 speakers that measure almost perfectly but sound different to me (I'd rather not say which)

It's still interesting which two speakers exactly!))

 

[Avp1]

I'm a bit younger and listen to my childhood music even less often. I also doubt I'll live long enough to listen to BE more than once a year or a few years.
Have you tried playing just DSO* for your friends, without TM? I'd be truly delighted if they enjoyed it and thanked you!

*Google doesn't search for DSO very well. Obviously, Deathspell Omega was implied

For me DSO is for Dallas Symphony Orchestra. I can at least calibrate my ears by hearing their live performance.