Pearljam5000
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So what are the benefits of a field coil driver
A stronger magnetic field?
A stronger magnetic field?
Stronger magnetic field, more uniform magnetic field, adjustable magnetic field (combinded with computer control of the power supply could be very interesting, not sure if anyone is doing anything like that).So what are the benefits of a field coil driver
A stronger magnetic field?
Supposedly it's the first field coil coaxialStronger magnetic field, more uniform magnetic field, adjustable magnetic field (combinded with computer control of the power supply could be very interesting, not sure if anyone is doing anything like that).
Beloved of the audiophile set.So what are the benefits of a field coil driver
A stronger magnetic field?
Current price of copper is $17.03 per Kg, current price of Neodymium is $227.00 per Kg. Maybe with cheap switching power supplies that can adjust the magnetic field is it time for a field coil renaissance, a lot more science behind it than the vinyl renaissance.From my almost nonexistent experience, the copper for the coil costs a good bit more than a neodymium magnet, and way more than a ceramic magnet. A field coil also requires more steel in the magnetic circuit. Then there's the cost of the power supply (not so bad now vs decades ago).
Andrew is not a fan of measurements. So I doubt that he will offer any for this use. We will have to wait for a customer to send them in. Which at this cost, is not likely.As Jones is usually solid about his choices, I'm really curious to see this measured
Have you seen the state of the world lately?My assumption would be, that it this is rather not the case with any future buyer or anyone being potentially interested in such product.
Don´t quite understand why every new product has to be judged from the ´value-for-money´ perspective as if it is aiming at Best Buy customers. This rather looks like a ´cost no object´ project to me, like one of the most recognized speaker designers has simply built what he had always been dreaming of. One might decry the resulting price tag, but last time AJ has done something similar with a Beryllium coaxial for TAD Labs, it turned out to be amazing. So I am giving him credit here, very curios to hear this loudspeaker in future.
They did send Erin one on their own (though, Mofi, as a company, so not sure about Jones as an individual) .Andrew is not a fan of measurements. So I doubt that he will offer any for this use. We will have to wait for a customer to send them in. Which at this cost, is not likely.
Given the above, I think the measurements will not be perfect.
That's the one side.Have you seen the state of the world lately?
I went to NAMM. They are real and they are that large. They are a non-functioning mockup though. I don’t believe they have done much development into it as they didn’t know if it was a coaxial compression driver yet or if it was a standard driver.View attachment 520018
This looks like AI.
The proportions and perspective look all wrong to me!
If real, looks like it will play quite loud!
For a given gap flux, one needs much less Nd than copper by mass.Current price of copper is $17.03 per Kg, current price of Neodymium is $227.00 per Kg.
According to my AI friend Claude the copper coil is much cheaper than a Nd magnet. The added costs are for a power supply and the current handmade nature of these drivers. My point is if these drivers were mass produced the price could be much more competitive and they may have real world performance advantages.For a given gap flux, one needs much less Nd than copper by mass.
When a company offers big speakers for review, they usually help with shipping and even setup. In those types of magazines, they are almost assured a positive review. That costs much less than buying the same amount of ad space so the ROI works out. For us, we can't offer such an assurance so companies are much less likely to do that.I always wondered about how Stereophile manages to deal with speakers way bigger than that.
You only asked about raw material. A coil has is much more expensive than just raw copper. Being lazy as wellAccording to my AI friend Claude the copper coil is much cheaper than a Nd magnet.
| Factor | Neodymium magnet | Field coil |
|---|---|---|
| Material efficiency | Extremely high | Poor (needs lots of copper) |
| Size | Compact | Bulky |
| Manufacturing | Simple | Complex winding |
| Cost for same B | Lower | Higher |
Million is a not that much nowadays. And common and sane low digit millionaires will not buy $50K speakers. Try cutting it by 100$ or more and the number will drop significantly. As that is what wealth distribution is nowadays.That's the one side.
There about 60 million millionaires in the world right now, with the prediction to be 86 million for 2027-2028.
Plenty of room.
Interesting that the 2 AI's think differently about the value of the advantage of a more uniform magnetic field, a field coil is inherently more linear but maybe not material? The adjustable BL could be interesting I think. Claude sums it up reasonably as far as I can tell:Seems like the benefit is what I have highlighted above in red. Instead of getting a fixed performance driver, you get to mess around with the field strength to optimize the design.
OK. My comment was based on simulations of woofer motors I did a few years ago using FEMM (including some basic thermal sims). When calculating the basic material cost (in small qty), I found that the wire for the field coil version cost more than the magnet for the Nd version.According to my AI friend Claude the copper coil is much cheaper than a Nd magnet.
Also, no reason aluminum wire couldn't be used.According to my AI friend Claude the copper coil is much cheaper than a Nd magnet. The added costs are for a power supply and the current handmade nature of these drivers. My point is if these drivers were mass produced the price could be much more competitive and they may have real world performance advantages.
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The very original version of Altec's Duplex coaxial, the unsuffixed 601, used field coils.Supposedly it's the first field coil coaxial
Could be, but for all we know, Claude mightn't know if his trailing digit was on fire....Interesting that the 2 AI's think differently about the value of the advantage of a more uniform magnetic field,.... Claude sums it up reasonably as far as I can tell: