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Andrew Jones’s new speaker brand - Jones and Cerreta

It's you have to ask ... can't... afford...it
 
Mort said:
It's you have to ask ... can't... afford...it
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I don't think that old expression applies anymore. It's not about affording it per se, it's about justifying it to myself. That's subjective, but I know where I feel value for $ exists, and what seems paying for other things unrelated to the audio.
 
WillBrink said:
Details on field coil design. Seems to me it's quasi active design. Is it for added cool factor or something measurable as to benefits? I don't know, above my pay grade. It appears they are really targeting the low watt analog older "vintage" crowed. Almost makes me wanna try tubes :)

Looks wise, 10/10 for me. If they sound as good as they look, and they are a good value for $ as his other designs have been, sign me up! They scream "end game speaker" to me, unless they are priced into silly land. Do we know the expected MSRP?

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Ok, so I’m probably getting sucked into their soft-marketing, but I buy into their story, which is “we all met and decided to do something we think is cool, and can be really good/great.” These guys are no dummies. They know they are chasing a passion, and hope they can make money doing it. Good on them.

I really don’t care if it’s targeted at the tube market. It’s a reasonable size market, and I doubt there is a product out there aimed at that market that can do what they lead you to believe their product can do.

The price? Don’t really care about that either. There’s plenty of speakers in the market for folks that use solid state/digital hardware on which I can’t/won’t spend the money. Bottom line for me, it looks cool, the design is intriguing, and I expect it will be at a minimum very good at what it does. Getting it on a Klippel will be a challenge though.
 
NTK said:
Not much of a problem for Magico testing their similarly heavy M2 (165 lbs). May be a problem for Amir though.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=609534989795383
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They also measuresd the M9 that weights
1,000 lbs
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Indydan said:
If the guy is so good, why is he always changing jobs? You would think a company would give him a fat contract for a long duration, if he were the God of speaker design many claim he is.
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1000% speculation, but my guess is he is at the very tippy top of speaker designers pay scale. Seems like a nice guy I have no allegiance one way or the other

I heard these speakers will be 33k. In my 30+ years of being an audio enthusiast, I think I have only met fellow enthusiast that shops in this price bracket.
 
WillBrink said:
They scream "end game speaker" to me, unless they are priced into silly land.
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I guess it all depends on one's definition of silly land. It seems like some of our fellow ASR members think spending $2,500 a pair is silly land.
 
mglobe said:
I don't think Amir nor Erin have a crane handy. Erin's young and in decent shape, but he'd still need help.
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Erin Hardison has reviewed Andrew Jones" MoFi Sourcepoint v10 Master Edition floorstanding loudspeakers, and that effort included some outdoor measurements taken with the v10 on a stand. Those v10 weigh 160_lb each.
 
thewas said:
That is common audiophile misconception like that for example light membranes correspond more linearly at lower volumes or first tube amp is more dynamic but in the end it is physical laws like Newton's second and linearity measurements of very different tsp parameter drivers never showed such deviations, so it's like for most audio stuff mainly the frequency response tuning plus some parts placebo/expectation due to not doing controlled testing.
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Thanks. I was not making any claims either way on the issue, which is why I was asking.

Though as I noted earlier it seems the current because I have in my system start to sound dynamic starting at a certain volume, as I wondered whether this was due to any particular design differences in loudspeakers, or whether it was possibly changing perception of frequency response with lower versus higher volumes. And if this would be the same for every single loudspeaker.

thewas said:
As in the video the target buyers are low wattage tube owners which have usually also too low output impedance outputs which change the frequency response on every loudspeaker differently due to the different impedance curves so they can play all day randomly combining loudspeakers and amps.
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Hey! I resemble that comment! :-)
 
mglobe said:
Ok, so I’m probably getting sucked into their soft-marketing, but I buy into their story, which is “we all met and decided to do something we think is cool, and can be really good/great.” These guys are no dummies. They know they are chasing a passion, and hope they can make money doing it. Good on them.

I really don’t care if it’s targeted at the tube market. It’s a reasonable size market, and I doubt there is a product out there aimed at that market that can do what they lead you to believe their product can do.

The price? Don’t really care about that either. There’s plenty of speakers in the market for folks that use solid state/digital hardware on which I can’t/won’t spend the money. Bottom line for me, it looks cool, the design is intriguing, and I expect it will be at a minimum very good at what it does. Getting it on a Klippel will be a challenge though.
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Same.

This is not a speaker that I would ever be able to afford, even if I wanted it or had the space for it. But it’s fun to see these guys doing this project, and the kind of cool speaker that emerges.

I also like somewhat bespoke or niche audio gear. It can kind of add to the experience.

Tangentially related: my dad was a jazz musician (sax, trumpet, other instruments) before he became a music teacher.
When I was young, he used to come home from gigs on the weekend having stopped off at some place for local Chinese food or fish and chips or whatever. When I was in bed as a kid, and I heard him come home those nights. I would always get out of bed and go down to the kitchen so I could share some of the meal with him. Great memories.

And memories like that for me attached to even things like the type of music I enjoy.
For instance, I have a fondness for 70’s era jazzy/fusiony bands with horn sections. (As opposed to the “horns” in the 80s when horn sections started being replaced with synthesizer samples.).

When I’m listening to that music I’m not only enjoying the horn sections I’m sometimes occasionally imagine the musicians playing those horns… thinking about what they might’ve done during breaks in the recording…. Stepped out to the local bar for a drink for a moment?… thinking about what they would do on their way home after playing the recording gig (stop off and get some food to eat with their own kids?).

For me these type of extra-musical associations can enrich my listening experience.

Owning a piece of gear that is sort of different or off the beaten path or niche or not produced in large numbers, can make it feel a bit more special.

Like anyone else I could buy from any of the huge companies like KEF or whatever.
But owning a loudspeaker (or amp) that was designed likely through one person’s passion, blood and sweat, your purchase making a real contribution to keeping this guy’s dream alive and his company going, just imagining him having to slog his gear from show to show, etc. Part of the human element, part of the charm.

In a similar way, if I had the money and space I’d be tempted to try out these new AJ speakers. Even if they don’t perform to some perfect ASR ideal, I do like the idea of owning a limited number highly finished loudspeaker that represents a passion project of a highly regarded loudspeaker designer.

(Similar “added value” factors to gear I’m sure is also there for those who DIY speakers or amps )

I get that other people may have a much more matter of fact, practical and utilitarian approach in what they enjoy in their gear.
 
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They might end up being $34K or $49K or more, they might even be worth the money... but I'm simply not in an income bracket where that would be a reasonable use of funds. It's not like I'm broke, but I'm also not wildly irresponsible with my money, only a little irresponsible.

The vast majority of folks aren't in a position to even vaguely consider speakers in the 5-figure range. I don't begrudge AJ a dime and it's nice that he's also worked on good speakers at reasonable prices. I guess this one is way off my radar screen until they come up used for $8K in 10 years, though.
 
kemmler3D said:
They might end up being $34K or $49K or more, they might even be worth the money... but I'm simply not in an income bracket where that would be a reasonable use of funds. It's not like I'm broke, but I'm also not wildly irresponsible with my money, only a little irresponsible.

The vast majority of folks aren't in a position to even vaguely consider speakers in the 5-figure range. I don't begrudge AJ a dime and it's nice that he's also worked on good speakers at reasonable prices. I guess this one is way off my radar screen until they come up used for $8K in 10 years, though.
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If these are successful and create a good buzz I am sure there will be more affordable models released later.
 
kemmler3D said:
They might end up being $34K or $49K or more
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A report from somebody who attended the show including listening to AJ’s Troubadour speakers says the quoted price was:

$33,900

Only read a couple of comments from people who heard it, both very positive, one saying best of show so far.
 
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