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And Amir locks another thread because he cannot entertain any other opinion than his own....

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LuckyLyndy said:
It seems like making a mountain out of a molehill.
I enjoy Restorer John's comments on audio. I stay away from other hot topics.
I'm sitting by my front door, waiting for my el cheapo KEF Q150 speakers. I'm so bored I watched a YouTube video of a Russian guy taking a power saw to the speaker cabinet to show how poor the construction is.
I take the wisdom of the recently departed musician, Michael Hurley...
My old lady says, "Gimme that wine."
I said, "Honey, quit drinking sometime."
She said, "Snock, it's not my fault!
Had to eat my porkchop without no salt."
She run up the hill, she cried and cried
I run down the other side


Have a great weekend, ASR members...
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I've seen Michael Hurley perform regularly in a little bar filled with friends because he lived in the region and was friends of friends. He had wisdom of age and school of life. Blues and folk have a lot of stories of life for all. Sure there are Internet online life blues and pop laments out there. Someone should collect a list.
 
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Of course the discussion of tariffs is all around ... and discussing it here, in a technical forum, will change the direction to ..."Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election three months ago? Are you...
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Hit a nerve did I? Excellent!

Leverage? Do you know what that means? And how am I "enforcing" power over you? Really? Does anyone believe that garbage?

So, you pissed off your "partner" on another forum a few years ago, so what?? Who cares? What exactly does that have to do with me and what I posted? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

You need to step back and realize you are behaving like the very people you espouse to have been aggrieved by. Do you seriously think you are some sort of messiah saving people from anything? Come on Amir, you are a random, retired dude testing mostly cheap Asian sourced and donated HiFi on an obscure internet forum. It's just fun. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly nothing that's gonna save the world here is there?

Consider the "legacy" you are trashing with your current behavior. It's not clever.

Oh PS let's see how long this thread lasts before getting locked...
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No, you didn't hit a nerve. He was going to close the thread anyway. It's actually clear your nerve was hit pretty hard and you're acting out like a spoiled brat because you can't have things your way.

This forum is not a democracy, remember that. Actually the "forum" part seems to be incidental on top the primary goal, which is publishing rigorous measurements of audio equipment to drive change in the industry. Either adjust and accept the way it is or leave.
 
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An easy chart to understand. If you feel the providers lower down the chart are more honest, you are being misled. If you feel the providers on the right are "liberal" or "leftish", you are right wing. If you feel the providers on the left are "rightish", then you are left wing.
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I don't see why the politics threads can't be ignored like the music threads. People here do a perfectly fine job at rarely adding to those.... ;)
 
Its not too late. Just post audio related topics. Discussion on tariff will not change anything OR will hardly change anything. OR how about no politics for one or two months ?
 
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An easy chart to understand. If you feel the providers lower down the chart are more honest, you are being misled. If you feel the providers on the right are "liberal" or "leftish", you are right wing. If you feel the providers on the left are "rightish", then you are left wing.
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Cool, but I'm less concerned about left vs right than fact/evidence-based versus rhetoric. To me, Axios seems pretty legit.
 
I suggest everyone stop bellyaching that the owner of the site, who pays the bills, decides to use his forum to post a few messages on a topic that he feels is important enough to risk antagonizing "the just for fun" audience. Agree with him or not, that's his prerogative and he's not forcing anyone to read any of it.

We are just having fun, but it seems to me that Amir is not. So at least give him some consideration and allow him to express himself on his own forum without giving him constant grief. I'd understand the complaints if he decided to stop doing measurements and started promoting audiophile power cables. But give a guy a break -- all he did was complain about the tariffs.
 
What would ultimate power be. Just have an option to select thread/s which will not be displayed on main page. I know there is 'hide read thread' option but each time one had to click and read it.
 
JeffS7444 said:
Cool, but I'm less concerned about left vs right than fact/evidence-based versus rhetoric. To me, Axios seems pretty legit.
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Yes JeffS. It appears to be that these days. "Facts", are what is stated by the loudest, most powerful voice! Shame.
 
If an audio device that objectively measures well can not be delectably and subjectively heard as sounding more real or better and objectively measuring poor, sounding delectably and subjectively poor, what is the point of the measurement, other than over designing. Subjective experience is the most important aspect of the hobby and having objective measurement validation is the icing on the cake, not the other way around. There is too much subjective experience bashing around here when it is really the holy grail. I guess if I bought a off road vehicle and keep it on the pavement or rare guitar and hung it on the wall I would still have satisfaction of knowing what I had. Using my ears is my goal. That was the message and that should have been discussed in the truncated post.

The fact that some zealots are ruining the economic, moral and legal fabric described in US laws and US Constitution in such a short period is of much concern as it seems to rippling across world. Amir has decided to take on the cause on his site, is emphatic about it and that it supersedes the rules is his prerogative. I frankly believe the real villains and cowards are Congress by not fulfilling their duties of upholding the power of the purse and joining the courts in enforcing the laws.
 
It's Amir's site. He can do with it as he wishes. Including one rule for him and a different one for the rest of us.

I'm find with that. If anyone doesn't like his monologue, it is easy to ignore. If they feel they can't do that, they are free to go elsewhere.

For me: I'm going no-where.
 
I am not a scientist, however I understand that the study and practice of science is apolitical. A similar thing may be said of economics, about which I do happen to know quite a lot.

This is not to say that science or economics may not be often used by people to make a policy, despite the maker of that policy being ignorant of the scientific or economic basis upon which the policy is formulated. This is actually not so uncommon - policy makers depend a lot on their advisors who have the requisite knowledge.

What we observe here is a catastrophic failure of the policy maker (President Trump) and that of his primary economic advisor, Paul Navarro (Ph.D, Harvard).

It is my opinion that it is right and proper that this demonstrable failure on so many levels be called out and shamed. I would challenge any economist to say in good faith that this that is not their opinion.

In the circumstances I can find no ethical reasons for @amirm , as proprietor of this forum, to have abstained from his rights to issue in no uncertain terms his editorial commentary on the issues.
 
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No, you didn't hit a nerve. He was going to close the thread anyway. It's actually clear your nerve was hit pretty hard and you're acting out like a spoiled brat because you can't have things your way.

This forum is not a democracy, remember that. Actually the "forum" part seems to be incidental on top the primary goal, which is publishing rigorous measurements of audio equipment to drive change in the industry. Either adjust and accept the way it is or leave.
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To "Changes to Reviews" there are ample enough discussions of reference tracks on ASR. Reference tracks are part of the review process.

As a former recording engineer with a lot of sitting in the audience of an acoustic hall, I listen to string texture, piano, and because I dated an double reed player and am familiar with the instrument, those instruments. For many guitar is a common reference, it is used in microphone comparisons. To me, today, drum kit recording is highly varied and processed. Some say listen to cymbals. They are interesting, but I would not trust them today as a critical playback differentiator.

So I think we trust ASR readers and contributors to do their own subjective reference track listening.

Personally, to strings, piano, and reeds, I couldn't describe it, I'm more Justice Potter.
 
Noske said:
I am not a scientist, however I understand that the study and practice of science is apolitical. A similar thing may be said of economics, about which I do happen to know quite a lot.

This is not to say that science or economics may not be often used by people to make a policy, despite the maker of that policy being ignorant of the scientific or economic basis upon which the policy is formulated. This is actually not so uncommon - policy makers depend a lot on their advisors who have the requisite knowledge.

What we observe here is a catastrophic failure of the policy maker (President Trump) and that of his primary economic advisor, Paul Navarro (Ph.D, Harvard).

It is my opinion that it is right and proper that this demonstrable failure on so many levels be called out and shamed. I would challenge any economist to say in good faith that this that is not their opinion.

In the circumstances I can find no ethical reasons for @amirm , as proprietor of this forum, to have abstained from his rights to issue in no uncertain terms his editorial commentary on the issues.
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Economics, unlike chemistry or biology, cannot exist outside a given society, with a set of given institutions, laws, technologies... Hence why economics are, indeed, political. Not as in party politics, but political as in what Aristotle called so.
 
restorer-john said:
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www.audiosciencereview.com

Changes to reviews to improve credibility of this site to people who trust their ears over instrumentation measurements

Of course the discussion of tariffs is all around ... and discussing it here, in a technical forum, will change the direction to ..."Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election three months ago? Are you...
www.audiosciencereview.com www.audiosciencereview.com

Hit a nerve did I? Excellent!

Leverage? Do you know what that means? And how am I "enforcing" power over you? Really? Does anyone believe that garbage?

So, you pissed off your "partner" on another forum a few years ago, so what?? Who cares? What exactly does that have to do with me and what I posted? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

You need to step back and realize you are behaving like the very people you espouse to have been aggrieved by. Do you seriously think you are some sort of messiah saving people from anything? Come on Amir, you are a random, retired dude testing mostly cheap Asian sourced and donated HiFi on an obscure internet forum. It's just fun. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly nothing that's gonna save the world here is there?

Consider the "legacy" you are trashing with your current behavior. It's not clever.

Oh PS let's see how long this thread lasts before getting locked...
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Beyond my comments, I think our honored restorer may be in Australia. There are at least one hilarious YouTube on Oz politics. We value your ASR contributions. But fighting the owner of the platform about US politics content moderation may not be the best use of time.
 
antcollinet said:
It's Amir's site. He can do with it as he wishes. Including one rule for him and a different one for the rest of us.
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Sure he can. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with that, or that I have to keep silent if I’m not, or that my only other option is to go elsewhere…

This “there is only one extreme solution to the problem” mindset is really typical for the times we seem to live in right now :facepalm:
 
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