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And Amir locks another thread because he cannot entertain any other opinion than his own....

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Of course the discussion of tariffs is all around ... and discussing it here, in a technical forum, will change the direction to ..."Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election three months ago? Are you...
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Hit a nerve did I? Excellent!

Leverage? Do you know what that means? And how am I "enforcing" power over you? Really? Does anyone believe that garbage?

So, you pissed off your "partner" on another forum a few years ago, so what?? Who cares? What exactly does that have to do with me and what I posted? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

You need to step back and realize you are behaving like the very people you espouse to have been aggrieved by. Do you seriously think you are some sort of messiah saving people from anything? Come on Amir, you are a random, retired dude testing mostly cheap Asian sourced and donated HiFi on an obscure internet forum. It's just fun. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly nothing that's gonna save the world here is there?

Consider the "legacy" you are trashing with your current behavior. It's not clever.

Oh PS let's see how long this thread lasts before getting locked...
 
If you no longer enjoy the place post elsewhere.
Keith
 
Snoopy said:
If this is about that tariffs thing. Amirn is right in what he is doing :)

But it’s also super easy to ignore that part of the forum.

Where is the harm ?
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It seems like the classic "I agree with the point so the point should be made" argument. Although a step worse in that nobody should be able to make any counter points.
 
Umm... ultimately, ASR is @amirm's to do what ever he wants to. This is not a "public good". There are no shareholders. It's just a project born of one persons efforts, where others can and do contribute significantly. But the others contribute of their own free will. If being here is no longer worthwhile to a person, they are not obliged. If Amir decides to shut it all down tomorrow - then so be it. If there's a @restorer-john forum for review and discussion of "golden age" stereo componenets - then people might head over there to read your thoughts and contribute their own, or they may not.

In other words - there is no obligation on anyone to do, write, like, visit or aknowledge anything ASR. It only exists because the owner pays the hosting bill.
 
It greatly saddens me to see this happening on ASR. I'm reminded of what happened to the late lamented 'Wam when there was problems with the site owners. I know that the circumstances here are totally different, and I support Amir's stance on tariffs, as it has to be said, especially by an American, more affected than we may be here in the UK.

What upsets me is that very valued contributors like John are clearly unhappy, and people like me, who I suggest may be in the majority, (albeit with no evidence) have been disquieted.

A technical forum like this, in my view, regardless of the ownership, takes on a value far in excess of any monetary consideration, and is an invaluable resource for the whole industry cum hobby of audio. Please be very careful handling it. It's fragile.

S.
 
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www.audiosciencereview.com

Changes to reviews to improve credibility of this site to people who trust their ears over instrumentation measurements

Of course the discussion of tariffs is all around ... and discussing it here, in a technical forum, will change the direction to ..."Uhm ... That »other side« is the majority of the U.S.-American people that nominated their new president in a fully democratic election three months ago? Are you...
www.audiosciencereview.com www.audiosciencereview.com

Hit a nerve did I? Excellent!

Leverage? Do you know what that means? And how am I "enforcing" power over you? Really? Does anyone believe that garbage?

So, you pissed off your "partner" on another forum a few years ago, so what?? Who cares? What exactly does that have to do with me and what I posted? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
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An empathetic person might interpret that as being open to the other person’s point of view.

restorer-john said:
You need to step back and realize you are behaving like the very people you espouse to have been aggrieved by. Do you seriously think you are some sort of messiah saving people from anything? Come on Amir, you are a random, retired dude testing mostly cheap Asian sourced and donated HiFi on an obscure internet forum. It's just fun. Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly nothing that's gonna save the world here is there?

Consider the "legacy" you are trashing with your current behavior. It's not clever.

Oh PS let's see how long this thread lasts before getting locked...
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^Probably soon.^
(When you after the owner of a web site you are sort of on the wrong side of the power equation.)

There is likely some DMZ or no-mans land, where there are things that are subjectively heard… and for which the measurements are not complete enough to show what is happening.
 
eddantes said:
In other words - there is no obligation on anyone to do, write, like, visit or aknowledge anything ASR. It only exists because the owner pays the hosting bill.
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And at the same time we hear again and again that it exists to inform people and debunk audio myths; that it almost is answering a higher calling.
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(When you after the owner of a web site you are sort of on the wrong side of the power equation.)
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True, but at the same time it is a site based on questioning things.
A site that almost unilaterally makes fun of reviewers who delete comments that they don't like, comments that go against their point of view.
 
Snoopy said:
But it’s also super easy to ignore that part of the forum.
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If that were truly the case then we could have political talk of all types on here because everyone could just ignore what they don't agree with.
I wonder if the objective only people could visit a forum and just ignore all the posts titled "why power cords are the most important part of your system".
 
Amir owns this site. Accept it or consider creating another site funded by a co-op of like-minded members.
 
In all honesty there has been a bit of politics of one leaning here for a long long time. It is similar to the way the news sources that put out an impartial image can still pick who they like by what they decide to cover and not cover.

Posts questioning the ideals and actions of specific countries and their leaders aren't tolerated, nor are any that could be construed as being negative in any way towards their people; yet at the same time posts are considered entertaining if they made fun of the US and the people there.
 
Amir has a number of issues and this recent development was not a question of if but when.
But, this is his site and he can do as he pleases with it.
If people want to continue here, you just have to adapt your filter to tolerate it.
 
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.
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I've reviewed that locked thread and IMO, it's not a hill worth dying on: Anyone is free to conduct their own listening in a comfortable, sociable manner, with buddies, beer, pizza and what-not. But let's not mistake that for anything but a bit of fun! Subjective impressions are influenced by many non-sonic factors: We "hear" with our other senses too, and these can lead us astray.

Actually, yes I'd say that ASR has changed the world in a small way: In a short period of time, some of those "cheap Asian sourced" brands have gone from being mediocre to outstandingly good, and we know those manufacturers are listening, because they participate here, sometimes quote Amir's test results on their own web sites.

Politics, alas: Would love to leave them alone, but they won't leave me alone.
 
What a shame that the "no politics or religion" rule, which was wisely put in place from the start, has been abandoned by the person who made the rule in the first place. Not sure if the Genie can be put back in the bottle or not but I hope it can as the alternative is continued divisiveness with half the members leaving and the remaining members in a "echo chamber" just like almost all other sites on the internet.
 
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