AMPs / Monoblocks for Canton Refference 5

[oneanother]

Hello, I am kindly asking for help with recommendations for the amps, powering my speakers Canton Refference 5. I am thinking about Topping B200 or Eversolo AMP-F10. What would you recommend? Canton's are little hungry pair. I have now my Vincent SV500, but it is not enough, when I want to listen loudly sometimes, Vincent is activating protective circuits and party is over. So I am finding something more capable, which will have a good control even when I will push it to the limits.

I am thinking about monoblocks or a good amp which will serve me well with future proof manners, even when I change the DAC/preamp. Amps should have 12V trigger. If have also a good recommendation for a preamp, it is warmly welcomed. I am thinking about Eversolo DMP A10. As I have a nice DACs, also alone preamp unit is welcome.

About the price, let's say, I have budget, but I prefer sensible purchase.

Thank you.

 

[staticV3]

Have you tried applying an inaudible high-pass filter to the audio?

30Hz seems like an appropriante corner frequency for the Reference 5.

This may prevent the Vincent from triggering protection, without having to buy a new Amp.

 

[DVDdoug]

I can't make a recommendation...

I am thinking about monoblocks

Monoblocks are an "audiophile gimmick". There are plenty of good stereo amps.

If have also a good recommendation for a preamp,

You get a lot more for you money with a receiver or AVR compared to separates... if value/cost is important to you.

...I'm happy with my 5.1 channel AVR for which I paid about $300. There's nothing "wrong" with the sound, it's got 80W x 5-channels, multiple analog and digital inputs, surround decoding, bass management for a subwoofer, remote control, etc. The only things it's "missing" is more channels and it doesn't have room correction.

 

[smygolf]

30hz that looks to be spot on the tuning freq so not so good for the bass.

 

[oneanother]

Have you tried applying an inaudible high-pass filter to the audio?

30Hz seems like an appropriante corner frequency for the Reference 5.

This may prevent the Vincent from triggering protection, without having to buy a new Amp.

I see what you are recommending, but I don't have a device which will allow me to apply high-pass filter. I am using optical out from my TV right now (TCL 98C855), planning to get a good streamer.

I can't make a recommendation...


Monoblocks are an "audiophile gimmick". There are plenty of good stereo amps.


You get a lot more for you money with a receiver or AVR compared to separates... if value/cost is important to you.

...I'm happy with my 5.1 channel AVR for which I paid about $300. There's nothing "wrong" with the sound, it's got 80W x 5-channels, multiple analog and digital inputs, surround decoding, bass management for a subwoofer, remote control, etc. The only things it's "missing" is more channels and it doesn't have room correction.

I don't care if it will be stereo amp or monoblocks. If a nice stereo, even better as I will save one power socket.

In the past I had a let's say better AVR - Yamaha RX-A830 and that was the last time, when I bought AVR. I am lisening only to stereo and all of my stereo amps, even budget Onkyo A-5VL sounds much better. Then I had a few other basic stereo amps and all of them sounds much better. No AVR, thanks.

30hz that looks to be spot on the tuning freq so not so good for the bass.

Can't apply high-pass right now.

 

[staticV3]

30hz that looks to be spot on the tuning freq so not so good for the bass.

Here's Stereophile's frequency response graph of the Reference 5:

Source

A sufficiently steep HPF at 30Hz should be inaudible.

 

[smygolf]

From the same review, red graph is the port

 

[smygolf]

I see what you are recommending, but I don't have a device which will allow me to apply high-pass filter. I am using optical out from my TV right now (TCL 98C855), planning to get a good streamer.


I don't care if it will be stereo amp or monoblocks. If a nice stereo, even better as I will save one power socket.

In the past I had a let's say better AVR - Yamaha RX-A830 and that was the last time, when I bought AVR. I am lisening only to stereo and all of my stereo amps, even budget Onkyo A-5VL sounds much better. Then I had a few other basic stereo amps and all of them sounds much better. No AVR, thanks.


Can't apply high-pass right now.

Highpass is imo the wrong way to go, a better amp is the way i would go.
Are you based in EU ?

 

[oneanother]

Highpass is imo the wrong way to go, a better amp is the way i would go.
Are you based in EU ?

Yes, EU.

 

[smygolf]

Soundimports have a couple of differents Fosi amps

And

What it means exactly i do not know but it sounds good

 

[MBO]

2x Topping LA90D best amp for Canton Reference 5

 

[Roland68]

Hello, I am kindly asking for help with recommendations for the amps, powering my speakers Canton Refference 5. I am thinking about Topping B200 or Eversolo AMP-F10. What would you recommend? Canton's are little hungry pair. I have now my Vincent SV500, but it is not enough, when I want to listen loudly sometimes, Vincent is activating protective circuits and party is over. So I am finding something more capable, which will have a good control even when I will push it to the limits.

I am thinking about monoblocks or a good amp which will serve me well with future proof manners, even when I change the DAC/preamp. Amps should have 12V trigger. If have also a good recommendation for a preamp, it is warmly welcomed. I am thinking about Eversolo DMP A10. As I have a nice DACs, also alone preamp unit is welcome.

About the price, let's say, I have budget, but I prefer sensible purchase.

Thank you.

The Vincent SV500 is a rather underpowered amplifier, with less power than a Topping PA5 II.

The B200 is certainly not a bad choice. You could also take a look at Purifi and Hypex.
Topping PA7 or Plus, 3E Audio A7 or 2 x A7 Mono, Sabaj A30a / SMSL VMV A2, Yamaha A-S1000/1100/1200 or 2000/2100/2200. With the Yamahas, it's also worth looking at used units.

 

[smygolf]

From France, both 3e and Fosi have been tested and aproved by Amir

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[DanielT]

You don't need that much amplifier power because your speakers' sensitivity is:
89.4dB(B)/2.83V/1m

But it should be a high-current amplifier because:
The magnitude stays between 4 ohms and 8 ohms over most of the audioband, with minimum values of 3.48 ohms at 42Hz and 3.47 ohms at 372Hz. However, as the electrical phase angle is often high, the effective resistance, or EPDR (footnote 1), drops below 2 ohms below 39Hz and below 3 ohms for several regions between 46Hz and 1kHz, and above 5.2kHz. The minimum EPDR values are 1.56 ohms at 24Hz, 2.69 ohms at 51Hz, 2.17 ohms at 90Hz, and 2.17 ohms between 512Hz and 663Hz. As music can have high energy in the higher-frequency regions, the Reference 5 is a demanding amplifier load, though this will be ameliorated by its high sensitivity.

Canton Reference 5 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

Sidebar 3: Measurements I measure loudspeakers in our living room. I move the furniture to the sides, place the speaker on my computer-controlled Outline turntable, raising it so that the tweeter is midway between the floor and ceiling, and fire the speaker along one of the room's diagonals...

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Which in practice will then be an amp with a fair amount of power.

Here is another person with speakers that place tough demands on the amplifier. You might be able to get some tips and suggestions via that thread:

Modern Class D amplifier recommendation for ML electostats?

I need some recommendations for a class D amp for my Martin Logan EFX electrostatic speakers. I found impedence charts of the ML electrostats, and they begin to dip starting at 1kHz. At 3kHz, they are at 4 ohm, and at 10kHz, they are ~1.8 ohm, and at 20kHz they are less than 1 ohm. ML...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Edit:
From an amplifier manufacturer, #8:

.... if you are looking for class D delivering a lot of current, Hypex NC1200, Purifi 1ET7040SA, Purifi 1ET9040BA, with adequate power supply and proper cooling (especially Hypex).

Need an amp for low ohm speakers

Hello, Fulfilling my teenage dreams, I purchased a Pioneer SX 1280 receiver. Unfortunately, even with 200 watts per channel it can't run the recently acquired pair of Infinity RS-2.5 speakers at high volume for very long before cutting out on protection. After doing some research, I found...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[oneanother]

You don't need that much amplifier power because your speakers' sensitivity is:
89.4dB(B)/2.83V/1m

But it should be a high-current amplifier because:
The magnitude stays between 4 ohms and 8 ohms over most of the audioband, with minimum values of 3.48 ohms at 42Hz and 3.47 ohms at 372Hz. However, as the electrical phase angle is often high, the effective resistance, or EPDR (footnote 1), drops below 2 ohms below 39Hz and below 3 ohms for several regions between 46Hz and 1kHz, and above 5.2kHz. The minimum EPDR values are 1.56 ohms at 24Hz, 2.69 ohms at 51Hz, 2.17 ohms at 90Hz, and 2.17 ohms between 512Hz and 663Hz. As music can have high energy in the higher-frequency regions, the Reference 5 is a demanding amplifier load, though this will be ameliorated by its high sensitivity.

Canton Reference 5 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

Sidebar 3: Measurements I measure loudspeakers in our living room. I move the furniture to the sides, place the speaker on my computer-controlled Outline turntable, raising it so that the tweeter is midway between the floor and ceiling, and fire the speaker along one of the room's diagonals...

www.stereophile.com

Which in practice will then be an amp with a fair amount of power.

Here is another person with speakers that place tough demands on the amplifier. You might be able to get some tips and suggestions via that thread:

Modern Class D amplifier recommendation for ML electostats?

I need some recommendations for a class D amp for my Martin Logan EFX electrostatic speakers. I found impedence charts of the ML electrostats, and they begin to dip starting at 1kHz. At 3kHz, they are at 4 ohm, and at 10kHz, they are ~1.8 ohm, and at 20kHz they are less than 1 ohm. ML...

www.audiosciencereview.com

Edit:
From an amplifier manufacturer, #8:

.... if you are looking for class D delivering a lot of current, Hypex NC1200, Purifi 1ET7040SA, Purifi 1ET9040BA, with adequate power supply and proper cooling (especially Hypex).

Need an amp for low ohm speakers

Hello, Fulfilling my teenage dreams, I purchased a Pioneer SX 1280 receiver. Unfortunately, even with 200 watts per channel it can't run the recently acquired pair of Infinity RS-2.5 speakers at high volume for very long before cutting out on protection. After doing some research, I found...

www.audiosciencereview.com

I like Purifi 1ET9040BA recommendation.

What would you recommend as an preamp to this?

 

[DanielT]

I like Purifi 1ET9040BA recommendation.

What would you recommend as an preamp to this?

Regarding the preamp. It depends on how many inputs you want. What sources do you have?
If you only use streaming and already have, as you say, a good DAC, then you really only need a streamer. Does your DAC have a volume control?

Purifi 1ET9040BA. Build yourself?:

PURIFI EVAL4 Mono 1ET9040BA Amplifier Evaluation Kit 750W 4 Ohm

Purifi's EVAL4 is an evaluation kit comprising a 1ET9040BA mono amplifier module and a FE04 mono input card. It is perfectly suited to integration in DIY audio projects.

www.audiophonics.fr

or ready-made:

AUDIOPHONICS HPA-DM750ET Power Amplifier Purifi 1ET9040BA

The Audiophonics HPA-DM750ET is a Class D power amplifier featuring dual mono architecture. Integrating two Purifi 1ET9040BA amplifier modules and two independent Hypex SMPS1200A180 power supply boards,

www.audiophonics.fr

Buckeye Amps

Buckeye Amps utilizes the most advanced audio amplifier technologies available. Authorized seller for Hypex and Purifi Class D amplifiers. Based in the US. Free shipping and worldwide service!

www.buckeyeamp.com

PURIFI 1ET9040BA Buckeye or Audiophonics

I would like to buy a PURIFI 1ET9040BA Monoblock for front speaker and I am confused between several companies because of the difference in gain amp between them I have a question about perfect match gain amp with storm audio ISP MK3 processor ? Also I do not know about the quality of these...

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Edit:
A streamer, any WiiM product? WiiM Pro together with your DAC for example. An advantage of WiiM is that it has PEQ, both manual and automatic (RoomFit)

Optimizing Your Audio Experience: A Comprehensive Guide to RoomFit™ Room Correction

TABLE OF CONTENTS What's Room Correction The Benefits of Room Correction Room Correction vs. EQ Preparations for Room Correction Step-by-Step Guide to Room Correction Tips What's Room Correction Room correction is a process that inv...

faq.wiimhome.com

Fixing the FR in the sub bass area is always necessary if you want to get good bass.
You can measure with your mobile phone's microphone together with WiiM but I recommend that you buy a Dayton Audio iMM-6C Calibrated USB-C Measurement Microphone for Apple/ Android for better results.

Dayton IMM-6 microphone setup and measurement

This is a reminder of the setup and measurement procedure of the Dayton Audio iMM-6 microphone used for WiiM Room Correction(RC). If RC supports IMM-6, this might be useful to someone. Please allow me to post in the request thread with the expectation of IMM-6 support. The IMM-6 series is...

forum.wiimhome.com

 

[MBO]

I had a Purifi 7040 for my Canton Reference 5k speakers, and even that amplifier couldn't control them properly in the low frequencies. I'm currently experiencing a significant improvement with two Topping La90D amplifiers in mono mode.

 

[MBO]

I once heard a trick that you can remove this strange DC circuit in Canton speakers, which significantly improves low-frequency control for the amplifier.

 

[Ropeburn]

If you like Vincent or hybrid amps in general, you could replace the SV500 with one of their big models. SV 226, 238, etc. Those are beefy with ridiculous power transformers and stable under difficult load simply by brute force method.

Older models are very affordable used. You could possibly sell the SV500 and get a good one for the same money.

 

[DanielT]

I had a Denon PMA-1500R amplifier a few years ago. I regret selling it because I thought it was good and stylish. I was offered a good price though.

It would have been really interesting to see how it handled a pair of Canton Reference 5.

Denon PMA-1500R is not a monster power amplifier (70 watts into 8 Ohm, 140 watts into 4 Ohm) but since current was brought up in the thread:

In order to solve the conflicting problems of delicate expressive power and speaker drive, we have adopted a high-current amplifier UHC-MOS with a peak current of 120A at the output stage....

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But maybe that's not enough?