All About UFO's

[WillBrink]

I agree. In the end, I tend to doubt that NHI is here and is the culprit for UAPs. But, something is going on - where there is smoke there is fire. What that something is needs to be determined.

After following this topic for quite a long time now, I tend to think much of the claims are a combination of misidentifications, misunderstandings, hoaxers and liars.

But, I think a small subset of the reports may be due to natural phenomena we do not yet understand, and gaining an understanding will enhance our knowledge of nature.

I also think a small subset, e.g., sightings in and arround military and nuclear facilities, are due to unscrupulous actors, perhaps U.S. adversaries. Those potentially pose a national security risk, and definitely need to be investigated and counter-measures put in place to stop them.

Another small subset are due to sightings of secret advanced aerial weapons systems. Secrecy probably should be maintained, and UAP provide a distraction that works.

The Q there is related to the ongoing claims by a large number of highly credible people some of those are reverse engineered from UFO tech recovered. Considering the performance of some of them, they leave as many Qs as answers.

 

[terryforsythe]

The Q there is related to the ongoing claims by a large number of highly credible people some of those are reverse engineered from UFO tech recovered. Considering the performance of some of them, they leave as many Qs as answers.

That, to me, is what makes the entire UAP topic so puzzling. There now are a lot of highly credentialed people, who held high positions in our government and military, as well as governments and militaries of other nations, telling us NHI is real and is here. But, the physical evidence coming out, to me, tells a different story.

Significant moments for me were when Elizondo presented pictures of potential UAPs, one which turned out to be a reflection of a lamp off of a window and one which was a farm field that presented an optical illusion from the perspective of the camera. He did say that he had not vetted those pictures, but if he were familiar enough with UAPs to be so confident NHI are here, it seams to me that he should have known those images were not of UAPs.

Moreover, I watched most of the videos released by the DoW, and I see flocks of birds, balloons, Chinese lanterns, etc. Many of those were videos that Luna, et al. were pushing to get released. Corbell told us they were coming and they had no rational explanations. There are maybe two or three that look interesting, but anyone claiming the rest don't have rational explanations isn't thinking critically.

I'm not to the point where I would bet my house against the NHI hypothesis, and I try to keep an open mind, but it is getting hard to do.

 

[mhardy6647]

I will not believe you if you tell me you don't believe in the existence of flying spaghetti monster!
That would breach any snark's limits.

Well, now we're talking unalterable truth!
To quote the late, great Ronnie Lane's marvelous song Stone (also known as Evolution, as covered by his buddy Pete Townshend on his first solo album, Who Came First):

Don't need no proof
'Cause it's the truth
And I'll drink to that!

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

I try to keep an open mind, but it is getting hard to do

In the words of the great Terry Pratchett

“The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.”​

 

[sam_adams]

Berwyn . . .

Berwyn?!?

 

[sam_adams]

. . . I tend to think much of the claims are a combination of misidentifications, misunderstandings, hoaxers and liars.

 

[Audiofire]

Nothing to see here, the authorities told you what to do, so stop questioning them

 

[terryforsythe]

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If I remember correctly, Dr. Hynek, as a skeptic, contributed to that report as part of Project Sign. After further investigations he changed his mind, believing that UAPs are real, and became a notable UFO investigator.

As we know, the U.S. government continued UAP investigations for decades, continuing on to this day, much of the investigations under high security. So, it seems that the U.S. government, at large, didn't think that report was the final say on the matter.

Moreover, the U.S. government's actions on UAP investigations and internal reports often misalign with their public statements on the matter. The puzzle pieces don't match.

 

[terryforsythe]

Among the information released by the DoW this year on the UAP issue, the link below is to a report generated by the FBI and released by the ODNI that keeps the door cracked open in my mind:

https://www.war.gov/UFO/?type=.pdf#ODNI-UAP-D001-USPER-Narrative-Senior-USIC-Official

(If you select the "Download" button you can see the full report)

I previously gave a summary of that report in post #5,806.

A question I have is why the DoW did not release the videos from that encounter, rather than only still images extracted from the videos? The still images depict black orbs, but how do we know they are not balloons? The report tells us what they are and how they maneuvered, but video would shed light onto the veracity of the report. An answer as to why the videos were not released with the report will answer many other questions.

To save going back to the earlier post, here is a summary of the FBI report:

A mission was launched to investigate loud thuds heard in the mountains on the test range that coincided with UAP sightings. "[G]round teams reported spotting a UAP on FLIR, describing it as 'super-hot,' low to the ground, and moving east then south at high speed. The object then split into two and changed direction." The ground team radioed the helicoptor that the object had risen from the ground. The object approached within ten feet of the helicopter, dropped below it, then sped away. The pilots saw it split into two as a smaller object emerged before it and accelerated out of site. The helicopter "briefly pursued but broke off, unable to match its speed."

Minutes later the Joint Operations Center (JOC) directed the helicopter to nearby radar detections. The helicopter took up a hovering position and, in the distance, the crew "saw countless orange orbs swarming in all directions against the backdrop of the mountain."

The JOC then redirected the helicopter to the previous position based on fresh radar hits, and the pilots moved to intercept. The pilots and narrator (one of the senior U.S. intelligence officials) "observed two large orbs flare up side-by-side, close to the helicopter - stationary and just above the rotar disk to our right. They were oval-shaped, orange with a white or yellow center, and emitted light in all directions."

"Ater a few seconds, a third orb flared up below the pair, followed by a fourth below that, forming a total of four or five in a 'T' formation under the original two. Moments later, they dimmed in reverse order, remaining stationary until they vanished from view."

 

[Taiga]

"Ater a few seconds, a third orb flared up below the pair, followed by a fourth below that, forming a total of four or five in a 'T' formation under the original two. Moments later, they dimmed in reverse order, remaining stationary until they vanished from view."

Maybe they want us out of the neighborhood and, after studying Earth history, decided to try a humanoid tactic.

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

Pentagon Declassifies Files On Blimps

ARLINGTON, VA—In what may be the largest-ever disclosure of government data concerning the mysterious aerial phenomena, Pentagon officials announced Wednesday they had begun releasing a trove of formerly classified files on blimps. “These strange, balloon-like anomalies have captivated the...

theonion.com

 

[Taiga]

“Oh, the humanity!”

— Glepzhesij, Blimp VIP Liason
Wormhole Travel Agency
Arrive before you leave

 

[sam_adams]

Viciously torn from the pages of the Daily Mail, U.S. Edition:

Eerie 'shape-shifting orb' spotted hovering over Colorado for hours

An eerie, glowing orb hovered motionless in the Colorado sky for six hours, leaving stunned witnesses searching for an explanation.

www.dailymail.com

I now doubt the existence of the State of Colorado . . .

 

[voodooless]

'Only One Conclusion': Radical Study Suggests Life on Earth Arose Twice

The fact that you, or I, or any living creature, is here at all is a series of astonishing strokes of luck stretching back more than 4 billion years. One of the biggest hurdles was the very first one: How did life emerge from a primordial soup of stuff that very much wasn't alive? A radical new...

www.sciencealert.com

 

[WillBrink]

There's a Catch 22 on UFO/UAP vids that this vid does a decent job at. People will say "where's the clear video?!" in response to the grainy fuzzy vids, and when they supply a clear vid the response is invariably "that must be a fake!"

Me, in this day and age, I assume it's all fake unless the source is vetted, the chain of custody known, it's been looked at closely by video experts, and so forth. Finally, if it passes all that, I need to see the object perform in a way that eliminates things like balloons, drones, etc. before I'm really interested. Finally, it needs some additional corroborations, be it radar tracked, seen by qualified personnel, etc. Having said all that, I'm still interested to see what exists and I think this vid examines the high res vids with some objectvity even if he suffers some confirmation bias, which is a universal human behavior trait as far as I'm concerned:

 

[terryforsythe]

The DoW released the 5th tranche of UAP files today.

 

[solderdude]

There's a Catch 22 on UFO/UAP vids that this vid does a decent job at. People will say "where's the clear video?!" in response to the grainy fuzzy vids, and when they supply a clear vid the response is invariably "that must be a fake!"

This is similar to one person succesfully ABX-ing differences between DACs with some evidence.

When looking at many SF movies most of these images are pin sharp and really convincing in a lot of cases, Yet... none of it is real.
To serve as 'evidence' one would ideally have to see different videos, from different angles with different cameras and lots of witnesses.

 

[terryforsythe]

When looking at many SF movies most of these images are pin sharp and really convincing in a lot of cases, Yet... none of it is real.
To serve as 'evidence' one would ideally have to see different videos, from different angles with different cameras and lots of witnesses.

I agree.

 

[mhardy6647]

The DoW released the 5th tranche of UAP files today.

So... should I turn on the news?

 

[terryforsythe]

I'm not very motivated to go through it yet. I suspect it will be more of the same. If there is anything interesting, I'll pick up on the chatter and take a look.

The one report where supposedly they got a close look at the "orbs", and still categorized them as UAPs, did not have any video or close up images - all of the imaging released were still images taken from a distance. Ignoring the written report, the objects could have been balloons for all we know. If they are not balloons, why not release the videos, especially those taken close to the objects? My conclusion is that they are playing games with us. Why? Some speculate that it is a slow release process. Some speculate it is a psy op. I don't know, but I am growing a bit tired of it all. Maybe they want people to get tired of it and go away. If so, perhaps it is working, at least on some of us.