All About UFO's

[WillBrink]

So you would only accept the findings of your proposed blue ribbon workgroup if they are in agreement with your premature beliefs of what they ought to reveal. Even though they will have access to the top of the top most top secret documents that have presumably been hidden in the top most secret vault buried underground topped by a mile deep encasement of top quality concrete and two feet of really nice topsoil. Even though you, I am guessing, do not have access to those very same documents.

Yet you are willing to re-post and be an enthusiast for information posted by self-proclaimed experts under conditions with less availability to the universe of data and the threat of repercussions, such as from breaking an NDA, than what you just proposed as needed to meet your criteria for revealing the facts.

That’s the actual problem.

That would depend to a large extent on who was on the panel, how they presented their findings, and what evidence they used/supplied to support it. The discussion is irrelevant and unproductive, so I'm done with it. Have a good holiday.

 

[Audiofire]

There are a lot of accounts of crazy sightings and abductions, where skeptics are unable to prove that they are fictitious. Simon examines the details surrounding the persistent mysteries, while attempting to separate factual information from speculation. This includes competent people who seem to be honest. The end of the video examines counter-evidence, namely the Tic Tac sighting that could be an optical illusion. As a skeptic, he does not think that they are ETs, but that is his opinion.

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

There are a lot of accounts of crazy sightings and abductions, where skeptics are unable to prove that they are fictitious.

The onus is not on the sceptics to prove them false but vice versa.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof”

 

[Taiga]

Such arguments and positions only seem to go in one direction with them. If not for double standards, they'd have no standards.

That would depend to a large extent on who was on the panel, how they presented their findings, and what evidence they used/supplied to support it. The discussion is irrelevant and unproductive, so I'm done with it. Have a good holiday.

I am having a good holiday and hoping that you are as well.

Instead of insulting me and leaving, I was hoping that you had the ability to assemble a cogent reply to the specific points in my comment. You are the person who proposed a blue ribbon workgroup with no restrictions, but now you will not support your own proposal unless they conclude what you want to hear.

It is akin to demanding independently conducted speaker tests using state-of-the-art methodologies, but refusing to accept the results if your speaker doesn’t fare well. And claiming a priori that if your speaker does not fare well, it is because the test protocols are flawed or there is a deliberate intention to misrepresent the data.

 

[Audiofire]

The onus is not on the sceptics to prove them false but vice versa.
“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof”

Obviously. Onus is not on skeptics to dismiss the accounts as nonsense.

 

[solderdude]

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Onus is not on ASR to dismiss subjective accounts as nonsense ?

 

[Audiofire]

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Onus is not on ASR to dismiss subjective accounts as nonsense ?

Obviously some differences in the evidence, because of measurement equipment for electronics and blind test. Subjective listening is easier to dismiss as nonsense.

 

[Audiofire]

I like how mainstream media/society is catching on. "Director and producer of 'The Age of Disclosure' Dan Farah discusses what is keeping people from learning more about UAPs." Talking about a UFO cover-up or that the truth is out there, but it is classified or private contractors.

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

The age of distraction

 

[terryforsythe]

Today the DoW dropped a new tranche of "UAP" files:

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www.war.gov

I haven't gone through it all, but the first few videos I saw appeared to be of balloons and birds. So far I haven't seen anything noteworthy.

 

[somebodyelse]

I haven't gone through it all, but the first few videos I saw appeared to be of balloons and birds. So far I haven't seen anything noteworthy.

Are they redacting all the useful on-screen information again?

 

[WillBrink]

The age of distraction

LOL, I like it!

 

[terryforsythe]

Are they redacting all the useful on-screen information again?

Yes

 

[Audiofire]

The Pentagon on Friday released a new batch of UFO files, spanning 19 videos and more. Jordan Flowers, executive director of the Disclosure Foundation, joins CBS News to discuss.

 

[WillBrink]

One of the more interesting discussions with a government official trying his best to get through the layers and layers of secrecy:

Rep. Eric Burlison on UAP material he saw inside SCIF and files he's forcing open.​

 

[Taiga]

Foreign agents collaborating with ETs may have lead to Sen. Graham’s demise.

Not sure why ETs would be after Graham, but it is now part of the deep cover-up by US intelligence services. Don’t expect the true files on Graham’s death to be released anytime soon. Reputable high-ranking government sources have leaked that they are being transferred to the top secret holding facility outside of Roswell, NM. Roswell was the obvious choice as government officials with top security clearances, like DNI and POTUS, have been decoyed from accessing the true files stored there for decades. Is it a coincidence that the CIA was created the same year as the Roswell crash (1947)? Sorry the video is not longer to beat you down into submission.

 

[Audiofire]

Another video relevant to the thread which skeptics can think is nonsense. I don't care, because disbelief and ignorance are not persuasive arguments. I think the video is interesting to listen to and there is UFO footage at 01:24:00 - the video description is decent:

Bob Lazar sat down for the longest and most scientifically rigorous interview he’s done since blowing the whistle on covert Navy UFO reverse engineering programs at Nevada Test Site’s S4 in 1989. He goes deep on UFO science, how the crafts actually fly, talks gravity-altering propulsion with NASA lead electrostatics scientist Charles Buhler, analyzes newly-leaked footage of a UFO flying at Area51 and unpacks his full experience working on the Sports Model UFO: its test flight, how it was found during an archeological dig on the ocean floor, its Element 115-fueled reactor and gravity-altering emitters. He also describes seeing 9 other UFOs in the Hangars at S4, the directed energy and time-manipulation programs he was briefed on and being recruited to the program by Manhattan Project pioneer, Edward Teller. Finally, Lazar says that he now knows how to recreate the exotic, gravity-altering force employed by the UFO he worked in the 80’s but this time in his own personal lab with his own equipment

 

[Axo1989]

Another video relevant to the thread which skeptics can think is nonsense. I don't care, because disbelief and ignorance are not persuasive arguments. I think the video is interesting to listen to and there is UFO footage at 01:24:00 - the video description is decent:

A weekend? So this is a 48-hour video? Anything less will be a letdown, for sure.

 

[Taiga]

Wow. They reverse engineered the flying saucer from Lost In Space. Fitting as Lost In Space is a good title for the claimed evidence of ET visits.

“Danger! Danger Will Robinson!”

Fun Fact: Neil Degrasse Tyson explains why flying saucers can’t spin. It has something to do with science, conservation of angular momentum, or some such annoyance that aliens are apparently immune to having supernatural powers and all that.

 

[terryforsythe]

Take a moment and seriously analyze what is happening with this subject in and around the U.S. government. There are one of two possibilities:

1) There are a lot of very gullible and bat sh!t crazy people at the highest levels of the U.S. government;

OR

2) For 80 years the U.S. government really has been hiding one of the most significant discoveries from its citizens.

The longer I follow this subject, as well as other issues, the more inclined I am to believe it is the former (1). But, that is even more scarry than the latter (2), and gives me great concern about the future of the U.S.