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All About UFO's

Aha, i assume that you saw all of those data yourself then?, i mean even before Congress!, well i guess it's all settled then, case closed.
Do you really believe in craft that happily fly around the galaxy at faster than light speeds, flown by representatives of a highly advanced civilisation, and yet when they reach Earth's atmosphere they suddenly and inexplicably crash? They, as in more than one?

We can make the negative assumption until proven otherwise on that score alone, for now, surely?
 
I noted the panspermia idea in my post. I'm not claiming it. I do think the idea of interstellar communication via dna/rna transfer is somewhat novel. Considering we know the mitochondrial revolution only happened once, it's possible there is only one genetic code despite the vastness of space. Our dna could be the lingua franca of the universe. I don't think that this necessarily means it happened on earth so the 'where' question is interesting but I'd wager almost impossible to deduce if we do find life elsewhere. It will be like trying to find covid patient zero in China from our labs in the USA. It very well may be unknowable.
Well, again, there is enough evidence to show that life could and indeed would have evolved on Earth from materials known to be on the planet at the time. If that's possible, then it's the safest assumption.
 
Do you really believe in craft that happily fly around the galaxy at faster than light speeds, flown by representatives of a highly advanced civilisation, and yet when they reach Earth's atmosphere they suddenly and inexplicably crash? They, as in more than one?

We can make the negative assumption until proven otherwise on that score alone, for now, surely?
I can't recall I ever spoke (up till now) about aliens, i was talking about Unidentified Flying Objects in the most broad sense of the word, i also stated that i thought that the vast majority of sightings are secretly "Ours"
which would even a bigger crime, withholding the revolutionary tech (if it exists) from the world.
 
Do you really believe in craft that happily fly around the galaxy at faster than light speeds, flown by representatives of a highly advanced civilisation, and yet when they reach Earth's atmosphere they suddenly and inexplicably crash? They, as in more than one?

We can make the negative assumption until proven otherwise on that score alone, for now, surely?
Funny that, eh?
;)
 
i also stated that i thought that the vast majority of sightings are secretly "Ours"
Or theirs. :eek:

I suspect you're right, though. It's the best way to cover up stuff that the military (whoever's military -- not necessarily ours) doesn't want folks to know about, but can't exactly hide.

Occam's Razor and all that. :)
 
Or theirs. :eek:

I suspect you're right, though. It's the best way to cover up stuff that the military (whoever's military -- not necessarily ours) doesn't want folks to know about, but can't exactly hide.

Occam's Razor and all that. :)
Occam’s Razor says that “we” have physics defying aircraft? It may need sharpening…
 
Occam’s Razor says that “we” have physics defying aircraft? It may need sharpening…
You're not thinking this through!
Physics defying aircraft.
Physics defying audio cables.

Them aircraft design folks have to have a cover story, right? Now you know...

:cool:
 
I wouldn't be surprised if those crashed ones are deliberate seppuku after getting here.
I mean,can you imagine traveling for a long time through all kinds of danger and finally facing this ?

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Good article in the Wall Street Journal about current revival of intetest in UFO’s. Not sure if it is ok to post so will just reference for those interested.
 
Anyone ever seen this old interview with John Lear? I remember watching quite a few years ago and went searching for it. I'll leave the believability factor to the viewer.

 
Do you really believe in craft that happily fly around the galaxy at faster than light speeds, flown by representatives of a highly advanced civilisation, and yet when they reach Earth's atmosphere they suddenly and inexplicably crash? They, as in more than one?

Aerodynamics and warp drives are very different things. Perhaps they come from a planet with a very thin atmosphere and have a limited notion of how to stabilze craft in turbulence or storms. Perhaps they regard in-atmosphere craft as expendible. Perhaps the earths' magnetosphere is close to the limits of their crafts' capabilities and occasionally causes malfunctions. Who knows?

My point is not that this stuff is actually something we should believe. I'm just pointing out that in the absence of facts, and with an abstract notion of highly superior technology, with a modicum of imagination, you can fit any narrative to any set of "facts" you want.

You also see the same kind of "reasoning" around "The singularity", a hypothesized moment when AI becomes conscious, exponentially smarter, and then everything changes.

What's happened in that community is sort of hilarious and appalling at the same time. Over time, people have taken a scientifically plausible idea introduced by Ray Kurzweil, a legitimate technologist, and gradually become CERTAIN that "the singularity" will be, in almost every detail, a secular version of the Christian rapture and second coming of Christ.

They get REALLY MAD when you point this out, but it's basically a shot-for-shot remake of the Christian end times prophecies - with a lot of the bad stuff edited out depending on who you ask. (there is a whole line of reasoning where the AI punishes non-believers who are aware of the concept for failing to hasten the singularity... sound familiar?)

The Singularity has become all but a religious concept, with people fervently hoping the end times will come in their lifetimes and solve all their problems. The whole thing of earthly paradise, and people joining God (AI) in Heaven (minds uploaded to VR) is extremely on-the-nose.

Just goes to show people will look for "Deus Ex Machina" all over the place, sometimes in actual machines, sometimes in aliens, sometimes in gods, sometimes in eccentric billionaires. We want to believe, and it's difficult to stop.
 
They come all this way and haven’t figured out our atmosphere vs. their own yet we are far from interstellar travel and are starting to explore atmospheres via James Watt etc. That makes zero sense to me. But who knows? I just like to go with the most logical…they are not here.
 
Well, again, there is enough evidence to show that life could and indeed would have evolved on Earth from materials known to be on the planet at the time. If that's possible, then it's the safest assumption.
The process of abiogenesis is very complex. I don't agree that it is the 'safest assumption' to believe it arose on earth spontaneously. We are finding organic material all over the universe. True, the fact that we are even having this conversation is strong evidence things started here, but the fact that it happened a single time on earth, to me also suggests a possible 'seeding event'. If Earth was such a perfect place for life to arise, why hasn't it happened more than once? If all you need are the conditions that are present on earth, shouldn't the universe be teeming with life?
 
The process of abiogenesis is very complex. I don't agree that it is the 'safest assumption' to believe it arose on earth spontaneously. We are finding organic material all over the universe. True, the fact that we are even having this conversation is strong evidence things started here, but the fact that it happened a single time on earth, to me also suggests a possible 'seeding event'. If Earth was such a perfect place for life to arise, why hasn't it happened more than once? If all you need are the conditions that are present on earth, shouldn't the universe be teeming with life?
Organic material doesn't equal life, though, does it? We have no, zero, incontrovertible evidence for extraterrestrial life, other than the extreme unlikeliness that across all the billions of galaxies we can see that life has not evolved somewhere else. We have no evidence for extraterrestrial RNA, let alone DNA. That does not mean that life has not evolved elsewhere, only that we have no evidence of another source for, well, us.

And my words "safest assumption" were chosen for a reason. Occam's razor does apply here though.
 
Organic material doesn't equal life, though, does it? We have no, zero, incontrovertible evidence for extraterrestrial life, other than the extreme unlikeliness that across all the billions of galaxies we can see that life has not evolved somewhere else. We have no evidence for extraterrestrial RNA, let alone DNA. That does not mean that life has not evolved elsewhere, only that we have no evidence of another source for, well, us.

And my words "safest assumption" were chosen for a reason. Occam's razor does apply here though.
There is abundant evidence of extraterrestrial-origin nucleobases arriving on earth. I don't think there is as yet any consensus explanation for a natural terrestrial chemical process for an earth-based source, though I will freely admit the chemistry involved is far, far beyond me. Seems that Occam could cut both ways in this instance- certainly the fact that life is abundant on Earth and nowhere else we are yet aware of suggests it started here, but it is without a doubt dependent on these more complex organic molecules that we are uncertain were able to arise via normal geologic processes- therefore they must have extra terrestrial origins. And this is just the first small step towards 'life'. There are so many more enormously unlikely elements to the process it doesn't feel irrational to suggest it took more than our Earth for it to happen.
 
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