All About UFO's

[antcollinet]

But what does he know right?

That is a very pertinent question - what does he know. What eveidence do you have that he knows anything at all. Just because he said so? He might just be basing all his opinions on exactly the sort of breathlessly presented videos that fill this thread.

Just because a conspiraloon happens to have a senior government position does't mean he's not a conspiraloon.

After all - and trying not to get overtly political - there are numerous examples of heads of state and their associate conspiraloons (or at least people who cynically present conspiracies as fact for their own political gain) all over the world.

 

[WillBrink]

That is a very pertinent question - what does he know. What eveidence do you have that he knows anything at all. Just because he said so? He might just be basing all his opinions on exactly the sort of breathlessly presented videos that fill this thread.

Just because a conspiraloon happens to have a senior government position does't mean he's not a conspiraloon.

After all - and trying not to get overtly political - there are numerous examples of heads of state and their associate conspiraloons (or at least people who cynically present conspiracies as fact for their own political gain) all over the world.

It's intellectually dishonest of you to fail to also post my next sentence which was "Again, we are left with possibilities; they are lying, crazy, or other?"

Hence, I make room for all possibilities until we have definitive evidence. What I'm not willing to do, due to the totality of the evidence we have, such as it is, is dismiss him et al outright as "conspiraloon." That would illogical.

I have no problem dismissing moon landing deniers as conspiraloons because we have the evidence required to dismiss them easily. That's not the case at all with UAP/UFO phenomena.

 

[antcollinet]

It's intellectually dishonest of you to fail to also post my next sentence which was "Again, we are left with possibilities; they are lying, crazy, or other?"

Hence, I make room for all possibilities until we have definitive evidence. What I'm not willing to do, due to the totality of the evidence we have, such as it is, is dismiss him et al outright as "conspiraloon." That would illogical.

I have no problem dismissing moon landing deniers as conspiraloons because we have the evidence required to dismiss them easily. That's not the case at all with UAP/UFO phenomena.

I'll be honest - I did't read your next sentence - I just reacted to your "posters here clearly better informed"


So while it might have been lazy - or reactive - it was not dishonest, intellectually or otherwise.

 

[terryforsythe]

There's that credentialism again. And the paradox: 'high-level' people are ... compelling ... and incompetent?

My incompetence statement pertained to people in the U.S. federal government, based on too many factors to list, at least one being the seemingly endless contradictory statements on the UAP subject. Haim Eshed did not work for the U.S. government (at least from what we know).

 

[mhardy6647]

They will not discuss nukes but they have them.

So, to summarize:

Won't discuss satellites. Have satellites.
Won't discuss nukes. Have nukes.
Will discuss aliens.

hmmm...

 

[antcollinet]

I have no problem dismissing moon landing deniers as conspiraloons because we have the evidence required to dismiss them easily. That's not the case at all with UAP/UFO phenomena.

But there is the problem - you (or many posting in this thread) seem to give the purveyors of such ideas far to much credence (especially given the point I made upthread about the amount of evidence needed to support improbable concepts.)

Hence, I make room for all possibilities until we have definitive evidence.

You seem to accept these things as possibilities just because someone claims them without considering the probability of the claims having any validity. This is the exact opposite of Scientific Skepticism.

A bunch of talking heads - no matter how many - or what their background - are not evidence without some other, actual, evidence.

By which we get to:

"By all means keep an open mind - but not so open your brains fall out."

It is perfectly acceptable to listen to someone's words, and then decide "Nah - that is nonsense" - until they produce something other than words.

 

[mhardy6647]

It's intellectually dishonest of you to fail to also post my next sentence which was "Again, we are left with possibilities; they are lying, crazy, or other?"

I vote lying+other. The other being why they're lying. They're not likely to tell the truth about that.
The Occam's Razor approach.
... or maybe it's the Epimenides approach.

 

[Audiofire]

Interestingly, quotes from Wernher von Braun ...

Es gibt außerirdische Kräfte, deren Sitz uns noch unbekannt ist, die aber weitaus stärker sind, als bisher annahmen. Mehr darf ich darüber nicht sagen. In wenigen Monaten aber können wir deutlicher werden. Wir sind zur Zeit dabei, mit diesen außerirdischen Kräften in nähere Verbindung zu kommen.

"There are extraterrestrial forces whose origin is still unknown to us, but they are much stronger than previously assumed. I cannot say more about this. However, in a few months, we will be able to clarify things further. We are currently working on establishing closer contact with these extraterrestrial forces."

And Professor Oberth from 1959 (when the UFO technology is said to have been developed or discovered).

Ich glaube an die Existenz außerirdischer Mächte.

"I believe in the existence of extraterrestrial powers."

https://ia800401.us.archive.org/23/items/von-braun-ocr/VonBraunOCR.pdf

 

[Axo1989]

Interestingly, quotes from Wernher von Braun ...

"There are extraterrestrial forces whose origin is still unknown to us, but they are much stronger than previously assumed. I cannot say more about this. However, in a few months, we will be able to clarify things further. We are currently working on establishing closer contact with these extraterrestrial forces."

So, what happened 'in a few months' ... ?

Quick PS: ok Neues Europa looks entirely convincing

 

[antcollinet]

Interestingly, quotes from Wernher von Braun ...

"There are extraterrestrial forces whose origin is still unknown to us, but they are much stronger than previously assumed. I cannot say more about this. However, in a few months, we will be able to clarify things further. We are currently working on establishing closer contact with these extraterrestrial forces."

And Professor Oberth from 1959 (when the UFO technology is said to have been developed).

"I believe in the existence of extraterrestrial powers."

https://ia800401.us.archive.org/23/items/von-braun-ocr/VonBraunOCR.pdf

You do appear to be quoting from something that looks like a 1959 edition of the German National Enquirer.**

I give in - I am now convinced.

Wait....

However, in a few months, we will be able to clarify things further.

Followed by .... tumbleweed.

No, now I'm a skeptic again.


**I mean FFS - combined with claims of demonology upthread, is it any wonder I am failing to take any part of this thread seriously.

 

[Audiofire]

LOL, but I am not sure they fabricated those quotes

 

[antcollinet]

but I am not sure they fabricated those quotes

Well that seems like a good reason for taking them at face value.

 

[kemmler3D]

I make room for all possibilities until we have definitive evidence. What I'm not willing to do, due to the totality of the evidence we have, such as it is, is dismiss him et al outright as "conspiraloon." That would illogical.

I have no problem dismissing moon landing deniers as conspiraloons because we have the evidence required to dismiss them easily. That's not the case at all with UAP/UFO phenomena.

Yes, but assuming there is something interesting going on, or even actively entertaining the possibility, is like looking at a company with zero profits and concluding they must have had very large revenues and very large expenses during the year, that somehow zero out... instead of the obvious, more reasonable assumption that it's an inactive corporate entity that did nothing all year.

 

[mhardy6647]

"I believe in the existence of extraterrestrial powers."

Which says nothing about their being here.
It is literally equivalent to saying: "I believe in the sun when it does not shine. I believe in God when He is silent."

Es gibt außerirdische Kräfte, deren Sitz uns noch unbekannt ist, die aber weitaus stärker sind, als bisher annahmen. Mehr darf ich darüber nicht sagen. In wenigen Monaten aber können wir deutlicher werden. Wir sind zur Zeit dabei, mit diesen außerirdischen Kräften in nähere Verbindung zu kommen.

[emphasis added]

Ich würde sagen, "Na, und?"

 

[Audiofire]

Here is another fun looney tunes incident from 1957. Testimony by Reinhold O. Schmidt, who claims that he was allowed to check out one of the flying saucers by people who seemed to be from Germany:

I drove toward the river bank and when I was within approximately 100 feet of it, my car stopped. I turned the switch off and on several times, and stepped on the starter, but it was completely dead. I wondered if the rough road had jiggled some of the wires loose. When I looked up I saw what appeared to me to be a large half-inflated balloon. I got out of the car and walked toward it; coming around a clump of willows and tall grass I got a better look at it and I realized it wasn't a balloon, but a large silvery ship of some kind of metal that looked like polished steel or aluminum.

They all spoke to me in the English language with what seemed to me to be German accent. Among themselves they talked high German which I could understand as I graduated from a school where they spoke and taught German as well as English, and I was able to speak, read and write German at that time.

https://ia802800.us.archive.org/16/items/reinholdschmidtthekearneyincident/Reinhold%20Schmidt-%20The%20Kearney%20Incident.pdf

 

[Taiga]

And he's not the first nor alone. Let's not forget former Canadian Minister of Defence Paul Hellyer, publicly claimed the existence of extraterrestrial life and unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) starting in the early 2000s. But what does he know right? Posters here, clearly better informed...

Again, we are left with possibilities; they are lying, crazy, or other? Why does someone with their creds and reputation claim such a thing knowing what it will do to their reputation?

I will repeat a quote from post #5082. In the mean time, we are all waiting for a scintilla of evidence.


“Suppose he's telling the truth, that fella?”

“He's telling the truth. The truth for him. He wasn't making it up.

“Was it the truth for us?”

“I don't know.”

— Grapes of Wrath

 

[Audiofire]

scintilla of evidence

So specify criteria

 

[Audiofire]

When they figured out the UFO technology, it went completely top-secret in black projects apparently. Interesting trace, which is not available to the public:
Oberth, Hermann. The electric spaceship. Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Ohio, Aerospace Technical Intelligence Center, 1960.

Of course, I am talking mostly to the inquisitive, not just the skeptics comfortable in their confirmation bias.

 

[GroeneLeeuw]

I suspect POTUS 45 & 47 might be an alien

 

[Taiga]

So specify criteria

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