All About UFO's

[Randy Bessinger]

Science to me has been based on an evolving understanding based on previous knowledge as new experiments prove or disprove prior theories. This does not fit into the premise that some seem to offer that all you need is some genuis mind regardless of the background understanding of the natural world (that continues to advance). I am not saying great minds have not made major advancements in our understanding, just that they usually make discoveries building on others prior work. Many times the “others” get little to no mention.

With regard to ”they are here”, what bothers me is the fact that we have spent a ton of money perfecting and developing things like the James Watt telescope to increase our knowledge of the universe and search for life beyond Earth. In the meantime, we are fascinated by stories of aliens already being here. Poor astrophysicists for spending all that time and work looking for life outward when if stories are true, they could of saved their money, time, and trouble (Sarcasm).

 

[GaryH]

 

[sonitus mirus]

Extraterrestrial life is not here, if they exist at all, and boy, do they know how to play hard to get! It's like planning a dinner date with someone who's not even sure they're in the same galaxy. We've sent out invites in the form of radio signals, rovers, and even Golden Records, but it's as if they looked at our Facebook profile and decided, 'Nah, Earthlings party too hard for our taste.'

There's been zero proof provided, but to be fair, we Earthlings have the determination of a telemarketer on a Monday morning. So much distance, so much time, and so many different measures of what may constitute intelligence. Who knew that deciphering alien intelligence would be more complex than understanding your grandma's new smartphone?

Maybe they've seen our movies and are just really concerned about being typecast as little green men with laser guns. Or perhaps, they're living among us and simply confused, stuck in traffic on the Los Angeles freeway, thinking, 'This can't be intelligent life...'

So, here's to the search for extraterrestrial beings, which has turned out to be the universe's most elaborate and mysterious game of hide-and-seek. May our cosmic neighbors RSVP soon, or at the very least, send a polite 'maybe' on the intergalactic Evite!

 

[EJ3]

Right now we are literally up to our asses in confusion, or is it alligators.

The answer of course is that we are up to our asses in both confusion & alligators.
Don't forget that someone thought that it was a great idea to import alligators to Colorado's Hot Springs & as a result: you can now pay to wrestle an alligator in Colorado.

 

[oceansize]

Well, some of them might have had time for that, but what proportion of society? Point is, the larger the proportion of your society that has access to good education and having their basic needs fulfilled means that they have more time & potential to think & study beyond their immediate horizons. As I said though, there needs to be some "stressors" as I feel/think the best ideas come when you're really pressed and you need to make some breakthrough's, and when you need to survive, but that's not quite the same as the majority of population being "hand to mouth" - I don't think you can have many breakthroughs when you just have a small elite that is not "hand to mouth".

Enough, obviously.

Civilizations arose in areas where climate and geography combined to make the growing of foods relatively straightforward. It doesn't take an alien super intelligence to work this out.

 

[pseudoid]

The answer of course is that we are up to our asses in both confusion & alligators allegations.
Don't forget that someone thought that it was a great idea to import alligators to Colorado's Hot Springs & as a result: you can now pay to wrestle an alligator in Colorado.

This is beginning to sound like that Roseanne Roseannadanna (Gilda Radner) skit, where she'd end-up saying "Never Mind!"

 

[Duke]

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick has responded to David Grusch's UAP congressional hearing testimony, as related in a recent online article:

"Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick posted a letter about the hearing to his personal LinkedIn page.

"Kirkpatrick wrote, in part, on Thursday: “I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO, many with not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks this would entail.”

"“They are truth-seekers, as am I,” Kirkpatrick said. “But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday’s hearing.”"

In my opinion, Dr. Kirkpatrick's acknowledgment of the "not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks [joining AARO] would entail" implies that similar "career risks" are in play for the men who came forward to testify before Congress, as well as for anyone else who comes forward.

Here is a link to the article, there's arguably some interesting stuff other than Kirkpatrick's response:

MSN

www.msn.com

Back in January of this year the US Navy released a number of "range fouler" reports, wherein some object interfered with testing or training range operations. The Tic-Tac incidents were included among the reports:

Tic Tac UAP Incident Included In Newly Released Range Incursion Reports

The recently released Navy 'range fouler' reports are heavily redacted, but still contain new details and insights.

www.thedrive.com

Something I would really like to see is AARO's analysis of the Tic-Tac incidents for which there is sensor data.

 

[Andysu]

here is tick tac tick tock alien lizard

 

[oceansize]

In my opinion, Dr. Kirkpatrick's acknowledgment of the "not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks [joining AARO] would entail" implies that similar "career risks" are in play for the men who came forward to testify before Congress, as well as for anyone else who comes forward.

Really? I'd have thought they're made for life as well paid guest speakers/authors/consultants on the UFO/paranormal/bigfoot circuit.

 

[Duke]

Really? I'd have thought they're made for life as well paid guest speakers/authors/consultants on the UFO/paranormal/bigfoot circuit.

I don't think Ryan Graves and David Fravor (the Navy pilots who testified before Congress) have any intention of changing careers, assuming that is even feasible.

The most controversial statements were those made by David Grusch (the "whistleblower"). Imo his credibility hinges on his being able to provide relevant information to members of Congress who have the proper security clearance in a secure setting. I may never be in a position to know whether or not he has made good on his claims, but presumably those members of Congress will be.

As far as UAP investigations go, the emphasis of all three (Graves, Fravor, and Grusch) was on the collection and analysis of sensor data, rather than reliance on eyewitness accounts. My understanding is that this is also the emphasis of AARO (the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office) and its director Sean Kirkpatrick.

 

[kemmler3D]

they're made for life as well paid guest speakers/authors/consultants on the UFO/paranormal/bigfoot circuit.

Yeah, they'll be feating on spam sandwiches and luxuriating in Motel 6 hot tubs for the rest of their days... lol

I'm not aware that delivering lectures on UFOs to small crowds of cranks pays that well. Giving an interview to the latest "history" channel farce might net you a few grand, one-off. Not much compared to what a skilled pilot actually makes.

 

[Duke]

In the video linked below a clinical and forensic psychologist analyses the body language of the three witnesses who testified at last week's Congressional UAP hearing. He does not analyze the content of what they are saying, but rather whether the body language of each of the three witnesses indicates truthfulness or deception.

(If you don't feel like watching the full 23 minutes, you can skip ahead to 21:19 and just watch his wrap-up.)

 

[AdrianusG]

Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick has responded to David Grusch's UAP congressional hearing testimony, as related in a recent online article:

"Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick posted a letter about the hearing to his personal LinkedIn page.

"Kirkpatrick wrote, in part, on Thursday: “I cannot let yesterday’s hearing pass without sharing how insulting it was to the officers of the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community who chose to join AARO, many with not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks this would entail.”

"“They are truth-seekers, as am I,” Kirkpatrick said. “But you certainly would not get that impression from yesterday’s hearing.”"

In my opinion, Dr. Kirkpatrick's acknowledgment of the "not unreasonable anxieties about the career risks [joining AARO] would entail" implies that similar "career risks" are in play for the men who came forward to testify before Congress, as well as for anyone else who comes forward.

Here is a link to the article, there's arguably some interesting stuff other than Kirkpatrick's response:

MSN

www.msn.com

Back in January of this year the US Navy released a number of "range fouler" reports, wherein some object interfered with testing or training range operations. The Tic-Tac incidents were included among the reports:

Tic Tac UAP Incident Included In Newly Released Range Incursion Reports

The recently released Navy 'range fouler' reports are heavily redacted, but still contain new details and insights.

www.thedrive.com

Something I would really like to see is AARO's analysis of the Tic-Tac incidents for which there is sensor data.

"Something I would really like to see is AARO's analysis of the Tic-Tac incidents for which there is sensor data."

Which you're unlikely to get any time soon, if they really investigate it at all.

This AARO organisation reeks more like project Blue Book 2.0 or is it 3.0? (an organisation which objective was nothing more than to confuse discredit and debunk everything related to Unidentified Flying Objects) instead of doing what they are actually paid for, which is researching the Phenomenon! anyways, they (AARO) cannot be reached by phone, they don't even have a website, and they have not actively reached out or talked to any witnesses, they were provided with data (true or false) yet didn't follow up on it.

And then writing a sorry ass letter on "how under-appreciated" they feel about the Congressional hearings, yeah duhh, that happens when you let other people do the work you should have done.
where were the representatives of AARO during the hearing, too busy, not interested?

Does anyone really think we will get any honesty from the same instances that have been keeping everything under wraps for so long.

 

[sonitus mirus]

While I acknowledge that these whistleblowers genuinely believe in the claims they are making, I find it difficult to consider their beliefs as legitimate due to the lack of supporting evidence. Up until now, no substantial evidence has been presented to validate their assertions, and it seems unlikely that any such evidence will come to light in the future, given its apparent non-existence.

 

[AdrianusG]

You mean the radar and other sensory data that were gathered of the incident(s) (to which more than just these 3 people reported!) and then confiscated and misteriously disappeared or probably still not disclosed to the people asking for it.

Or the many documents on the subject which were released under the freedom of information act which were and still are heavily redacted, mostly unreadable, it almost feels as if they got something to hide, and that's on them, not on the people who want honest answers.

let's see what comes to light after the closed hearings first, then judge! and not discredit people before any proper research has been done.

 

[sonitus mirus]

You mean the radar and other sensory data that were gathered of the incident(s) (to which more than just these 3 people reported!) and then confiscated and misteriously disappeared or probably still not disclosed to the people asking for it.

Or the many documents on the subject which were released under the freedom of information act which were and still are heavily redacted, mostly unreadable, it almost feels as if they got something to hide, and that's on them, not on the people who want honest answers.

let's see what comes to light after the closed hearings first, then judge! and not discredit people before any proper research has been done.

Yes, none of the evidence is objective or points toward intelligent extraterrestrial visitors operating highly advanced crafts of some kind. It seems asinine to me that anyone would assume this as a credible explanation.

 

[AdrianusG]

Aha, i assume that you saw all of those data yourself then?, i mean even before Congress!, well i guess it's all settled then, case closed.

 

[Godataloss]

I think it's likely all life on earth is of alien origin. As our ability to detect complex molecules in space and our understanding of our own DNA progresses, I think it likely we find some information supporting the panspermia theory. As we begin to manipulate the massively information-rich media of DNA, perhaps we will find a message from an alien civilization that's been lurking inside us for generations. It seems like a very efficient means of sending out a message to the universe. Rather than manipulating electromechanical spectrum at great cost of energy that requires not only an intelligent meat blob on the receiving end, but also requires overcoming the physical constraints of receiving the message (technology, timing, etc), why not send out seeds in the interstellar wind? Viruses and fungal spores can withstand the rigors of space and once they land on fertile ground, they are persistent in the biome just waiting for whatever sentient meat blob they've plugged into to advance enough to decode the message.

 

[mhardy6647]

I think it's likely all life on earth is of alien origin.

I mean -- that's fine (Sir F.H.C. Crick posited the notion of directed panspermia rather a long time ago) -- but it dodges the next question: So, where did that "life... of alien origin" come from?
Fun corollary question: How many genetic codes are there in the universe?

 

[Godataloss]

I mean -- that's fine (Sir F.H.C. Crick posited the notion of directed panspermia rather a long time ago) -- but it dodges the next question: So, where did that "life... of alien origin" come from?
Fun corollary question: How many genetic codes are there in the universe?

I noted the panspermia idea in my post. I'm not claiming it. I do think the idea of interstellar communication via dna/rna transfer is somewhat novel. Considering we know the mitochondrial revolution only happened once, it's possible there is only one genetic code despite the vastness of space. Our dna could be the lingua franca of the universe. I don't think that this necessarily means it happened on earth so the 'where' question is interesting but I'd wager almost impossible to deduce if we do find life elsewhere. It will be like trying to find covid patient zero in China from our labs in the USA. It very well may be unknowable.