All About UFO's

[PierreV]

Real question for anyone that is better at math than I am:

Suppose alien ships are really flying around earth with some kind of propulsion we know nothing about. Some kind of anti-gravity or warp drive. Would this not show up on gravitational wave detectors like LIGO?

Someone attempted a response. Assuming a warp bubble collapses "around earth" that would definitely not be pretty. That's the bad news.
The good news is that we should be able to detect them at galactic scale in the future. But there is some other bad news as well: we don't f****** know if the math of the various options even makes a modicum of sense.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2406.02466v2

 

[mhardy6647]

Would this not show up on gravitational wave detectors like LIGO?

or... something, right?

My working hypothesis is that those aliens (or whatever/whoever they might be) have cast their lots with the boutique audio cable manufacturers, tapping technologies, materials, and forces unknown to human science.

 

[PierreV]

For those interested in moon related strangeness, interesting episode with Ross Coulthart.

"... theoretical physicist Maaneli "Max" Derakhsani to discuss the possibility of artificial structures on the moon, citing anomalies in NASA's lunar photographs. Derakhsani suggests NASA's national security mandate may prevent public disclosure of these findings. Coulthart discusses Edgar Mitchell's alleged sighting of blue lights following Apollo 14, supported by NASA photographs showing anomalies in the lunar sky. Is this the extraterrestrial evidence needed for further investigation into lunar anomalies?"

It is not like those anomalies aren't studied.

Large sub-surface granite formation signals ancient volcanic activity on Moon's dark side

www.smu.edu

Oh, and the data is public and comes from _Chinese_ missions

Data for the study was obtained from public data released from two Chinese lunar orbiters, Chang’E-1 in 2010 and Chang’E-2 in 2012, carrying four-channel microwave radiometer instruments. The original Chang’E‐1 and Chang’E-2 MRM data can be downloaded from: http://moon.bao.ac.cn/index_en.jsp.

Now, as far as the potential "ancient alien bases" "alien crashes" are concerned, it is a bit inconsistent with the whole narrative.

On one hand, there would be a gigantic conspiracy involving contractors and dark government departments, covert ops to recover crashed UFOs etc... and, on the other hand, despite the fact that we, humans, do have the technology to go check on site we simply ignore alien megastructure, ancient mines or crashed ships on the Moon?

 

[mhardy6647]

Always bet on the massive, global conspiracy.
That's the ticket!

 

[Axo1989]

Steven Spielberg is about to enlighten us regarding UFOs.

I will watch it because it may be his last collaboration with John Williams, and because I never cease to be amazed by his ability to entertain. Willing suspension of critical faculties.

FTL would show up like a supernova on instruments. Starting and stopping.

Unless the Simulation has maintenance guys, like in the Truman Show.

That was a fun film!

Personally I'm more a fan of Weir than the overly sentimental Spielberg—though I did enjoy certain of his sci-fi efforts AI, Minority Report and War of the Worlds while I can take or leave some of the rest—but I may well watch Disclosure Day for the above reason and more (this thread, for another). I hope it's better than Close Encounters.

 

[Taiga]

A friend of mine who works at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory told me that the Chang’E-2 mission discovered a distinctive whitish round object just below the lunar surface that was unmistakably not a product of natural forces. The orb was riddled with pockmarks arranged in a symmetrical pattern save for a small gash intruding into the outer skin. Using a nano-coated positive lens array illuminated by a 532 nm diode-pumped laser, technologists identified 336 distinct dimples and strange cursive surface markings forming the word Titelist. The NASA astronaut corp has denied all accusations of goofing off during work hours.

 

[mhardy6647]

A friend of mine who works at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory told me that the Chang’E-2 mission discovered a distinctive whitish round object just below the lunar surface that was unmistakably not a product of natural forces. The orb was riddled with pockmarks arranged in a symmetrical pattern save for a small gash intruding into the outer skin. Using a nano-coated positive lens array illuminated by a 532 nm diode-pumped laser, technologists identified 336 distinct dimples and strange cursive surface markings forming the word Titelist. The NASA astronaut corp has denied all accusations of goofing off during work hours.Lunar golf is well documented.

Lunar golf is well documented, even by the mainstream media.

 

[Taiga]

Lunar golf is well documented, even by the mainstream media.

Yes, but not in the vicinity of Chang’E-2.

Someone or something put it there.
Everyone knows that US astronauts use Top Flite 1.

 

[sam_adams]

. . . strange cursive surface markings forming the word Titelist.

Lunar golf is well documented

Actual NASA footage from really low-res Moon TV:

 

[kemmler3D]

or... something, right?

My working hypothesis is that those aliens (or whatever/whoever they might be) have cast their lots with the boutique audio cable manufacturers, tapping technologies, materials, and forces unknown to human science.

Unobtanium, after all, is just the common name for doesn't-existium.

 

[kemmler3D]

Unless the Simulation has maintenance guys, like in the Truman Show.

It occurred to me that The Simulation would not need to be real-time or even respect time as we know it. "Now" has no special meaning in physics and certainly not outside a simulation. They would not even need to be higher-dimensional beings or anything, just able to cache the simulation. They could go back and change anything they wanted and we would never know, even asynchronously. Our memory would change along with whatever they changed.

Along those lines, alien ships could just be devs using noclip and getting sloppy about whether the sims see them or not. Yes, it breaks the physics rules in the simulation, but who cares?

If aliens are actually just incursions by the people who are running our simulation, I think that's bad news, even beyond "we live in a simulation". It means we don't even live in a GOOD simulation. If they let us see them and don't revert the simulation to correct that mistake, it means we aren't important enough to bother correcting mistakes. The outcome of this simulation is not a piece of important work. So maybe someone is just simulating this universe for a laugh. That would certainly explain some things, anyway.

 

[Mart68]

They could go back and change anything they wanted and we would never know, even asynchronously. Our memory would change along with whatever they changed.

Deja vu is a glitch in the matrix - happens when they change something. We're going to need guns. Lots of guns.

 

[Axo1989]

Deja vu is a glitch in the matrix - happens when they change something. We're going to need guns. Lots of guns.

Also a fun movie.

 

[terryforsythe]

Apparently Obama thinks aliens are real:

 

[Mart68]

Apparently Obama thinks aliens are real:

He seemed fairly unequivocal about that.

 

[voodooless]

Whoopty doo…two thirds of Americans think so as well. Most of them haven’t seem them either

 

[Mart68]

Whoopty doo…two thirds of Americans think so as well. Most of them haven’t seem then either

So what do we infer from his affirmative answer then? He didn't laugh, didn't prevaricate, just 'Yes.'

Seems to suggest that he's been briefed that they're real. Ofc there's reasons why the military might brief all new Presidents that there's a potential existential threat even if there isn't. Interesting, regardless.

 

[voodooless]

So what do we infer from his affirmative answer then? He didn't laugh, didn't prevaricate, just 'Yes.'

That’s what I would say.

Seems to suggest that he's been briefed that they're real.

Or he just wants to suggest that.

Interesting, regardless.

It’s one of those answers that can suggest a lot of thing, or nothing…

 

[terryforsythe]

He seemed fairly unequivocal about that.

Yes, he did.

 

[Axo1989]

So what do we infer from his affirmative answer then? He didn't laugh, didn't prevaricate, just 'yes’ …

Well, it was a ‘lightning round’ so I was expecting a yes/no. What were you expecting?

So of course he said: ‘uh they’re real and and uh but I haven’t seen ‘em mmm and and they’re not being held in, uh what is it—’ ‘Area 51?’ ‘ —uh Area 51, uh there’s no underground facility, unless there’s this enormous conspiracy and they they hid it from the president of the United States.’

And then his ‘first question’ was ‘umm where are the aliens?’

And you (and Terry apparently agrees) heard ‘just yes’. A word he didn’t actually utter.

Talk about biases colouring what we think we hear. And we do that here—talk about biases. I’ll put you both down as unreliable narrators.

Edit: para 4 corrected per Terry's criticism at post #362