All About UFO's

[mhardy6647]

They're trained to fly aircraft, not trained to identify things that defy our current understanding of the laws of physics.

Careful -- with that kind of talk... you'll have cable acolytes outside the ASR gates carrying torches and pitchforks.

 

[mhardy6647]

Oh... speaking of c (the speed of light in a vacuum), don't forget that mass increases as the speed of light is approached, becoming infinite at the speed of light.
There's a bit of a bother, thinking about that same good ol' physics that powers ASR.
Oh, and speaking of physics -- those things that suddenly move away at "speeds greater than Mach One". Do the observers hear the sonic booms?
Just... you know... academically curious.

 

[kemmler3D]

One thing that's certain based on the Grusch testimony: It's actually really easy to keep alien technology / artifacts "secret" if you happen to have some.

Here we have a guy who is about as credible as you could hope for, in terms of credentials, standing up in congress and basically saying "ALIENS ARE REAL, THEY'RE HERE, AND WE HAVE SOME IN THE BASEMENT!!!"

And the collective response is "yeah right, I'll believe it when I see it, wacko." And maybe rightly so.

But this does prove that keeping aliens "secret" is easy, because the broader public will not believe anything but hard, physical proof. Concealing hard, physical proof is absolutely trivial in comparison to keeping everyone who knows about said proof quiet.

If this stuff is true, information control and secrecy has failed many times over, but the consensus is still "aliens aren't real" because we haven't seen artifacts. Kinda remarkable when you think about it!

 

[Galliardist]

Careful -- with that kind of talk... you'll have cable acolytes outside the ASR gates carrying torches and pitchforks.

It's OK, they'll have to join the back of that particular queue.

 

[Galliardist]

One thing that's certain based on the Grusch testimony: It's actually really easy to keep alien technology / artifacts "secret" if you happen to have some.

Here we have a guy who is about as credible as you could hope for, in terms of credentials, standing up in congress and basically saying "ALIENS ARE REAL, THEY'RE HERE, AND WE HAVE SOME IN THE BASEMENT!!!"

And the collective response is "yeah right, I'll believe it when I see it, wacko." And maybe rightly so.

But this does prove that keeping aliens "secret" is easy, because the broader public will not believe anything but hard, physical proof. Concealing hard, physical proof is absolutely trivial in comparison to keeping everyone who knows about said proof quiet.

If this stuff is true, information control and secrecy has failed many times over, but the consensus is still "aliens aren't real" because we haven't seen artifacts. Kinda remarkable when you think about it!

If it existed in sufficient quantity, someone would have nicked a load and tried to sell it on the dark web by now... ore even ebay, if they were dumb enough.

 

[kemmler3D]

If it existed in sufficient quantity, someone would have nicked a load and tried to sell it on the dark web by now... ore even ebay, if they were dumb enough.

Uranium can virtually be found lying on the ground in some places, and yet the government keeps a reasonable grip on it. "sufficient quantity" is a tautology here... if there are just a handful downed UFOs on earth, it would be relatively easy to keep them under wraps.

We've kept regular-ass airplanes, that civilians work on, that nobody would doubt the existence of, secret for many years at a stretch.

Has anyone here seen the inside of (say) Al Pacino's safe deposit box? That's much less secure than wherever the UFOs would be kept, but the answer is still "no" and none of us could pull if off if we wanted to.

I don't really believe any of this stuff either... but I'm willing to believe that if there were ET gear on earth, it could be successfully kept from public view for a long time.

 

[Galliardist]

Uranium can virtually be found lying on the ground in some places, and yet the government keeps a reasonable grip on it. "sufficient quantity" is a tautology here... if there are just a handful downed UFOs on earth, it would be relatively easy to keep them under wraps.

We've kept regular-ass airplanes, that civilians work on, that nobody would doubt the existence of, secret for many years at a stretch.

Has anyone here seen the inside of (say) Al Pacino's safe deposit box? That's much less secure than wherever the UFOs would be kept, but the answer is still "no" and none of us could pull if off if we wanted to.

I don't really believe any of this stuff either... but I'm willing to believe that if there were ET gear on earth, it could be successfully kept from public view for a long time.

I very much doubt that these airplanes were in any way kept secret from other governments or even other airplane builders.

Several countries regarded as bad actors have got hold of lots of uranium. How?

And who told you about Al Pacino’s safe deposit box?

 

[voodooless]

Several countries regarded as bad actors have got hold of lots of uranium. How?

By picking it up from the ground. That is the easy part. The trouble is that only 0.72% of the stuff is the right isotope. You’ll have to separate it and purify.

 

[AdrianusG]

One thing that's certain based on the Grusch testimony: It's actually really easy to keep alien technology / artifacts "secret" if you happen to have some.

Here we have a guy who is about as credible as you could hope for, in terms of credentials, standing up in congress and basically saying "ALIENS ARE REAL, THEY'RE HERE, AND WE HAVE SOME IN THE BASEMENT!!!"

And the collective response is "yeah right, I'll believe it when I see it, wacko." And maybe rightly so.

But this does prove that keeping aliens "secret" is easy, because the broader public will not believe anything but hard, physical proof. Concealing hard, physical proof is absolutely trivial in comparison to keeping everyone who knows about said proof quiet.

If this stuff is true, information control and secrecy has failed many times over, but the consensus is still "aliens aren't real" because we haven't seen artifacts. Kinda remarkable when you think about it!

Don't forget the 2 ex pilots, who witnessed the "things" with their equipment and their own eyes, and don't forget one of the congressman who saw pictures taken by a pilot, pictures that he had to force access to, you know people who just (finally) want some decent answers to a decades old issue, but probably they are all just wacko's as well right?

This is one of the reasons they still get away with it, again, when there's nothing to it, drop the bloody secrecy and classification.

Behind the "national security is at risk " they can hide practically anything they like.

If they wish to hide that they have tech to detect those UFO's (tech adversaries might not yet have!) it probably is their right to do that ,no need to let Russia or China know what kind of high tech equipment you have, however there is absolutely no reason to keep hiding the existence of the "objects" themselves.

On top of that, if there were nothing to it, then why threaten whistle blowers or witnesses at all?, why stonewalling people of congress looking for answers? why not let them tell their "outrageuous" stories and let them hang themselves, what are they afraid of if it were truly all just BS?

 

[Sokel]

On top of that, if there were nothing to it, then why threaten whistle blowers or witnesses at all?, why stonewalling people of congress looking for answers? why not let them tell their "outrageuous" stories and let them hang themselves, what are they afraid of if it were truly all just BS?

If the agenda is to avoid other problems and create enemies denying,stonewalling,etc is a nice tactic to have something while having nothing.

 

[Galliardist]

Don't forget the 2 ex pilots, who witnessed the "things" with their equipment and their own eyes, and don't forget one of the congressman who saw pictures taken by a pilot, pictures that he had to force access to, you know people who just (finally) want some decent answers to a decades old issue, but probably they are all just wacko's as well right?

This is one of the reasons they still get away with it, again, when there's nothing to it, drop the bloody secrecy and classification.

Behind the "national security is at risk " they can hide practically anything they like.

If they wish to hide that they have tech to detect those UFO's (tech adversaries might not yet have!) it probably is their right to do that ,no need to let Russia or China know what kind of high tech equipment you have, however there is absolutely no reason to keep hiding the existence of the "objects" themselves.

On top of that, if there were nothing to it, then why threaten whistle blowers or witnesses at all?, why stonewalling people of congress looking for answers? why not let them tell their "outrageuous" stories and let them hang themselves, what are they afraid of if it were truly all just BS?

If I was in the position with responsibility in defence and I was faced with an unidentified phenomenon that may be incredibly dangerous in some way, I might be inclined to classify information around it because it is unidentified and for that reason alone.

I see no reason to jump from a place where something is classified to extraterrestrial beings, or at least, none that make any sense.

 

[JayGilb]

I've seen several of the armed forces videos where pilots are following UFOs and there is nothing being caught on radar and it always seems that the objects stay almost directly in the center of the pilot's view. These could be something as simple as a light reflection that will always follow wherever the pilot is directing their aircraft.

I've seen plenty of amateur videos that have the same effect as well as ghost videos/photos that are nothing more than light aberrations created by the lens.

 

[AdrianusG]

Well, it would or could make sense if us "Humans" don't have the ability to build something anywhere close to this stuff, we don't have the science to do it right now, let alone 50-60 years ago, when there were sightings of the same phenomena or objects already.

So who knows, perhaps they are ours after all, but that would mean this tech is kept secret, transformative technology which should have benefit all of mankind, not just a power hungry Military Industrial Complex and Oil giants.

50-60 years of no or almost no producing green house gasses, we could have done away with the use of natural gas and Oil for instance.

So IF it turns out to be our own tech, that's fine with me, but the crime of withholding it to benefit the few (Oil industry and the billionaires connected to it and so on ) would even be greater, even despicable in my view.

 

[Trell]

Is this the new speaker wire thread?

 

[mhardy6647]

Is this the new speaker wire thread?

Judging by the "physics we don't yet know about" subcurrent -- heck yeah!

In full disclosure: by mass action (so to speak), it's a pretty safe bet that, at the least, there's life out there besides that on this planet. As a biochemist, that's actually fascinating to me. As one of my professors, the redoubtable Saul Roseman, was wont to say: There's no such thing as theoretical biology. In other words, we cannot generalize our understanding of biology beyond the one 'system' that we know about.

It is probably a safe assumption that some of that exo-life is sentient (whatever that might mean, generically!) and capable of -- doing interesting stuff.

The same statistics probably makes "us" intersecting with "them" pretty darned unlikely.

Now, I ask you -- why would anyone want to distract folks with discussion of this stuff at high levels of government? I mean, it's not like there's anything else going on.
I think the current clamor about UAPs and alien technology is not signal, but rather is noise -- a diversionary tactic.
Time will tell.

 

[JayGilb]

Well, it would or could make sense if us "Humans" don't have the ability to build something anywhere close to this stuff, we don't have the science to do it right now, let alone 50-60 years ago, when there were sightings of the same phenomena or objects already.

So who knows, perhaps they are ours after all, but that would mean this tech is kept secret, transformative technology which should have benefit all of mankind, not just a power hungry Military Industrial Complex and Oil giants.

50-60 years of no or almost no producing green house gasses, we could have done away with the use of natural gas and Oil for instance.

So IF it turns out to be our own tech, that's fine with me, but the crime of withholding it to benefit the few (Oil industry and the billionaires connected to it and so on ) would even be greater, even despicable in my view.

I know of no current technology that can't be meticulously traced back to its origin. We stand on the shoulders of each previous generation.
If we did manage to acquire the extremely advanced tech of an alien species the odds are very, very low we could even begin to understand it.

 

[mhardy6647]

PS If all y'all've never read Arthur C. Clarkes first novel, Childhood's End -- I'd encourage you to read it.

 

[Trell]

PS If all y'all've never read Arthur C. Clarkes first novel, Childhood's End -- I'd encourage you to read it.

There's even a mini series based upon that book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood's_End_(miniseries)

 

[mhardy6647]

There's even a mini series based upon that book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood's_End_(miniseries)

I did not know that, thanks!
I always thought it'd make a great movie -- maybe (even) a better one than 2001.

 

[AdrianusG]

I did not know that, thanks!
I always thought it'd make a great movie -- maybe (even) a better one than 2001.

I read it, and it's indeed a great book.