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Even if we totally discount it, FTL travel isn't an essential for them to get from there to here.
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Of course that depends to a large degree as to what "they" are, which is debated, the possibilities listed here various places. They could all be wrong.
I vacillate between thinking there are some among the highly compartmentalized orgs that know what they are, to thinking no one knows what they are. Currently leaning toward the former again.
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I guess if they come from close enough by, or if they live a really long time, or if they take the monarch butterfly approach to travel.
Monarchs travel thousands of miles (kazillions of kilometers
) in their migration -- but it's a multi-generational undertaking.
Fresh from its chrysalis (on our backyard birdbath), a brand-new monarch joins the team. August 2018
PS Speaking of such things... all y'all in this thread might enjoy the interesting 1959 "space opera" Aniara, by Karl-Birger Blomdahl (Erik Lindegren, librettist).
Aniara (opera) - Wikipedia
FWIW: The sum total of my experience with Aniara comes from this album (LP, not tape), cashing in on 2001: A Space Odyssey.
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They could be machines, or bio-mechanical. Possibly they would not perceive time at all, or perceive it very differently to us.
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Generational travel is one possible explanation, and or extremely long lived species, is one possible answer, I doubt it bigly personally. We literally went from The Wright brothers' invention the Wright Flyer, in 1903 to Apollo 11 moon landing in 1969, a span of 66 years. What would a species with 100k years, a million years, or 10 million years ahead of us come up with? That's blink of an eye time frames cosmically speaking. Fun context, Wilbur Wright said:I guess if they come from close enough by, or if they live a really long time, or if they take the monarch butterfly approach to travel.
Monarchs travel thousands of miles (kazillions of kilometers
"I confess that in 1901, I said to my brother Orville that man would not fly for 50 years."
He was wrong obviously.
As for FTL, again, we know it's theoretically possible, does not break currently understood laws of physics (which has massive holes in that understanding...) and yes, taken seriously by those studying the topic for a living. For example, paper from NASA via Dr. Harold “Sonny” White discussing "Warp Field Mechanics 101"
Personally, I do not think what ever "they" are they get here via Warp drives, but that's above my pay grade to know. Fact is, again, mainstream science is taking the topic very seriously and attempting to detect Warp drive signatures. Me, will not hold my breath they will detect anything, but credit to them for the interest and attempt. Via PBS Space Time channel, as mainstream as it gets:
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As far as warp bubbles are concerned, there is a small problem, clearly stated in the paper you provide
While it would appear that the model hasnearly all the desirable mathematical characteristics of a true interstellar space drive, the metric has oneless appealing characteristic – it violates all three energy conditions (strong, weak, and dominant [9])because of the need for negative energy density.
just a minor issue, I am sure.
As far a warp bubble collapses are concerned, we aren't actively looking for them. We are constantly collecting gravitational wave data regardless. Considering what signature such a warp bubble collapse could have is a mere thought exercise that certainly can't hurt. In fact, if anything, their non-detection so far lowers the probability that they are actually happening in our galaxy.
Even amateurs can follow up on the constant stream of GW alerts https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/GWPhoneAlerts
The goal being to attempt detecting very brief optical transients linked to the unresolved GW data (among many other types of transients).
I have astro-colibri on my phone https://astro-colibri.science/ https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.06616
While it would appear that the model hasnearly all the desirable mathematical characteristics of a true interstellar space drive, the metric has oneless appealing characteristic – it violates all three energy conditions (strong, weak, and dominant [9])because of the need for negative energy density.
just a minor issue, I am sure.
As far a warp bubble collapses are concerned, we aren't actively looking for them. We are constantly collecting gravitational wave data regardless. Considering what signature such a warp bubble collapse could have is a mere thought exercise that certainly can't hurt. In fact, if anything, their non-detection so far lowers the probability that they are actually happening in our galaxy.
Even amateurs can follow up on the constant stream of GW alerts https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/GWPhoneAlerts
The goal being to attempt detecting very brief optical transients linked to the unresolved GW data (among many other types of transients).
I have astro-colibri on my phone https://astro-colibri.science/ https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.06616
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Obviously the challenges to such a tech are huge and may never be overcome. I can't say, nor can anyone else. Human ingenuity has, traditionally, been most impressive. Recent paper for example posits a way that the requirement for negative/exotic energy is removed via Lentz, and more recently, Fuchs et al:
Classical and Quantum Gravity
Paper
Constant velocity physical warp drive solution
Jared Fuchs, Christopher Helmerich, Alexey Bobrick, Luke Sellers, Brandon Melcher and Gianni MartireAnd on it goes, step by step progress...
Point stands, and is accurate:
We went from Wright Brothers to walking on another body in our solar system in the span of 66 years, now seriously discussing, using existing known science, the possibility of FTL in less time then that. What does a species that has a million years on us develop? I doubt we could even comprehend it. Or as the man said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Specific to FTL, it is possible, and perhaps probable given time and new science and physics (which we are on the precipice of), currently being investigated. Or, we wipe ourselves out before then and another dead planet in the galaxy. I give is a 50/50 on that one in the next 300-500 years give or take.
I will look into adding one of those apps, thanx.
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terryforsythe
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We understand and can explain results from testing of cables and capacitors, and their performance can be explained using well understood and well tested physical concepts. If those results are not believed in audio, blind testing usually will confirm the results.
In contrast, we don't understand entanglement and non-locality. At best we have the ER=EPR conjecture, which relies on Einstein-Rosen bridges (a.k.a. wormholes) as the means of entanglement. IF wormholes do indeed exist, is it out of the realm of possibility that they can be used in ways that today we cannot predict?
We don't understand dark matter, assuming it really exists. Dark matter became a prevalent hypothesis when the Theory of Relativity failed to adequately describe the motions of galaxies based on matter we can detect. But, dark matter has never been detected and nobody knows what it is. Some phycisists beleive the dark matter hypothesis is wrong, and think the Theory of Relativity is incomplete when it comes to explaining galactic motions. As noted, we already know it is incomplete at the quantum scale.
We don't understand dark energy. As best as I can tell, the hypothesis is that dark energy drives the expansion of space, and the expansion of space itself creates more dark energy. To me, this seems to violate the law of conservation of energy unless there is an underlying energy source we cannot detect. Along that note, where did all of the energy come from to initiate the big bang? Is it out of the realm of possibility that energy leaks into our universe from another dimension we don't perceive and cannot yet detect? If so, could that dimension be used as a shortcut in our universe?
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And you were doing so well.
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The above will no doubt sound very esoteric and exotic, but under our noses, things we deal with every second of our lives, such as time and gravity, remain a mystery and are areas of intensive research. The universe (apparently) made mostly of matter we know little about, run on an energy source know literally nothing about, and our two most successful theories, GR and QM, are incompatible with each other (see gravity mystery!) and yet, people are still arrogant about what is possible or probable? You'd think with all that, there would be more humility out there, but humans are very poor at it. Sure, lets compare all that to what is known about cables in audio. Oy vey.
Big picture and reality: Newtonian physics was not wrong, only incomplete, hence GR. Einstein physics, is not wrong, only incomplete. We are now bumping up hard as to how far spacetime explains reality itself, and yet again, our theories and maths via QM exceed our technology to test them to see if they are correct, which theories are correct, etc. We are in need of new physics and technologies that can test them that normally follows. All the major predictions made by GR have been tested and confirmed, which took us 100 years ish?
Will we ever be able to test for additional dimensions as string theory predicts? Would a civilization with a million years on us figure that out and utilize it to travel huge distances in classic spacetime while technically traveling no distances at all?
The (human) mind reels...
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It’s the same problem I have with a lot of these comments. You’re taking some known science, some hypotheticals and then making some completely unconnected assumptions about something else.
It’s like saying If we did prove multiple dimensions existed, then that means we would then suddenly know how to travel faster than the speed of light. It’s too simplistic a view of science and how stuff works.
Some here seem to understand actual science well and have clearly studied and or worked in a scientific role. Others are well versed in YouTube science. They are not the same thing.
It’s like saying If we did prove multiple dimensions existed, then that means we would then suddenly know how to travel faster than the speed of light. It’s too simplistic a view of science and how stuff works.
Some here seem to understand actual science well and have clearly studied and or worked in a scientific role. Others are well versed in YouTube science. They are not the same thing.
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Well, that one is sub-luminal... It is totally theoretical, probably a nice exercise (who am I to criticize?) but they bypass the "small issue" above by going subluminal.
(i) The asymptotically flat spacetime should have a positive ADM mass.
(ii) Generally, much larger positive energy density than both pressure and momentumflux in the non-vacuum warp bubble, as measured by Eulerian observers.
(iii) Subluminal speeds
And, generally speaking, we already have the technology to reach significant subluminal speeds through extended acceleration, including with light sails, but the major sticking point is the energy requirement... Even if that warp bubble tech materializes, it could very well be that it is not energy efficient vs nuclear powered constant acceleration for example. Or that it severely fucks up its local environment (think about gravitational waves of the warp bubble collapse being at the edge of our current detection ability around M31 - what would be the impact at close range.
Also let's not forget that, mathematically, a ton of things should work, but actually don't work at all in nature. Insert arrow of time (whatever time is)/entropy/anti-gravity etc...
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Paul Hellyer, fmr. Canadian Defense Minister discusses UFO/UAP topics from a restored interview. Another high level highly credible person who does not mince words as to what he knew about the topic. So, like the others who say similar things, he's either crazy, lying, or telling the truth (as he knows it) and accurate:
"Seventeen years ago, Canada's former defense minister already knew about the secret UAP recovery program in the United States.In April 2008, Robert Fleischer traveled to an important conference in the United States at the invitation of Frederik Uldall (then head of Exopolitics Denmark). While there, both had the opportunity to interview former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer. We have never published this conversation before – firstly because the recordings were blurry and the sound quality was poor. Secondly, what Hellyer said at the time seemed too daring for the audience in Germany, where even in 2025 there is still debate about whether UAP even exist. We have now restored the video with AI. The interview with Paul Hellyer is a document of contemporary history because it shows that: Even back then, it was clear to informed circles that the US was running a secret program to reverse engineer UFO technology, that Congress was not informed about this, and that the public should at least be told that we are not alone."
I’m too spooked to watch the video. The guy on the left with the red pupils and android smile doesn’t appear human.
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Search for the video code (mvsU4p0Gsas) on the forum, to avoid redundancy.
I don't think boldface (or extra line-spacing) adds veracity to your post (nice try perhaps). But I can see more of your habitual credentials fallacy in play. As to your proposition, yes the interviewer is crazy/lying, to promote his infotainment channel obviously (we can directly compare to the great subjective audio story-tellers in this case) and the interviewee is indulging us with his avuncular confabulation.
A minute or so of the video was enough, of course, but we know he made these claims two decades ago at that conference. Elaborating in an interview with Russia Today in 2014, he apparently said four species of aliens have visited Earth for thousands of years, most from other solar systems, and that aliens are living on Venus, Mars and one of Saturn's moons.
Your use of "highly credible" and mine would differ, I'd say.
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terryforsythe
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But none of them understand non-locality, dark matter, dark energy, how to reconcile GR with Quantum Mechanics, etc., etc. The world's best scientists don't understand those things. On the other hand, the number of highly credentialed people, including some scientists (e.g., Dr. Garry Nolen el al.) telling us the phenomena is real continues to grow. The only people I have seen outright dismiss it as all nonsense are people who have not deeply studied the topic, or have not done so for a very long time.
I remain unconvinced that we are being visited by NHI; I have not seen evidence strong enough to convince me. I have my hypothesis, which I have shared in this thread, as to how so many highly credentialed people may have been duped by psychological operations used to cover advanced weapons systems, but that is just a hypothesis that remains far from being proven. Until stronger evidence comes out either way, I am willing to admit that I don't know enough about the matter to opine as to what is the actual truth.
Nonethless, I find the topic fascinating, especially Congress's current involvement with the topic. Given the length of this thread, it seems that a lot of other people also find the topic intriguing, or there are a lot of trolls in this forum. Maybe it is a little of both.
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Damn: credentials fallacy, unrepresentative sample and confirmation bias.
Wrong direction: your trolling is intriguing.
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Another thing that is in common with 'subjective audio' reports.
All based on a belief that there is something 'we' don't know yet.
In both cases (UAP and 'magic in audio') there will be no 'hard evidence' but lots of theories and speculation.
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