All About UFO's

[Axo1989]

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Then there's this nonsense from the Daily Fail which has more "alien" mummies than you can shake a stick at:

Hints at origins of 'alien' mummies revealed by genetic testing

Theories range from extraterrestrial origins to an undiscovered human species, though skeptics call it a hoax. The bizarre discovery continues to spark fascination and controversy.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And you're still wrong and I'm done responding to you about it.

Congrats Sam, looks like you’ve successfully completed the level. With style, I might add.

 

[Dr Morbius]

If you realize what immense distances are involved and even how far it is just to the nearest star system you come to the conclusion there are no aliens on Earth. Either natural anomalies or faked/made up silliness like the Piltdown Man.

 

[Taiga]

One can hope.
I don't have high expectations though.

I don’t have high expectations that they have anything of value to release.

It is difficult to imagine that the US along with other governments would have been able to prevent leaks on such a topic if they actually had relevant knowledge. Meanwhile the US is allocating $$$ to send a human back to the Moon because there is so much more for the government to learn from that barren land of dust and rocks that hovers at an average distance of 1.28 light-seconds from Earth.

 

[Mart68]

It is difficult to imagine that the US along with other governments would have been able to prevent leaks on such a topic if they actually had relevant knowledge.

You can argue there have been lots of leaks, such as the USN footage. Verification is a different matter.

Also WW2 is a good example of how projects involving thousands of people were successfully kept secret.

In the case of the work done to crack German cyphers the secret was maintained until the 1970s when it was voluntarily released. WW2 history texts had to be substantially revised.

 

[terryforsythe]

If you realize what immense distances are involved and even how far it is just to the nearest star system you come to the conclusion there are no aliens on Earth.

I would say a compelling "assumption" rather than "conclusion". There still is much about nature we do not understand. Although the Theory of Relativity has made numerous verified predictions, it is still a theory and not a law of nature. Indeed, the Theory of Relativity is incompatible with Quantum Mechanics. Once we have a theory that adequately explains our observations from quantum to cosmic scales, we will have better understanding as to what may be possible. But, we are far from that goal. The deeper we look into these subjects, the more questions arise.

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

Also WW2 is a good example of how projects involving thousands of people were successfully kept secret.

I wonder which secrets the Germans and the Russians and the Americans and the Japanese and the Angolans and the British and the Peruvians and the South Africans all got together to keep secret

 

[Mart68]

I wonder which secrets the Germans and the Russians and the Americans and the Japanese and the Angolans and the British and the Peruvians and the South Africans all got together to keep secret

Not sure what your point is?

We had the claim that governments can't keep secrets when there is hard evidence that they can.

We had the claim that there have been no leaks regarding the UAP phenomena when there have.

This is not meant in defence of 'aliens are amongst us' beliefs but to point out that those two claims are not substantiated.

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

Not sure what your point is?

We had the claim that governments can't keep secrets when there is hard evidence that they can.

We had the claim that there have been no leaks regarding the UAP phenomena when there have.

This is not meant in defence of 'aliens are amongst us' beliefs but to point out that those two claims are not substantiated.

that the British government could keep a secret is vastly different from basically every government in the world keeping the same secret simultaneously, concurrently and at the same time
That's me point

 

[Mart68]

that the British government could keep a secret is vastly different from basically every government in the world keeping the same secret.
That's me point

Okay well I agree with that. Of course with this specific subject we don't know what the secret is or even if there is a secret. If there is then I wouldn't assume all goverments know about it and are hiding it collectively. I think it's safe to assume any evidence uncovered by one would not automatically be shared with the others.

Also if there is any genuine weirdness going on it may be that the governments don't know what the cause is either. We know for a fact the U.S government has spent money investigating it. Most other countries don't have the money to spend on such things - sure some would argue the U.S doesn't either

 

[Sir Sanders Zingmore]

Okay well I agree with that. Of course with this specific subject we don't know what the secret is or even if there is a secret. If there is then I wouldn't assume all goverments know about it and are hiding it collectively. I think it's safe to assume any evidence uncovered by one would not automatically be shared with the others.

Also if there is any genuine weirdness going on it may be that the governments don't know what the cause is either. We know for a fact the U.S government has spent money investigating it. Most other countries don't have the money to spend on such things - sure some would argue the U.S doesn't either

If the secret is that we've been visited by little green men then I think it's safe to assume that there would be evidence pretty much everywhere in the world that would need to be simultaneously hidden by pretty much every country in the world.

If the secret is that people in certain countries believe all sorts of batshit crazy stuff then I guess well... that's not secret

 

[Mart68]

If the secret is that we've been visited by little green men then I think it's safe to assume that there would be evidence pretty much everywhere in the world that would need to be simultaneously hidden by pretty much every country in the world.

No I don't think that's safe to assume. Once we're into hypotheticals you can come up with multiple possible scenarios which don't require a global concerted cover-up.

I mean what is the threshold of proof in this? What evidence would it take for the healthy sceptic to be convinced that we've been visited?

A lot.

Covering up isn't really that necessary when the thing you're covering up is so outlandish hardly anyone will think it's true even if it is.

 

[solderdude]

What evidence would it take for the healthy sceptic to be convinced that we've been visited?

Just one clear undeniable proof of an alien craft landing/crashing somewhere in a densely populated area with lots of independent (news) coverage ?
Just 1 ... could be the answer.

That said ... there are still people denying what is happening in certain places on earth so some might not be convinced even when such an event takes place.

 

[Mart68]

Just one clear undeniable proof of an alien craft landing/crashing somewhere in a densely populated area with lots of independent (news) coverage ?
Just 1 ... could be the answer.

Possibly enough, but I doubt it. Crash could be anything, experimental vehicle.

Any news footage could be faked, eyewitnesses colluding, deluded, mistaken. If we take the rule that 'Any other explanation is more likely than 'It's aliens'', which is not an unreasonable position, many people will not accept it until they are enslaved in the sugar mines.

 

[solderdude]

Possibly enough, but I doubt it. Crash could be anything, experimental vehicle.

Any news footage could be faked, eyewitnesses colluding, deluded, mistaken. If we take the rule that 'Any other explanation is more likely than 'It's aliens'', which is not an unreasonable position, many people will not accept it until they are enslaved in the sugar mines.

Yet.. when it is clear and undeniable then.... it is... but still might not be for a lot of people.

Another thing that is in common with audio...

 

[Petrushka]

I find it implausible that aliens would single out one country and given their military special technology.

Unless they were doing mischief.

 

[Mart68]

I find it implausible that aliens would single out one country and given their military special technology.

Unless they were doing mischief.

Eisenhower didn't really go to the dentist that day, he was at Wright-Patterson having a sit-down with the aliens.

He got some tech, they got free reign to abduct and probe.

Or so the story goes.

 

[solderdude]

I find it implausible that aliens would single out one country and given their military special technology.

Unless they were doing mischief.

Mischief is happening everywhere but they seem to take a particular interest in the US and UK.

 

[Chester]

Eisenhower didn't really go to the dentist that day, he was at Wright-Patterson having a sit-down with the aliens.

He got some tech, they got free reign to abduct and probe.

Or so the story goes.

They don’t need to make a deal if they have the technology to get here. Probe away.

 

[Chester]

Mischief is happening everywhere but they seem to take a particular interest in the US and UK.

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They have good taste

 

[mhardy6647]

There still is much about nature we do not understand.

... and, again, and not (!) facetiously* - the implications of this for the audiophile community and their exotic cables and boutique capacitors is staggering.

Help me understand why the UFO believers can suspend disbelief when it comes to (e.g.) interstellar travel, but not (again, e.g.) signal propagation.
Are the odds really, truly so vastly different for undiscovered laws of nature around, say, faster-than-light travel vs. signal propagation?
Perhaps one could argue that the current state of understanding of the latter is adequate to engineer everything we want to build, but that was true of Newtonian mechanics, too -- until it wasn't.

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* It'd be interesting to hear the rationale.